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    Post  kvs Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:40 am

    Those tires are undersized. I wish those making these renders had a clue.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:27 am

    kvs wrote:Those tires are undersized.   I wish those making these renders had a clue.


    The graphics and rendering is usually outsourced to small private graphic media outfits. That's the end result of being outsourced.
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    Post  kvs Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:20 pm



    So this new creation is in the Tigr size range but is about twice as light and can handle 2 kg of TNT blown up under the chassis.
    The Tigr can only handle 600 g of TNT. It can do 155 km/hour on the highway.

    Compare the torrid pace of such product development in Russia over the last 15+ years compared to the stagnation in the USSR.
    And some losers run around claiming "Putin's Russia is living off the USSR legacy".

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:31 pm

    kvs wrote:....
    So this new creation is in the Tigr size range but is about twice as light and can handle 2 kg of TNT blown up under the chassis.
    The Tigr can only handle 600 g of TNT. It can do 155 km/hour on the highway.

    Compare the torrid pace of such product development in Russia over the last 15+ years compared to the stagnation in the USSR.
    And some losers run around claiming "Putin's Russia is living off the USSR legacy".

    My favorite part is when people complain about "too many products" and ask "why do they need this when they have that?"

    I guess they miss the good old days when they had one product for 50 uses and which failed at all 50

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:16 pm

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    Post  franco Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:54 am

    Aleut for the Arctic. The Russian army receives two-link transporters

    In the interests of the Russian armed forces, new models of equipment are being created, intended for operation in the Far North or in other difficult regions. One of the latest developments of this kind is the GAZ-3344-20 Aleut two-link articulated snow and swamp vehicle. By now, this machine has gone into production and is supplied to combat units.

    All-terrain vehicle for the Arctic


    The GAZ-3344 transporter is designed and manufactured by the Zavolzhsky plant of tracked tractors (part of the Gas Group). On a common articulated chassis, machines are produced in different configurations and for different purposes. The army version of the all-terrain vehicle was created by order of the Ministry of Defense as part of the Korobochka development work.

    The result of this development work was the Aleut transporters from ZZGT and DT-3PM from the Ishimbay plant of transport engineering. One of them in the future was supposed to occupy the niche of a medium vehicle - intermediate between the "Trekol" wheeled all-terrain vehicles and heavy tracked DT-30. Comparative tests were carried out, incl. in the most difficult conditions. So, in the winter of 2017, a number of types of equipment passed from Tiksi to about. Boiler room.

    Based on the test results, the GAZ-3344-20 all-terrain vehicle was recommended for further production and operation in the troops. In the same 2017, the first contract for the supply of equipment appeared. Then two more orders appeared. To date, snow and swamp-going vehicles have entered mass production, are supplied to the army and are being mastered in different parts.

    Delivery progress

    The first contract for the assembly and delivery of five Aleuts appeared in the spring of 2017. At the same time it was reported that a new contract would appear in the coming months - for a hundred all-terrain vehicles. Soon this order was formalized; The Ministry of Defense decided to purchase 112 new vehicles. Almost immediately ZZGT started production of equipment. In 2018, an additional order for 12 more snow and swamp vehicles appeared.

    The first formation to receive the GAZ-3344-20 was the 80th separate motorized rifle brigade of the coastal forces of the Northern Fleet . The new cars were handed over to her in January 2018, and soon the technique was tested on snow-covered tracks. The number of vehicles transferred was not specified. In May of the same year, all-terrain vehicles took part in the parade in Murmansk for the first time.

    In June 2019, the management of ZZGT spoke about the latest successes in the production of equipment. By that time, as part of the order of the Ministry of Defense in 2017, approx. 30 snow and swamp-going vehicles. Until the end of the year, it was planned to fully fulfill the existing order, as well as supply the machines under the 2018 contract.

    In January 2020, the domestic media reported on the impending delivery of four snow and swamp vehicles to the railway troops stationed in Khakassia. In March, the specialized foreign press reported on the official acceptance of the Aleut into service with the Russian army.

    On June 24, the GAZ-3344-20 all-terrain vehicles were first shown to residents and guests of Ussuriysk at a parade. It is curious that the supply of "Aleuts" in the military-military unit was not reported before . The first news of this kind appeared only in mid-July. The equipment entered a separate motorized rifle unit based in the Khabarovsk Territory.

    The exact number of Aleuts delivered to date is unknown. From the previously announced data, it follows that the army could have already received all the ordered equipment. At the same time, it was reported about the transfer of machines to only two connections. No news has yet been received about the re-equipment of other parts - but may appear at any time.

    Technical features

    GAZ-3344-20 is a two-link tracked transporter capable of operating in difficult terrain and transporting people and goods. The front link of the machine accommodates the driver's seat, the volume for the payload, the power plant and part of the transmission units. The rear hull houses a larger cab and a tracked propeller drive. The housings are connected by a swivel-coupling device that ensures mutual movement of the links in two planes. An intercom is provided for communication between the cabins. There is no armor protection.

    The snow and swamp-going vehicle is equipped with a YaMZ 53402-10 diesel engine with a power of 189 hp. It is possible to install a Cummins ISB4.5E3 engine with similar characteristics, but equipment for the Russian army receives a domestic engine. There is a pre-heater for easy operation in cold climates. The transmission of an original design based on an automatic transmission provides the drive of the tracks of both links.

    The undercarriage of the link has six road wheels with torsion bar suspension per side. The drive wheels are located at the front of the body, the guides are at the rear. Wide rubber tracks are used, providing a ground pressure of approx. 0.21 kg / cm2 Due to two similar caterpillar propellers "Aleut" is able to move both on soils with low bearing capacity and on paved roads.

    All-terrain vehicles GAZ-3344 can be used both as transport and as a platform for various special equipment. The armed forces ordered the equipment in a transport configuration. In this case, the front link can carry up to five people or 500 kg of cargo. The rear is made in the form of a van with 15 seats; lifting capacity - 2 tons. It is possible to tow a trailer weighing up to 3 tons. Access to the front cabin is provided by side doors, the rear one has aft.

    The inhabited compartments of military vehicles are equipped with heaters and filter ventilation units. Installation of special equipment is possible. So, a certain amount of equipment for the army is made in the form of ambulances. They are capable of transporting bedridden patients on stretchers and have some medical equipment. In fact, the Aleuts are seen as a replacement for standard army trucks with different equipment, designed specifically for the special conditions of the North.

    The two-link conveyor has a length of less than 10 m, a width of 2.4 m and a height of at least 2.5 m. The curb weight is 8.7 tons. 5-6 km / h. In terms of transverse dimensions, the all-terrain vehicle does not differ from the most common tractors and cars, and does not require a special approach to the choice of routes.

    Program element

    Actual plans - probably already completed or approaching implementation - provide for the supply of more than 120 two-link GAZ-3344-20 Aleut snow and swamp vehicles. Such equipment is intended for units and formations of the Northern Fleet participating in the defense of the strategic Arctic direction. In addition, it is transferred to other units operating in other latitudes, but in no less harsh conditions.

    "Aleut" and other modern all-terrain vehicles are designed to replace other vehicles, the operation of which in the Arctic or other regions is difficult or even impossible. Having the required carrying capacity characteristics, two-link snow and swamp vehicles show great advantages in cross-country ability. Accordingly, subdivisions in remote regions with an undeveloped road network do not remain without convenient transport.

    It should be noted that the "Korobochka" design and development project and its result in the form of the GAZ-3344-20 machine are not the only measures to provide the Arctic parts with the necessary equipment. In fact, now we are talking about a whole program for the creation and implementation of promising samples of various kinds, initially adapted to the harsh climate and complex landscapes. Along with unarmored transporters, anti-aircraft and artillery systems are created on special chassis.

    Thus, in just a few years, the Russian armed forces have formed a combat-ready and fairly numerous group of troops in the Arctic, and are also re-equipping and re-equipping it with various equipment. The unit receives both combat and auxiliary vehicles. And one of the main roles in these processes is given to the GAZ-3344-20 snow and swamp-going vehicle.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:23 am

    The two axis hydraulic links between each section of the vehicle gives the vehicle capabilities no normal vehicle has.

    As you can imagine adding a trailer to a tank is normally a very bad idea because it completely handicaps the mobility and manouverability, but in this case the trailer is fully powered and the connection... the link between the two sections is powered and can be manipulated.

    If you are driving over a frozen lake in an amphibious vehicle like an MTLB and hit some thin ice and drop through you will have trouble getting out because to drive out you need to get back up on the ice by climbing up on its edge where it is weak where all the weight of the vehicle is concentrated as you use your tracks to try to pull yourself up and out of the water and on to the ice.

    Essentially you break the ice till you get to the edge of the lake and can climb up on land unless there is an area of very very thick ice to climb up on to.

    You become an icebreaker... not a huge problem with a lake or river... but if you are 100km away from any land in the arctic ocean that is frozen over it really becomes a problem... often the vehicle is abandoned...

    With these articulated vehicles however the connection can be used to lift one section up out of the water with the weight transferred to the vehicle still in the water.

    Driving forward lifting the front section onto the ice while minimising its weight on the ice so it doesn't immediately break allows you to get one half of the vehicle onto the ice. Once that is on the weight can be carefully transferred to the vehicle now safely on the ice and the other section can be lifted out of the water a little so that as it gets onto the edge of the ice it is not applying full weight but can add to the traction of dragging the whole vehicle forward back on to the ice.

    This also works in deep mud and deep snow.
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    Post  PhSt Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:20 pm

    based on my observation especially in encounters in Syria between Russian and US troops, Russian mobility vehicles look less boxy than their American counterparts, but are they equally protected? or maybe Russia has a different doctrine when it comes to designing these types of vehicles?
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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:48 pm

    PhSt wrote:based on my observation especially in encounters in Syria between Russian and US troops, Russian mobility vehicles look less boxy than their American counterparts, but are they equally protected? or maybe Russia has a different doctrine when it comes to designing these types of vehicles?

    I would say American equipment is produced in an environment of graft and the need to meet people's perceptions before
    dealing with reality (style over substance). There is a very sharp transition for the utility of armour on such vehicles.
    It has to be enough to stop expected caliber rounds and small bombs, but it will never be able to take a hit from a tank
    round or ATGM. I highly doubt that the US vehicles can withstand such hits. The engineering problem is universal and
    it does not look like Americans have found a better solution.

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    Post  Isos Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:13 pm

    You compare protection value with enemy weapons penetration values not enemy protection value of counterpart systems.

    Russians are equiping their vehicles with 30/57mm guns and ATGMs with 800+mm or more after ERA and both will go through any US vehicle but front of tanks.

    US have old tow but not on all vehicle and they use more 20mm than 30mm. Their engagement range is less Than russian guns and missiles which adds "protection" since they can hit but can't be hit.
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:59 pm

    PhSt wrote:based on my observation especially in encounters in Syria between Russian and US troops, Russian mobility vehicles look less boxy than their American counterparts, but are they equally protected? or maybe Russia has a different doctrine when it comes to designing these types of vehicles?

    With the exception of BTR-80s, Russian patrol vehicles are plenty boxy themselves. Form follows function and there can only be so many arrangements possible that maximize internal space until you converge to that boxy look. Of course that these vehicles have to protect against mostly small arms and artillery splinters means the armor doesn't have to be particularly thick, and as such don't require geometric trickery like sloping plates.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:33 am

    The original Humvee was very heavy and very boxy and the first users of them assumed they were armoured... they were not... they were jeep replacements and there was no requirement for armour... so a few soldiers got killed because their commanders thought their vehicles would stop small arms fire at least.

    When it was realised they didn't they demanded armoured versions... which were much heavier and much slower and even less like the jeep in most regards.... careful what you wish for.

    The enemy is not stupid.... turn up in a vehicle that can survive a 2kg mine and they will start using 10kg mines....
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:43 pm

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:52 pm

    Those foreign vehicles must have had the wrong tires and operated in a dishonest way or they have a stupid drive train resulting
    in full on tire spin from the get go. Under such conditions you need 4x4 drive and differential locking. Zero km/hr is hard to believe.



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    Post  calripson Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:58 pm

    Yes. A Toyota Tacoma that comes stock with rear locking differential with a little aftermarket parts could go through that snow no problem.
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    Post  Isos Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:43 pm

    The tires would turn and project snow in the air even if the vehicle doesn't move.

    Where did they get those HMMWV ?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:45 am

    My understanding is that if a vehicle underbody traps snow it ends up scooping it where it gets caught under the body and once enough snow has been collected the belly rests on the compacted snow taking the weight of the vehicle off the wheels and they simply spin.

    AFAIK the Humvee and Iveco were not designed for deep snow... they were designed for rough desert terrain of stones or sand.

    If this was a test by the makers of Tigrs then I would understand the interest in faking results but if this was an Army test to look at the performance of domestic and foreign vehicles they could get a hold of then there would be no benefit for any false results.

    I assume those Ivecos were the home build licence produced ones, and I suspect the Humvees were donated from Georgian stocks in 8 8 8.
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    Post  marcellogo Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:30 am

    GarryB wrote:My understanding is that if a vehicle underbody traps snow it ends up scooping it where it gets caught under the body and once enough snow has been collected the belly rests on the compacted snow taking the weight of the vehicle off the wheels and they simply spin.

    AFAIK the Humvee and Iveco were not designed for deep snow... they were designed for rough desert terrain of stones or sand.

    If this was a test by the makers of Tigrs then I would understand the interest in faking results but if this was an Army test to look at the performance of domestic and foreign vehicles they could get a hold of then there would be no benefit for any false results.

    I assume those Ivecos were the home build licence produced ones, and I suspect the Humvees were donated from Georgian stocks in 8 8 8.

    Yes, it was probably this the reason but I'm sure that if they would asked IVECO to modify the design of their own vehicle for deal with this problem they would have performed it without any problem.

    They a.t.m. of the test had already decided to go for 100% domestic products anyway (as a consequence of 2014 crisis ), so they just took the outcome as it get and looked no further.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:16 pm

    Isos wrote:...Where did they get those HMMWV ?

    You can get those everywhere

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    Post  George1 Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:03 pm

    The Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the development of a line of light armored vehicles "Strela"
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    The Defense Ministry and the Military Industrial Company (VPK) have signed a contract for the development of new light armored vehicles of the Strela family. This was reported by the press service of the "VPK".

    The company received an agreed technical assignment for the development next year of 4 new samples of an armored car of the light category of the Strela family

    - said the general director of "VPK" LLC Alexander Krasovitsky.

    According to him, as part of the ROC, multipurpose armored and unarmored vehicles, as well as chassis based on them for the installation of weapons and special equipment, will be developed. Prototypes of new equipment will enter the preliminary testing stage in 2021, the schedule has been agreed and approved by the military department. Already created samples - the Strela multipurpose armored vehicle and the Strela protected amphibious vehicle - will also go to preliminary tests.

    In the summer of 2020, the "VPK" company announced the development of a new family of armored vehicles "Strela". The development was carried out on an initiative basis. The armored vehicles were tested during the Caucasus-2020 exercises.

    The new armored cars belong to the light class and can be transported on the external sling of the Mi-8 helicopters. The gross vehicle weight is only 4,7 tons, while the armor provides class 2 ballistic protection. Mine protection provides protection for the crew in the event of detonation under the wheel of explosive devices up to 2 kg in TNT equivalent.

    Max. highway speed - up to 155 km / h, capacity - up to 8 people. The design of the machine is based on promising 100% Russian units, components and parts, planned for development in the mass production of the domestic auto industry.

    https://en.topwar.ru/178120-minoborony-zakljuchilo-kontrakt-na-razrabotku-linejki-broneavtomobilej-legkogo-klassa-strela.html

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:13 am

    They a.t.m. of the test had already decided to go for 100% domestic products anyway (as a consequence of 2014 crisis ), so they just took the outcome as it get and looked no further.

    I agree, that they had already decided on domestic models only, but I believe the test was part of many tests to determine the features of all of these vehicles for Russian conditions so they could determine what each design option can do.

    For instance the suspension that allows good mobility on rock and sand environments didn't do well in deep mud or deep snow.

    Conversely suspension that did work well in deep snow and mud did not cope so well with explosive charges being placed under wheels.

    Protection levels for the engine and drive train as well as crew and cabin compartments were also tested... not with the view of adopting foreign vehicles for different roles but to set standards of what they expected from domestic makers.

    Apparently IVECO had good light weight ceramic armour modules that they liked and while they could modify their vehicles so they could operate in deep snow, they wanted the ceramic armour for their own vehicles rather than another purchase of IVECO vehicles...
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:30 pm

    Isos wrote:The tires would turn and project snow in the air even if the vehicle doesn't move.

    Where did they get those HMMWV ?

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    Post  George1 Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:25 pm

    State trials of Russia’s latest armored vehicle, Atlet, will begin in the spring of 2021

    https://tass.com/defense/1236895

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