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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:41 am

    They're trying to to have a captive market on arms sales...

    Trump's strategy is basicaly to use gangster methods internationally to gain lop sided economic benefits for the US...it worked for him personally in NY, back when he was making his money so he's doing the same thing on a global scale
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:20 pm

    MOSCOW, June 4. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the law on countermeasures against unfriendly actions of the United States and other foreign countries. The document passed by the State Duma on May 22 and approved by the Federation Council on May 30 was posted on the official Internet portal of legal information.

    More:
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:56 pm

    Coming out of the door after their 2 hour session with only translators with them. I'd say they looked as if they had had an exhaustive session.


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    Post  andalusia on Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:54 pm

    I don't think this has been posted yet but John McCain a longtime enemy of Russia died on Saturday at age 81. Russia did not shed any tears.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/burning-hell-russian-press-sheds-few-tears-mccain-114218105.html
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:52 pm

    You would think someone who was a prisoner of war would hate war and try anything possible to avoid war... but he was a hard core war bitch... I bet if you look into his finances he would be fairly rich... now I don't expect Senators earn that much... with all those lobby groups why would you need to pay them a lot...
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    Post  andalusia on Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:53 am

    GarryB wrote:You would think someone who was a prisoner of war would hate war and try anything possible to avoid war... but he was a hard core war bitch... I bet if you look into his finances he would be fairly rich... now I don't expect Senators earn that much... with all those lobby groups why would you need to pay them a lot...

    Americans don't care Garry. He was a good American that fought for our freedom in Vietnam. Americans strongly revere the military religiously.
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    Post  andalusia on Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:03 am

    GarryB wrote:You would think someone who was a prisoner of war would hate war and try anything possible to avoid war... but he was a hard core war bitch... I bet if you look into his finances he would be fairly rich... now I don't expect Senators earn that much... with all those lobby groups why would you need to pay them a lot...

    Hey Garry, these are two good articles that you should read if you didn't know about him especially the second one where he did all he could to suppress the fact that the US left POWs in Vietnam.

    https://ghionjournal.com/no-hero-mccain/

    https://www.adamtownsend.me/john-mccain-mythology/
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:33 am

    Americans don't care Garry. He was a good American that fought for our freedom in Vietnam. Americans strongly revere the military religiously.

    He was a good American... do Americans even acknowledge there is any other kind?

    Of course if he had not been so brave and America had instead lost the war in Vietnam... America would now have a commander in chief controlled by the Kremlin... Oh Oh!!

    What a Face What a Face What a Face

    The Vietnam war was about the end of colonialism... the French occupied and exploited Indo China as they called it right up until WWII, when they ran away and left the country to be occupied by Japan. Then when WWII ended they went back in and took control over everything again.

    Some Vietnamese who didn't want to be the victims of colonial oppression asked the US for help in fighting off the French and the US rejected them... does it sound familiar to an American... someone wanting to fight the British in their own country and getting some help from the French... but the US said no, and so they asked the Soviets for help getting rid of colonial oppression and the US went in there to replace the French as colonial overlords and ended up leaving... like the French.

    Instead of saving the world from communism, America was actually promoting colonial oppression... if they had lived up to their values and helped the Vietnamese I rather doubt the Soviets would have helped the French and Vietnam could have become a free democracy dominated by US companies hoovering up any valuable resources they might have had instead of spending billions murdering the local population and losing quite a few young men in the process.

    But then the cold war started with north korea wanting to reunify the country... the Chinese and Soviets really only got involved when the UN got involved... shame the UN wasn't around to prevent the unification of Northern and Southern states during the US civil war.

    Hey Garry, these are two good articles that you should read if you didn't know about him especially the second one where he did all he could to suppress the fact that the US left POWs in Vietnam.

    Thanks, but I really don't like the guy and am not interested in learning about his history...
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    Post  andalusia on Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:50 am

    President George H.W. Bush dies at 94.  What did Russians think of him?

    I know when the Cold War ended that the USSR ended the Warsaw Pact and pulled their bases out of Eastern Europe but the US did not do the same with NATO and their bases in Germany and Italy.

    http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/30/president-george-hw-bush-dead-dies/
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:59 pm

    andalusia wrote:President George H.W. Bush dies at 94.  What did Russians think of him?

    I know when the Cold War ended that the USSR ended the Warsaw Pact and pulled their bases out of Eastern Europe but the US did not do the same with NATO and their bases in Germany and Italy.

    http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/30/president-george-hw-bush-dead-dies/

    Personally I liked him, if only for the common sense he had at the time to withdraw from Iraq and not attempt to overthrow Saddam Hussein after beating his forces.

    And in general under his administration things made a lot more sense. The US wasn't clamoring to support hardcore anti-Russian nationalists in the ex-USSR such as Georgia; they instead took a line of neutrality.

    US intelligence work was continuing as always of course, installing friendly elites in Eastern Europe. However the actual push to expand NATO, and not to mention - intervene in Yugoslavia, didn't happen until Bill Clinton.
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    Post  andalusia on Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:18 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    andalusia wrote:President George H.W. Bush dies at 94.  What did Russians think of him?

    I know when the Cold War ended that the USSR ended the Warsaw Pact and pulled their bases out of Eastern Europe but the US did not do the same with NATO and their bases in Germany and Italy.

    http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/30/president-george-hw-bush-dead-dies/

    Personally I liked him, if only for the common sense he had at the time to withdraw from Iraq and not attempt to overthrow Saddam Hussein after beating his forces.

    And in general under his administration things made a lot more sense. The US wasn't clamoring to support hardcore anti-Russian nationalists in the ex-USSR such as Georgia; they instead took a line of neutrality.

    US intelligence work was continuing as always of course, installing friendly elites in Eastern Europe. However the actual push to expand NATO, and not to mention - intervene in Yugoslavia, didn't happen until Bill Clinton.

    He ordered the bombing of innocent iragis during the First Gulf War: https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/if-you-murdered-a-bunch-of-people-mass-murder-is-your-single-defining-legacy-27dd8c9a72e6?fbclid=IwAR0uKTyDUU2Xb8n0jpJvTR6bGiI1QFAGdD1cMXsyCWtTZbJ2mVQAandOGuk
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:48 am

    He ordered the bombing of Iraq, but not the invasion of Iraq.

    He ordered the isolation and sanctions on Iraq that probably killed a lot of kids, and he called on the Shia majority in Iraq to rise up against the Sunni minority in control, but didn't support them and they got hammered by Saddam... but that was because he realised that if Saddam is gone in Iraq then Iran would gain a lot of influence in the region... something later US presidents forgot... with the result that now Iran is in a much better position in the ME than ever before... which is what has Saudi Arabia so scared and doing stupid things too.

    Funny that the west is very selective about who it forgives... seems to have totally forgiven Germany and Japan, but not Russia... yet it has forgiven other components of the Soviet Union.

    The US got support from Russian at various times through Americas history, yet during the Russian revolution the US and its western allies chose to interfere... I don't remember Russian forces fighting in the US civil war, but there were US forces camped in Siberia for quite a few years.

    The only thing I can say is that in public it was all about peace keeping and the commander in charge of the forces there took that role literally and so did not interfere as much as western politicians secretly wanted him to.
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    Post  andalusia on Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:35 am

    GarryB wrote:He ordered the bombing of Iraq, but not the invasion of Iraq.

    He ordered the isolation and sanctions on Iraq that probably killed a lot of kids, and he called on the Shia majority in Iraq to rise up against the Sunni minority in control, but didn't support them and they got hammered by Saddam... but that was because he realised that if Saddam is gone in Iraq then Iran would gain a lot of influence in the region... something later US presidents forgot... with the result that now Iran is in a much better position in the ME than ever before... which is what has Saudi Arabia so scared and doing stupid things too.

    Funny that the west is very selective about who it forgives... seems to have totally forgiven Germany and Japan, but not Russia... yet it has forgiven other components of the Soviet Union.

    The US got support from Russian at various times through Americas history, yet during the Russian revolution the US and its western allies chose to interfere... I don't remember Russian forces fighting in the US civil war, but there were US forces camped in Siberia for quite a few years.

    The only thing I can say is that in public it was all about peace keeping and the commander in charge of the forces there took that role literally and so did not interfere as much as western politicians secretly wanted him to.

    Very True, I am surprised that America is challenging Russia claims in the Pacific. https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-laughs-off-us-navy-142537295.html

    Also read this Garry B and I think you would agree with most of this if you don't know are ready.

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/12/george-herbert-walker-bush-myth-good-gulf-war.html
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    Post  MiamiMachineShop on Wed May 08, 2019 5:34 pm

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/07/us-ambassador-ukraine-is-recalled-after-becoming-political-target/?utm_term=.94c2c7ed87a3

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/joe-biden-ukraine-controversy.html

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/what-does-the-early-dismissal-of-the-us-ambassador-to-ukraine-mean/

    I said we wanted Russia to have Ukraine and to have better USA-Russia relations, I meant it. We are restoring relations with Russia, we will give the heads of Poroshenko and nazis to Russia, we will leave Ukraine, and we will have the democrats all arrested, in exchange for Russian cooperation with China and others. Russia will make an overture to us for this, They want nothing more than to punish Ukraine and return it to its fold, not be a pawn of China in some SCO silk road project. Putin also desires this, you think he wanted to be junior partner with China? He said Vladivostok to Lisbon, not Beijing-Lisbon. Putin thought he could deal with Europeans but the spineless slaves only obeyed our democrats and spited Russia.

    Putin dreams of EAEU, not SCO. EAEU is Russian led, not Chinese. We offer him the way out. This is real-politik. Not fanciful wishes of some leftists or Chinese businessmen, and European nationalists that dream of regaining power. Putin accepted junior status because he had no choice. Now we offer him a way to be #1. USA-Russia

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    Post  kvs on Wed May 08, 2019 6:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:He ordered the bombing of Iraq, but not the invasion of Iraq.

    He ordered the isolation and sanctions on Iraq that probably killed a lot of kids, and he called on the Shia majority in Iraq to rise up against the Sunni minority in control, but didn't support them and they got hammered by Saddam... but that was because he realised that if Saddam is gone in Iraq then Iran would gain a lot of influence in the region... something later US presidents forgot... with the result that now Iran is in a much better position in the ME than ever before... which is what has Saudi Arabia so scared and doing stupid things too.

    Funny that the west is very selective about who it forgives... seems to have totally forgiven Germany and Japan, but not Russia... yet it has forgiven other components of the Soviet Union.

    The US got support from Russian at various times through Americas history, yet during the Russian revolution the US and its western allies chose to interfere... I don't remember Russian forces fighting in the US civil war, but there were US forces camped in Siberia for quite a few years.

    The only thing I can say is that in public it was all about peace keeping and the commander in charge of the forces there took that role literally and so did not interfere as much as western politicians secretly wanted him to.

    You make it sound like Russia was allied with Germany and Japan. It was the USSR and it was not at war with the precious hyena pack
    called the NATO west. The cold war was instigated by NATO, i.e. its master the USA, can hardly be compared to Germany and Japan
    aggression when it comes to the USSR. So NATO is in no position to demand any apologies from Russia or to "forgive" it. In fact,
    NATO is the pack of dogs that need to beg Russia for mercy. These vermin actually use the victimhood of Russians at the hands
    of the commies (the Gulags were filled with ethnic Russians and not just minorities as claimed by the BBC) to beat Russians over the
    head. I guess they should apply that tactic to Jews. Perhaps Jews need to ask forgiveness for the Holocaust. NATO propaganda and
    the retards that lap it up are a total freak show.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 09, 2019 2:35 am

    You make it sound like Russia was allied with Germany and Japan.

    Westerners would claim Russia (meaning the Soviets) were allied to Germany with their non aggression pact... but of course any examination of such a claim shows that to be bunk... why would allies need a non aggression pact?

    What I am saying is that the west treats the Russians like everything was their fault... that they were responsible for everything the Soviets did or didn't do... they have forgiven Germany and Japan, but not the Russians.

    It was the USSR and it was not at war with the precious hyena pack
    called the NATO west.

    I know.

    They made the same mistake with the Soviet Union after WWII that they made with Germany after WWI, but the Soviets actually fought on the allied side which makes it even more strange.

    The cold war was instigated by NATO, i.e. its master the USA, can hardly be compared to Germany and Japan
    aggression when it comes to the USSR. So NATO is in no position to demand any apologies from Russia or to "forgive" it. In fact,
    NATO is the pack of dogs that need to beg Russia for mercy. These vermin actually use the victimhood of Russians at the hands
    of the commies (the Gulags were filled with ethnic Russians and not just minorities as claimed by the BBC) to beat Russians over the
    head. I guess they should apply that tactic to Jews. Perhaps Jews need to ask forgiveness for the Holocaust. NATO propaganda and
    the retards that lap it up are a total freak show.

    You are not wrong.

    Blaming just the Russians for everything that was done by the Soviets is like blaming the Scottish for everything their former colony the US has done... but then the British have their own long list of crimes anyway.

    Equating the Russians to the Soviets is calling a Scotsman English... it is after all one country anyway isn't it... Twisted Evil

    Of calling someone from Peru American... I mean both continents and the central big joining them are all called America.

    Venezuela and Cuba and Nicaragua should form an alliance and call themselves the United States of America... but who wants that albatross on their shoulders...


    Putin dreams of EAEU, not SCO. EAEU is Russian led, not Chinese. We offer him the way out. This is real-politik. Not fanciful wishes of some leftists or Chinese businessmen, and European nationalists that dream of regaining power. Putin accepted junior status because he had no choice. Now we offer him a way to be #1. USA-Russia

    Interesting idea, Kissenger has been saying something similar for the last few years... flip the relationship... they used China to deal with the Soviets during the cold war and they should now use Russia to deal with China today... the problem is that Russia is not stupid and recognising when it is being used.

    Why would Russia want to help the US remain a hyper power, they are the enemy... both sides of US politics have identified Russia as the bad guy... you can't say anything bad about blacks or gays or jews, but you can say pretty much anything nasty you like about Russians and nobody gives a damn.

    The US is on a decline, why would Russia try to help them in their mad crusade against China?

    More specifically, China and Russia are neighbours... why would Russia want to change its relationship with China for the worse just to please the US... China and Russia have something like 100 billion dollars in trade and it is growing... the US is nothing compared with this and the EU used to be this but has reduced trade not increased it.

    Russia has invested a lot of money and time on the silk road initiatives, which are basically trade routes from Asia to the EU.

    Russia has everything to gain to be part of that, and nothing at all from being another stupid American stooge that does things for the US economy but not their own like Poland or now the Ukraine.

    The Northern Sea Route is going to be good for business for Russia... a lot of northern Russian ports will get a lot of trade and commercial activity because of this.

    Bad relations with China wont help Russia or China... it will only help the US... so why would the Russians be interested in that?
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    Post  jhelb on Thu May 09, 2019 10:44 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Interesting idea, Kissenger has been saying something similar for the last few years... flip the relationship... they used China to deal with the Soviets during the cold war and they should now use Russia to deal with China today... the problem is that Russia is not stupid and recognising when it is being used.

    But now the US State Department is saying that China is the first major threat the US is facing that is not Caucasian.

    https://warontherocks.com/2019/05/problematic-thinking-on-china-from-the-state-departments-head-of-policy-planning/

    So clearly the US is more focused on the rise of these non Caucasian powers - China, India, Iran etc.
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    Post  kvs on Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm

    https://russia-insider.com/en/russian-extradited-us-buying-unclassified-f-16-manual/ri27072

    The USA is an Orwellian toilet.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 22, 2019 5:11 am

    Says in the title, if the manual is unclassified then what is the problem?

    Another Russian about to learn to love the US.... making the world hate it one person at a time... it has a lot of propaganda to undo... but it is working on it.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:36 pm



    It turns out that Butina did not confess to enough Russian meddling in the 2016 US elections. So America
    has put Russians it claims "skewed the 2016 election" on the Interpol red list, reserved for terrorist and
    mass murderers. This is a clear kidnapping operation to subsequently coerce 1984 style "confessions"
    via torture (physical and psychological).

    The US is a rogue regime which engages in banditry (e.g. stealing of Syrian oil and supporting terrorists
    like Al Qaeda and ISIS for regime change in the name of economic gain) and gross human rights abuse
    (Butina, future kidnap victims).

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:06 am

    Desperate measures from a collapsing empire that knows it is falling and really doesn't know how to stop it so it is lashing out at anyone and everyone who might end up replacing them.

    Thing is that no one wants to replace them... China and Russia have not shown any interest in becoming the worlds new policeman... or should I say head lynch man.
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    Post  LaVictoireEstLaVie on Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:50 pm

    I am disappointed in Mr. Yang. He seems to be just another US establishment candidate:



    It seems the US is hell bent on global domination,confrontation and conflict, disregarding the interests of nations that do not follow US orders or US interests. I see dark times ahead for global peace and stability. I hope the true free world (all non US vassal states) can come together to confront, deter and necessarily defeat this threat to global peace and stability.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:44 pm

    The US is past its prime. All these blowhard spewages about doing this and that (e.g. killing Nord Stream II) are vapid trash talk.

    Development of the world economy is steering more and more spice flow away from control by the US and its EU minions. China and India
    have turned out to be failures for the globalist agenda of western corporations skimming the cream from hundreds of millions of new
    consumers. Domestic companies have grown to service the domestic market and all these new consumers. Now, we have MAGA and an
    attempt to repatriate US jobs. This by itself is inconsistent with the current global GDP footprint of the USA and is a process
    of shrinking back into its borders. No 20 trillion dollar GDP can be maintained with MAGA. The US economy is being downsized and
    right-sized and it will not be able to afford its grossly oversized 800 military bases for long.

    Delusions of global empire are nothing more than nostalgia at this stage.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:01 pm


    Who? confused

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