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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:55 am

    LMFS wrote:
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    If you're going to blame all the world's intrigues and ills on a political current that's exclusive to an ethnic group accounting for less than 0.2% of the world's population; then yes I'd argue, that you have an anti-semitism problem.

    You could start by understanding that most Zionist are not even Semites. Then, go and take a look at the proportion of "Jews" (observe that I have NOTHING against Judaism, nothing at all) among the elites, for instance  in the US media... look if they are a 0.2% or rather orders of magnitude above that. Of course they are not the only ones at the very top, but they have a good share of the top spot, no doubt about it. Just check man, the world is full of easily available facts that prove beyond doubt that Zionism was and is extremely powerful, for the reasons explained in the other posts.

    If you are fooled into self-censorship by completely absurd and debunked claims like "anti-semitism" then you are just carrying the water for an elite that is not a legit representation of Jews (rather probably their worst enemy ever) and that is just another predatory class built, as it is the norm, upon some supposed racial / religion superiority or any other self serving BS.

    Heeereeeeee we go!
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    Post  LMFS Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:55 am

    flamming_python wrote:Heeereeeeee we go!

    Yes there I go. Now let me make an easy question that maybe you can answer:

    Does hating Nazis mean you hate Germans?
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:15 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Heeereeeeee we go!

    Yes there I go. Now let me make an easy question that maybe you can answer:

    Does hating Nazis mean you hate Germans?

    The ol' argumentum ad hitlerum

    For your counterpoint to be valid though I'd have to accept what I claim to be an anti-semitic premise in the first place (or at least a daft one); namely that the zios control a vast militaristic empire sowing chaos and destruction across the world.

    If I did then yes, comparing them to the Nazis would be apt.

    But I don't see any real evidence of that. It's just a political movement across an ethnic group accounting for 0.2% of the world's population that has leveraged influence first in the British Empire and then after that in Washington to get up to a little bit of the good ol' ethnic cleansing and colonization to carve out a new nation state; but on a pretty minor scale and scope all things considered. You know when compared to what took place to create something like the United States of America to begin with not to mention a hundred nations before and since.

    And yes there are many prominent zionists and Israel supporters in Washington, and yes many Jews among the American elite with a variety of agendas, but it's a small cog in the wheels of empire when all is said and done. Obama was pretty close to dumping Israel altogether or at least reducing its level of privilege in return for the Arabs', Erdogan's Muslim Brotherhood favour and the prospect of a deal with Iran. Trump reversed that policy but we may see a return to it again under Biden, who's to say.
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    Post  par far Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:06 am

    "Victoria ‘F**k the EU’ Nuland to make a comeback in Biden’s cabinet – media"


    https://www.rt.com/usa/511687-nuland-tapped-biden-administration/


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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:16 am

    par far wrote:"Victoria ‘F**k the EU’ Nuland to make a comeback in Biden’s cabinet – media"


    https://www.rt.com/usa/511687-nuland-tapped-biden-administration/



    Bidet represents the pure essence of western rot.   All the Trump critics are going to have to eat crow once this clown starts
    his attempt at a new drang nach osten.  

    Trump won the 2020 election.   Fraud does not count as due process.   And aside from cheesy BS about Trump "embarrassing"
    himself of Twitter, all the frothing at the mouth deranged hate for him is not based on any reality.   All sorts of moronic lemmings
    (idiot^2) voted for the rotten meat puppet Bidet as if he is some sort of better choice.   He is not even a real leftist you stupid^2
    f*cks.

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    Post  par far Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:46 pm

    William Burns has been named a nominee for the director of CIA, William Burns is a anti Russian asshole.
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    Post  Hole Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:58 am

    The guy is not the brightest light so to say. Very Happy
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:01 am

    par far wrote:William Burns has been named a nominee for the director of CIA, William Burns is a anti Russian asshole.

    Which one wasn't?

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:21 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:William Burns has been named a nominee for the director of CIA, William Burns is a anti Russian asshole.

    Which one wasn't?

    Yeap.

    Pompeo was anti Russian, last guy was, so was last guy before that. So on so forth.

    Oh well.

    If he is a real moron, then hey, all good for Russia.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:00 pm

    It is the ones that pretend to be your friend that do the real damage... like Boris Yeltsens best friend Bill Clinton... so many forget how quickly the Clintons went from loving the money they could make in Russia to hating Putin... possibly something to do with Putin turning off the free money taps... no wonder they are so pissed.

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    Post  calripson Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:41 am

    GarryB wrote:It is the ones that pretend to be your friend that do the real damage... like Boris Yeltsens best friend Bill Clinton... so many forget how quickly the Clintons went from loving the money they could make in Russia to hating Putin... possibly something to do with Putin turning off the free money taps... no wonder they are so pissed.

    I forget who the senior level Clinton cabinet official was who openly bragged of making "Yeltsin eat shit". With friends like those...

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:51 pm

    Future head of the CIA: "Russia became strong again much earlier than we expected"

    https://yandex.ru/turbo/kp.ru/s/daily/27227.5/4353099/?promo=navbar&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

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    Post  LMFS Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:56 pm

    Kiko wrote:Future head of the CIA: "Russia became strong again much earlier than we expected"

    https://yandex.ru/turbo/kp.ru/s/daily/27227.5/4353099/?promo=navbar&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    For them to say this while asking Russians to vote Navalny instead of Putin does not make much sense does it? respekt

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:30 pm

    What a surprise, hubris filled western windbags underestimated Russia. Underestimation and denigration of Russia is a congenital
    pathology of the west.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:46 am

    Kiko wrote:Future head of the CIA: "Russia became strong again much earlier than we expected"

    https://yandex.ru/turbo/kp.ru/s/daily/27227.5/4353099/?promo=navbar&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    Here it is, full on conflict with Russia to legitimize the new American Regime.

    Belarus is gonna be lit on fire.
    Expect stupid crap to go down in Syria and Iran.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:10 am

    This guy is of course smart. But so are many of them who get the position. He of course knows Russia well hence why he is head of CIA. He will obviously have contacts within Russia itself.

    There is an opportunity here. He may very well be someone who may listen as well. And also, it gives Russia's counter intelligence agency an opportunity to find out who their contacts are.

    There will be conflict but it won't be hot between the two. CIA director is one thing. He isn't head of foreign policy. He will be used to gain Intel on Russia.

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    Post  mnztr Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:34 pm

    Don't assume Biden has a free hand. Who knows what dirt Russia has on what went on in the Ukraine. Russia still has a lot of deep connections with Kiev even if not with the current regime. They have eyes everywhere.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:18 pm

    mnztr wrote:Don't assume Biden has a free hand. Who knows what dirt Russia has on what went on in the Ukraine. Russia still has a lot of deep connections with Kiev even if not with the current regime. They have eyes everywhere.

    Such kompromat is useless. NATzO lemmings are totally under the thrall of the fake stream media. Recall the total disregard for
    the radar evidence provided by Russia of Ukr jets near MH-17. NATzO lemmings live in a filtered bubble of delusion they think
    is reality.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:17 am

    Depends on who you give it to. If you give it Donnies supporters it could be a powder keg. After all the stuff they leaked about the DNC gave donnie the election.
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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:10 am

    Ray McGovern was on a podcast recently and he said that Bill Burns was as good as we could ask for , for US/Russia relations.

    Remember. Mike "Lets kill Russians" Morell was in the running for the post.

    Here's the interview. Edit: it was actually this interview where he talked about Burns. About an hour in

    https://youtu.be/esreqIyQGI4



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    Post  mnztr Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:28 am

    Backman wrote:Ray McGovern was on a podcast recently and he said that Bill Burns was as good as we could ask for , for US/Russia relations.

    Remember. Mike "Lets kill Russians" Morell was in the running for the post.  

    He may be a good choice for US/Russia relations. He has a lot of backchannel contacts in Russia and in global democracy, so he can cross check any facts for accuracy and find out who is lying to him.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:01 am

    mnztr wrote:
    Backman wrote:Ray McGovern was on a podcast recently and he said that Bill Burns was as good as we could ask for , for US/Russia relations.

    Remember. Mike "Lets kill Russians" Morell was in the running for the post.  

    He may be a  good choice for US/Russia relations. He has a lot of backchannel contacts in Russia and in global democracy, so he can cross check any facts for accuracy and find out who is lying to him.

    Don't get your hopes up, he gets put in and Ray McGovern will have a hard time explaining his (largely predictable) actions. He will 'toe the line' like everyone else put in to that position.

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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:52 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    Backman wrote:Ray

    Remember. Mike "Lets kill Russians" Morell was in the running for the post.  

    He him.

    Don't get your hopes up, he gets put in and Ray McGovern will have a hard time explaining his (largely predictable) actions. He will 'toe the line' like everyone else put in to that position.

    He will probably get Flynn'd in the first week.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:50 pm

    Russia should worry if relations with the US get better....

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia should worry if relations with the US get better....

    No need to worry Garry, no chance that's gonna happen.

    Maybe START gets reaffirmed, but that's about it.

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