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    Post  xeno Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:33 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/150874/#cut

    The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation presented a 422-horsepower tractor BAZ-S36A11 of domestic production

    Bryansk Automobile Plant (BAZ), which is part of the Almaz-Antey holding, for the first time introduced its new model - BAZ-S36A11.

    The new BAZ-S36A11 is a civilian tractor designed specifically for the oil and gas industry.

    The new model of BAZ - BAZ-S36A11 - was developed at the Engineering Center of the Obukhov plant, which is also part of the Almaz-Antey holding. At the same plant, the e-Neva platform was created for passenger cars and light commercial electric vehicles.

    BAZ-S36A11 has several interesting features.

    The new BAZ-S36A11 is equipped with a six-wheel formula and can carry up to 40 tons of cargo. All suspensions on this vehicle are completely independent and are taken from the army BAZ-6909.

    The cab of the new model S36A11 provides increased comfort and is equipped with two berths. This is not a purchased product from China, but a frame-panel structure created from scratch with a very harmonious design. The "cage" of the cabin is made of rectangular steel pipes, and the outer elements are made of composites.

    The share of imported components in BAZ-S36A11 is minimal. The tractor is equipped with an 11.0-liter YaMZ-6531 turbodiesel, which is a licensed version of the French Renault dCi 11 engine (the license was purchased in 2007). The engine power is 422 horsepower, and the torque is 1900 Nm. The engine is paired with a 9-speed manual gearbox YAMZ-1909 with a demultiplier and a ZMT transfer case.

    The cabin is equipped with a digital instrument panel, a telemetry system, an autonomous cabin heater and climate control "August" from LLC "Avgust Air Conditioner Plant" from Togliatti.

    At the moment, BAZ-S36A11 is undergoing certification tests.

    It looks cool and has a very good Euro 5  French Renault dCi 11 engine (licensed local production from 2007).

    You can watch 1080p video in this link https://smotrim.ru/video/2595453, which I found by myself, no need watch the video of the crappy 360p linked on original sdelanounas post...

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:Any country will develop a technology if there is need and also the demand to make it profitable.

    As far as I know the "profitable" thing is what matters in Russia. The reason for the lackluster of manufacture capability in Russia, despite the very strong foundation of Russian science and technology, is that the profit of industrial investment is not attractive for Russian capitalists.

    As far as I know again, Russia does not have a gigantic state economy and strong grasp of government on the economy like China, to counter the profit-driven movement of pure capitalism and steer the investment into manufacture and technology like China has been doing.

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:00 pm

    As far as I know the "profitable" thing is what matters in Russia. The reason for the lackluster of manufacture capability in Russia, despite the very strong foundation of Russian science and technology, is that the profit of industrial investment is not attractive for Russian capitalists.

    As far as I know again, Russia does not have a gigantic state economy and strong grasp of government on the economy like China, to counter the profit-driven movement of pure capitalism and steer the investment into manufacture and technology like China has been doing.

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    There is a multifaceted clusterfuck of wrong mindset that is still plaguing Russia and the Zeitgeist of the current Russian. If you really want to simplify it with your first sentence, then "Yes", you can make that claim. However, there are multitude of reasons the current Russian is plagued by a wrong mindset with low yield from their investment. One big traditional part of this is the mindset that was embedded in the 90's i.e.  "everything from the West is better" which goes hand in hand with the jewish proverb, "if it already exists don't waste your time making it yourself." The socialist times also had their part to play as the average person usually was never profit orientated nor had any experience in a capitalistic profit orientated business. The unstable times of the 90's and the collaps of the Soviet Union have created such lively conditions that no one really wanted to risk the little money they made or had on a failure prone project like self-run business. This low-risk mentality is also to some part to blame for the low investment into the economy. The overall mindset of that is, but at the same time fading due to constant demand and economical stability fading away. The real-time world development and visibility to the average person in the rest of the world is observable and vast majority of people can feel the shift.

    The real life circumstances of the massive sanctions and little to no real world effect on Russia and Russians based on living standard has shown that they have a very rich soil to grow home-own businesses and projects to become more autonomous. Stability is the biggest factor to reverse and get rid of this mindset, which prevents many from making their own business. The laws on taxation, bureaucracy and interest rate for small businesses have also improved over the last 20 years.

    On a side node, there are many niches which are almost monopoly for some countries/companies in the West which would be potentially profitable if Russia or China would create an own product and undercut the market prize due to lower labor and production costs. To be more specific, Germany is almost a monopoly for glue/adhesive products in all forms. One other sector which Russia and most Russians are garbage at is marketing and asking for a fair price for their products. They often undercut themselves just to please a customer, little sense of profitability in small to medium-small business. The big fishes of course are capitalists through and through since decades, however efficient and branding and marketing is still a Nemesis for us.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:41 am

    Part of their problem was that developing new products from scratch and getting them into mass serial production is expensive and if the EU and Asia already mass produce it and are importing it into Russia then who is going to buy a brand new untested (on the market) product from some brand new company you have never heard of because there is no way the first few years they will be able to compete with models produced in other countries despite the savings in wages.

    EU food production was subsidised by their respective governments and they were already providing food to a large 600million population customer base, adding a 150 million customer market of Russia means they could start by selling at a loss to make market share and then gradually increase the price to make it profitable when the rivals are gone.

    Russia struggled in their agriculture industry until the foreign cheap competition was cut off, and now it is booming with large capacity production and good clean products.

    Obviously that is a combination of investment in the area and the gap in the market created by the withdrawal of imports from the EU, which made it easier to get loans and government support to fill the gap... and I suspect the same will happen with chips and other things they need.

    For lots of stuff the Russians bought from other countries like electronic components, they did so because the margins are tiny so setting up production would only make sense if there were laws that forced local consumers to buy their more expensive components until they could master production and pay off all the start up loans from banks and can drop the price to close to the level of imported components that are only profitable because it is not profitable for everyone to make their own.

    Only about half a dozen countries make their own chips and all the rest of the countries buy from them... it would be unreasonable to expect Russia to already be making them too because Russia had lots of other problems to deal with.

    You can complain that they are short sighted but they haven't been doing nothing all this time... they had to upgrade everything and create a base and I think what they seem to have done has given them a great base to work from... they are making their own machine tools and are on the leading edge of new 3D and 5D and other D printers and 6 axis CnC machines etc etc, and working to fill the many gaps they had without getting massively into debt.

    Now they are at a point where they appear to be on the leading edge of aircraft manufacture.... the structures for the Su-57 look like something HR Geiger would design for example and their mastery of composite materials like wings and stuff seems pretty damn state of the art too.

    They were never focused on material consumer goods and so it is no surprise they are not leaping forward with cars etc, but their military vehicles are moving into new generations that have no western equivalent any more... but to be fair a lot of technology used in private car design came from racing car technology and so perhaps instead of doing it that way they could get the new technologies from military vehicles which will soon be including VR goggles with heads up displays, and 360 degree camera coverage, day night and all weather, and of course electric drives and other new developments can be used by both areas.

    Russians traditionally followed 5 and 10 year plans, there was no commercial risk involved... if the plan required you build a lithium ion battery production plant then that is what you did... it wasn't a question of finding investors and potential customers for the final product to put together agreements you can take to a bank to get loans to build the battery factory in the first place... no risk and properly funded is a very different environment to what they have now... even though many things are funded that way.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:27 am

    Demand for Moskvich cars exceeded expectations, 04.12.2023.

    CEO: Demand for Moskvich cars turned out to be higher than expected.

    Interest in Moskvich cars, sales of which started in Moscow in January and in Russian regions in March, turned out to be higher than expected, said Dmitry Pronin, general director of the automobile plant.

    According to him, interest in models in all regions where official dealers are represented is very high and exceeds expectations, RIA Novosti reports.

    Pronin added that an agreement was signed with one of the largest aggregators to supply a batch of 3,000 Moskvich 3 crossovers and 2,000 Moskvich 3e electric vehicles to taxi and car sharing parks.

    He also noted that the Moskvich automobile plant plans to consider the possibility of exporting brand cars in the future, but now it is concentrated only on the Russian market.

    Earlier, Pronin said that in the near future the city crossover "Moskvich 3" in the "comfort" configuration will go on sale.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/4/12/1207175.html

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    Post  lancelot Sat May 13, 2023 3:13 am

    KAMAZ HAS SOLD A THOUSAND K5 GENERATION FLAGSHIPS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR
    11 May 2023

    The Sales Unit reported that since the beginning of this year, KAMAZ sellers have supplied consumers with a thousand KAMAZ-54901 tractors, the flagships of the K5 generation.

    Despite the consequences of the sanctions pressure – the termination of the supply of components from a number of countries, KAMAZ did not stop the production of the flagship of the new model range: before the restart of production of this model on a new component base, 150 trucks indexed 54901 came off the assembly line every month. Auto components from stock were used in their production.

    In parallel, during 2022, the company's specialists worked on the localization of imported components, a lot of work was done with alternative Russian suppliers and suppliers from friendly countries. Only for the KAMAZ-54901 truck, the company's engineers had to re-master more than two thousand items. As a result, in February 2023, the first updated freight truck was assembled at the truck assembly plant. The serial production of KAMAZ-54901 trucks was launched on a new sanctions-resistant component base with improved technical characteristics. At the moment, more than 30 such vehicles roll off the assembly line every day.

    Since the beginning of January this year, as of May 10, 1 thousand trucks of the newest line have been sold. The release of this version of K5 trucks no longer depends on the supply of components from unfriendly countries. The development of the KAMAZ-54901 truck on a new component base has become one of the illustrative examples of the work of Russian specialists in import phasing-out and a confident step made by the company to strengthen the technological sovereignty of Russia.

    In addition, the new version of the KAMAZ-54901 truck tractor has improved consumer properties. The vehicle is equipped with modified cooling, exhaust gas aftertreatment, electrical systems, on-board information system, suspension of the cab and the entire heavy truck. The new K5 truck has a renewed automatic transmission, drive axle, pneumatic system, and other components. Also, the updated model has improved ride smoothness, reduced fuel consumption. An additional noise-insulating layer is provided on the cabin doors.

    The KAMAZ-54901 truck tractor is the first model of the K5 generation truck line. It is a bright flagship for long-haul transportation, combining an attractive exterior with the highest performance, safety and comfort. The model was put on the market in 2020 and in a short time won the trust of consumers, becoming especially in demand in the cargo transportation market. The high demand is due to a number of undeniable advantages. The vehicle is equipped with a new KAMAZ-910.15-450 (Euro-5) engine with a working volume of 12 liters, a power of 450 hp and a torque of 2300 Nm. The use of modern high-tech design solutions made it possible to increase the service interval to 120 thousand km, and the engine life to 1.5 million km, while reducing fuel consumption by 10% compared to the previous generation truck. The tractor is also equipped with a new 12-speed automated gearbox, which has a low noise level, high efficiency and reduced fuel consumption.

    A fundamentally new spacious truck cab with an absolutely flat floor, two sleeping berths meets all modern requirements: when creating it, a bet was placed on ergonomics, the driver’s convenience and comfort. The cabin is equipped with a multimedia system with a 10" touchscreen display, with the functions of a navigator, radio, hands-free communication systems, music playback, online or offline video viewing, truck parameter control, control of the cabin heater and preheater.

    https://kamaz.ru/en/press/releases/kamaz_has_sold_a_thousand_k5_generation_flagships_since_the_beginning_of_the_year/

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    Post  Kiko Mon May 15, 2023 1:26 pm

    The L-Type electric car is going to be produced at the former Toyota plant in St. Petersburg, 05.15.2023.

    Almaz-Antey wants to produce an L-Type electric car at a former Toyota plant in St. Petersburg.

    St. Petersburg, May 15 - RIA Novosti. At the former Toyota plant in St. Petersburg, it is planned to produce an L-type electric microcar, Mikhail Podvyaznikov, deputy general director of the Almaz-Antey concern, general director of Obukhov Plant JSC, told reporters.

    "We will produce more small L-type cars. The presentation of this car will be on May 25-26 already at the former Toyota factory ... The first sample will be shown. We will produce about 10-14 thousand of them. Until we spin up production electric vehicles," he said.

    According to the company's materials, the L-type electric microcar of the L7e category is a compact urban electric car with quick-change batteries, all its components are Russian-made, the speed is 90 km/h, the range is 183 kilometers on a single charge. The microcar can be used for corporate fleets with frequent warehouse-to-client transportation over short distances, retail and medical networks, restaurant business, as well as city services, closed areas and sharing. The start of production is scheduled for 2024. The plant plans to first produce 2 thousand cars a year, then by 2029, increase their production to 10-12 thousand a year.

    As reported in April, Almaz-Antey plans to start serial production of E-Neva electric vehicles at the former Toyota plant in St. Petersburg in 2026. And in 2024, it is planned to start production of a civilian truck BAZ-S36A11.

    JSC "Obukhov Plant" in April received in management the assets of the former plant of LLC "Toyota Motor", acquired by LLC "Shushary-Avto" (a subsidiary of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise " NAMI "). Obukhov Plant as a management company will be engaged in all operational activities for the management of the enterprise to organize the production of cars.

    https://ria.ru/20230515/l-type-1871827341.html

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    Post  flamming_python Mon May 15, 2023 1:53 pm

    Nice to see the diversification of military-industrial companies going ahead, what with their new civilian product line-up courtesy of Toyota and others Cool

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    Post  Sprut-B Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:09 am

    https://www.rt.com/russia/577622-yandex-robotic-taxi-moscow/

    Russia now has self-driven taxis in Moscow, while the USA doesn't.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:14 am

    I wouldn't be much triumphant about that. In most cases, lacking/having those is only a matter of law regulations, not technology.
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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:40 am

    America has HNrreP, Russia doesn't. Razz

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    Post  kvs Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:12 am

    Russian production has been suppressed by entry barriers and economies of scale. You can't just snap the fingers and produce cars, semiconductors, etc. because
    you want to. These are multi-billion dollar initial sunk costs that need to be recovered. They can't be recovered if existing products are sold for less and
    produced in much larger quantities and have established brand recognition. These same constraints apply all around the planet and are not specific to Russia.
    But Russia has been suppressed even more by the legacy of the 1990s super-depression and laissez-faire bootlicking of the NATzO west by the comprador Yeltsin
    regime. Yeltsin basically sold Russia down the river and destroyed a lot of production that was left from the USSR period. His regime was the typical colonial
    stooge one which allowed NATzO corporations to move in and displace indigenous Russian companies. He signed away Russian oil and gas resources with
    corrupt production sharing agreements. Putin shut the racket down in his first term, but fight to reverse the damage is still ongoing.

    Russia needed at least a 20 year protection period from foreign "free trade" flooding. This would have allowed Russian companies to properly transition to
    market conditions from central planning. This also required non-corrupt government oversight that would stop robber-baron capitalists from grabbing these
    companies and doing what they wanted (mostly just creaming profits and destroying them instead of developing them.) Every freaking economic lead country
    on the planet (from the US to Japan) had protectionist policies when it was developing. Only when they had the economic mass did they start pushing for
    free trade since it served their interests. Russians were fed the "free trade" koolaid and are still paying for it.

    The current proxy war with NATzO has established import barriers from predatory NATzO trans-nationals at a good time. Russian companies have modernized
    and are able to fill the gap and there is now room for start-ups since they have unsatisfied demand to service. Russia is also not cut-off from the planet in
    terms of trade and has China, India and dozens of other countries it can interact with so it is not trapped in a bubble that can lead to technological stagnation.
    But I would say this aspect is a tad overblown. The USSR was isolated but not terminally backward. There were other issues that hampered its development.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:38 am

    From the time when cars were cars...
    The driver was the central figure, three pedals and a connection with the engine... I fuckin love this car..

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:20 pm

    ABS production for cars will be launched in Russia, 06.09.2023.

    Russian automakers will receive domestic ABS from July 1.

    In Kostroma, assembly of domestic ABS will be established. From July 1, they will be delivered to Russian automakers.

    Russia's first production of anti-lock braking systems (ABS) will be launched in Kostroma, RIA Novosti reports , citing Vasily Shpak, deputy head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade. From July 1, they will be delivered to domestic automobile companies.

    Vasily Shpak noted that Russian companies have already managed to replace the import of electronic control units, harness products and partially sensors for the automotive industry. At the same time, it is planned to further increase the percentage of Russian components and localize the missing electronic architecture.

    The anti-lock braking system (ABS) prevents the vehicle from locking up when braking. Its main purpose is to maintain stability and controllability.

    In 2022, Russian car factories faced a severe shortage of ABS and ESP systems, which, among other things, became one of the reasons for the suspension of production. To solve this problem, the authorities had to introduce a simplified technical regulation, which allowed not to install these systems on new cars.

    Earlier, Autonews.ru reported that Russia began a phased return of technical requirements for imported and domestically produced cars. From June 1, all cars assembled in Russia must comply with the environmental standard of at least Euro-2. And from December 1, 2023, cars will be required to install an anti-lock braking system (ABS).

    https://www.autonews.ru/news/648035d39a7947e5f99ce023

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:40 am

    The irony is that the MiG-25 has ABS... when you come into land you apply the brakes before you touch down...

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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:31 am

    That is what was happening across a whole spectrum of goods and services. Indigenous ones were allowed to be displaced by
    imports. This also includes suppression of emergence of products such as consumer sector ABS. It really is a zero sum game
    even if laissez-faire ideologues claim that the market has ample room for all competitors and only the "losers" don't succeed.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:44 pm

    The only things that should be imported are specific luxury items and possibly highest quality equipment in case a local alternative is not yet ready. And possibly a limited number of normal quality equipment (of course with import tariff), in order not to completely close the market and incentivate local innovation and investment (total lack of confrontation with foreign products can also be negative).
    What should never be imported are the cheap products in all sectors
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:52 am

    I would say you need to look at local resources and demand... why ship wood and wood based products to Finland for them to make cheap furniture and then sell it to Russian customers at a mark up... Russians can design and make furniture too, and if the market is big enough in Russia why wouldn't you want to make your own?

    Conversely if you have no very active shipyards like at the end of the 1990s, why would you fund a Russian company to make 1,000 ton capacity cranes when you only need about 10 of them and the prospects for export are low because the Chinese make them in enormous numbers much cheaper than any Russian company could possibly ever make them for because that Chinese company makes hundreds every year for the entire world market.

    If however, you plan to expand your civil and military fleet and want to make huge ships, ice breakers, tankers, oilers, and huge cargo ships in dozens of Russian shipyards you need to upgrade then a domestic company making cranes might make sense... even if they only make half the number you need, they could also make smaller cranes and other equipment for your shipyards too.

    The mistake some countries like India make is they pick the wrong thing to make for themselves.

    India should not have been planning to make new heavy 5th gen fighters for itself because the technology and production skills for making a large 5th gen fighter do not correspond to skills and capabilities that could be used for other things.

    Making a lead in fighter trainer aircraft could be useful because instead of just making 250 or even 500 of them you might end up making 800 or even more if the civilian population could buy a civilian version. A turboprop trainer could be used in airfields right across India and be used in enormous numbers... and the large numbers will also make them useful.

    It would be the same with other things like missiles... don't make the S-400 heavy missiles... make the MANPADS... and make millions of them... and the same with ATGMs like Kornet types because such weapons are useful and become more useful if you have a lot of them.

    Making electric trucks and electric buses and other electric vehicles right now would be useful and valuable work and of course making your own drones is the best way to ensure no one can cut you off.

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    Post  Sprut-B Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:08 pm

    Indians' biggest issue is that we're a cesspit democracy.
    A big country with millions of multiethnic residents isn't the ideal condition for a democracy. Our literacy rate is shameful for an economy of this size.
    Even the poorest post-USSR countries have literacy rates close to 100%.

    Our politicians are corrupt, and they care little about the future but more about short-term gains because grabbing headlines in the newspaper is more important for winning the election than implementing policies that might be helpful to us in the long run.

    China, Russia, Japan, Israel, and even Iran have some sort of technological leverage. Russia, Israel, and China have core technologies outside of the West. India, on the other hand, has no technological leverage, and we don't own any core technologies of our own.

    If the US sections us tomorrow, then our economy will be in big trouble as we're too dependent on the West.
    Tejas, Arjun, and Insas—all these programmes are collosal failures and huge wastes of money. Our 5th generation fighter aircraft project is incomplete, as is our bullet train programme, which was supposed to be completed already.

    Russia has 6th generation fighter and China has 5th generation but India is left with nothing but big talks.

    Indonesia and even Laos have bullet trains built by China at much more cheaper cost than the Japanese.
    Gone are the days when the Japanese ruled the HSR business.Now it's China.
    By the way, China also agreed to transfer technology to Indonesia, which the Japanese didn't agree to.
    If it weren't for our rabbid anti-China policies, we would also have bullet trains now connecting to China through the Himalayas.
    Our infrastructure would have been top-notch, and we would have done business with China.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:57 am

    Most countries have periods where the sky is falling... in Russia when money was flooding overseas and everyone with money was buying houses on the riviera or in Paris and of course corruption was shocking where the police were often as bad as the criminals and often they were the one and the same because crime bosses paid on time while the government didn't.

    The point is that getting the right people at the top and the right attitude and India has enormous potential... comparable potential to the potential the Chinese are currently realising... I think a few Indians are hoping that the west will take all their investment and companies out of China and put them in India and India will grow and develop, but the rise of China has scared the shit out of the west... the rise of Russia has too because they weren't investing in Russia to help it... they made lots of money and still do, the point is that the investment is supposed to make money for the west but not in any way help or develop the country they are investing in because the whole point is that you invest some money into the weak broken economy and get cheap goods made super cheap you can sell to the world at great profits while your work force remains poor and weak and unable to demand better wages and conditions... they have been doing it for centuries and now they realise what they did with China they wont repeat that with India... they will want their companies to make products in their own countries instead.

    Ironically India wants the west to abuse them so they can grow and develop with that investment, but in reality what they should be looking at is BRICS... as it expands it will become financially very very powerful and investment from financial institutions like the BRICS bank will actually drive growth and development rather than create debt slaves to get UN votes with.

    The future potential of India is enormous... a few Indians I know think things were best under British rule because they were so organised, but India was never going to be India under British rule, this is their chance to shine and to solve problems and to work on important things like health and education and infrastructure... when your people start living a better life then working for it makes sense... when you work three jobs just to pay rent and put food on the table.... you need a better paying job or you need to live somewhere else.

    Countries don't own technology... a significant percentage of the population can be trained to be an expert in any field and if you pay them enough they wont leave to go to another country... train teachers and train doctors and nurses and train the people you need... in many ways a communist country is easier to manage than a democracy where the people making the plans and managing everything get changed arbitrarily every election cycle.

    Putin could not have done what he did in two presidencies... maybe that is why the west promotes democracy... to restrict the good any good politician that slips through their election manipulation companies like the CIA...
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    Post  Sprut-B Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:58 pm


    If it weren't for Putin and his team, the fate of Russia would have been catastrophic.....

    We need smart, patriotic, non-idealist, and visionary leadership like Putin or Xi Jinping in India.....
    Modi is not fit for the task.... He is an right-wing Hindu extremist ideologue, and a well-known Islamophobe + an Israel lackey........ His followers are even worse, and unfortunately that means millions of hatemongering ignorants with no purpose in life but to promote hate and fear.

    Modi is also a hardcore capitalist, and he loves the Murican model of capitalism...... He sold a lot of our nationalised industries and companies to some shady businessmen.

    Branden and Modi don't like each other because of their polar opposite ideologies...... But India did try to appease Murica during Drumf's presidency and when the tarrif war was ongoing with China....... BJP politicians are boasting about India replacing China as a cheap labour market for the West, as if there's something to be proud of...... But nonetheless, there was a lot of hype for it, but the tarrif war didn't last long, and BJP ideologues were so carried away by their arrogance and stupidity that they missed the whole opportunity, and small Southeast Asian countries like Vietnam and Cambodia took that opportunity....... Once again, India left with nothing but big talks.

    India does have talented people, but our system is rotten to the core, hence the massive brain drain to Western countries...... Most Indians are ignorant of their history, especially those who live in the West. Hence, you've come across Indians who believe that British rule was good for India......
    Although I don't like to blame every problem on the British invaders, but there's nothing positive I can think of about British colonialism.... Even to this day, a lot of problems can be attributed to Anglo-Saxon colonialism in India

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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:47 pm

    Off Topic

    The "Heart of Smugness" is a very good article on the reality of British rule in India.    We hear endlessly about genocide famines in the USSR
    but never about the ones in India.   The British really did send tens of millions of people to their death with engineered famines.    The claims
    about the famine deaths in the USSR during the 1930s are exaggerated and distorted.  

    Getting back to the topic of the thread, as the saying goes, the fish rots from the head.   Putin has saved Russia by running a non-corrupt
    government (obviously he does not control the behaviour of every employee) and this has been key to reducing corruption in the private
    sector, including car manufacturing.   The Russian auto industry was perhaps the most corrupt of them all in the 1990s.   Gangster
    oligarch Berezovsky was central to corrupting Avtovaz.   Paul Khlebnikov's book "Godfather of the Kremlin" covers this subject well.
    Khlebnikov paid for it with his life.  

    Sounds like India has too much corporate influence in government.   You need leaders who crack the whip instead of bending over.   The
    market zealots worship the corporations and believe that the system is self-correcting and ideal.   It is a toilet.   The profit motive implies
    cheating and dirty tricks.   It does not imply godly behaviour.   The job of government is to keep these dogs on a leash through regulation
    and criminal law.  The US system is a facade.   The oligarchy that runs the puppet theater realized that it would be good for its money flow
    if they made everything look squeaky clean.   Cheesy 3rd world style corruption is not optimal for their profits.   Hence we have what we see.  
    Most people think it is really works.   But it's a sham.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:59 pm

    Unmanned trucks will be launched along the M-11 Neva highway on June 14, 06.12.2023.

    Unmanned trucks Kamaz will carry commercial cargo from St. Petersburg to Moscow along the M-11 Neva highway on June 14. This was reported in the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation on June 12.

    The carriers PEK, Globaltruck and Gazpromneft-Snabzhenie are participating in the Unmanned Logistics Corridors project, RIA Novosti reports . It is clarified that the unmanned delivery of goods takes place within the framework of the experimental legal regime (EPR) programme.

    Thus, the requirements of the EPR state that unmanned vehicles are allowed for operation on the M-11 highway, which has passed an assessment of compliance with safety requirements conducted by the FSUE NAMI testing laboratory and which the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs classified as unmanned. At the moment, Kamaz has passed the established procedures.

    The Ministry of Transport said that in the future it is planned to release unmanned trucks "Sberavtotekh", whose equipment has been certified by "NAMI". At the same time, other companies that have to undergo certification are engaged in similar developments.

    Deputy Minister Dmitry Bakanov noted that the Ministry of Transport supports domestic companies that implement innovative unmanned solutions without attracting budget funds, and the department is ready to assist them.

    On May 26, KamAZ unmanned trucks, built on the basis of the KamAZ-43118 model, successfully completed months of testing . The verification was carried out at the Vostochno-Messoyakhskoye field, located on the Gydan Peninsula of the YaNAO.

    In September last year, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin said that Russia is the leader in unmanned vehicles in the world.

    In March 2022, the Russian government approved an experimental legal regime program for the operation of unmanned vehicles. According to the program, unmanned vehicles will be able to be operated with a test driver in the cabin on the streets of Moscow, in Innopolis and on the Sirius federal territory. Without the presence of a test driver in the cabin - on the territory of Innopolis and the Skolkovo innovation centre.

    https://iz.ru/1527353/2023-06-13/bespilotnye-gruzoviki-zapustiat-po-trasse-m-11-neva-14-iiunia

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:50 am

    If it weren't for Putin and his team, the fate of Russia would have been catastrophic.....

    To be fair they didn't get him for 10 years, but they certainly needed someone... I think anyone else would not have been as successful as Putin... ironically if they had had a real brutal dictator that put things in order and turned Russia into North Korea the west would not have cared as long as they could keep buying cheap energy and resources from Russia they could care less for as long as Russia stayed out of their way.

    Fortunately for Russia and the west (but the leadership of the west don't understand yet how sick and depraved their path is taking them), he happened.


    We need smart, patriotic, non-idealist, and visionary leadership like Putin or Xi Jinping in India.....

    Every country needs such a government...

    Once again, India left with nothing but big talks.

    India does have talented people, but our system is rotten to the core, hence the massive brain drain to Western countries......

    But that is your problem... Putin didn't fix everything on his own and he couldn't... look at how ineffectual Trump was when the American government and American media was working against him.

    Putin managed to inspire those that have the power and those that control things no matter who gets elected leader to do the right thing and turn the country around for the sake of the country.

    India and indeed most western countries need someone who can inspire the whole country and not just one or two parties that working together is how things are done.

    No single man can do much... one man can't build a house, it takes a team, and a good team can make lots of good houses every year... the power of numbers is that one man can only do so much and there are lots of things they can't do on their own... having two men can expand the number of things you can actually do and having four men that coordinate their work can do more things and much faster than one man if they are well trained and can cooperate.

    Western elections tend to be about single candidates.... me me me.

    Although I don't like to blame every problem on the British invaders, but there's nothing positive I can think of about British colonialism.... Even to this day, a lot of problems can be attributed to Anglo-Saxon colonialism in India

    Well case in point look at what they did to Fiji...

    They turned up and took over and were not satisfied with the work ethic of the locals.

    Most Fijians are considered lazy by the British because they work out how much money they need for the week... for food and housing etc and then they work that long and then go home.

    There is no concept of hoarding lots of money, you work to earn what your needs require and then you go live your life... when the money runs out you come back and work.

    Needless to say the British were disgusted and shipped in lots of Indians from India... pacific island paradise... who wouldn't want to live there, so Indians started taking over all the jobs in government and industry etc etc and when the British left they asked the Indians if they wanted to stay or go back to India.

    The vast majority decided to stay of course because they basically run the place.

    They of course had no right to bring in such workers or allow them to stay but the result is that Fijians are effectively second class citizens in their own country.

    The vast majority of their armed forces are Fijians and quite often when the Indians do things they are not happy with they have a coup and a military take over, but they have a lot of problems with this.

    What the British should have done was allow the local Fijians to timeshare their jobs... if they only want to work two days a week then get three or four guys to do the same job and when one has had enough they can tag team the job...

    It wont cost any more, you still pay the same wage and the same hours but to three or four different people...

    The sad thing is that the Fijian Indians are caught in the middle...

    The "Heart of Smugness" is a very good article on the reality of British rule in India. We hear endlessly about genocide famines in the USSR
    but never about the ones in India.

    The irony of western democracies is that their propaganda lies about their enemies normally consist of the west accusing their perceived enemies of doing the things the West has been doing for centuries and are embarrassed about... concentration camps... torture... murdering promising politicians to prevent real human rights and democracy because they would oppose western rule...

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