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    PapaDragon
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yeah, not sure why you think a helicopter would be safer than an Il-476 for delivering vehicles... the Il-476 can carry 3-4 at a time at about 800km/h at an altitude well above small arms fire range.

    I really don't think flying around with a helicopter carrying a vehicle slung underneath is a good idea... they are slow and don't have fantastic range and would be a rather easy target even for a HMG...

    Il-476 is more expensive, takes more time to get ready and fixed with aircraft are operated by VKS

    VDV wants it's own fleet

    Parachuting is going out of use and VDV doesn't want to follow it

    And before you guys start praising everything that Russia currently does keep in mind that it's VDV themselves who are looking to add helicopters
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:40 pm

    You wont find a faster rapid reaction force somewhere on this planet then the VDV.

    If parachuting is becoming obsolete then the western method of sending Marines somewhere and let them swim to the beach in some boats is obsolete for decades.

    The VDV already has vehicles that can be airlifted by the Mi-8 as was shown in the large maneuvers in the last few years. The Strela will just be better armored. And they have the Mi-26 which can lift heavy vehicles.

    Even a new designed helicopter will only have a radius of action of 500 - 600km. Planes are faster and can fly further.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:31 am

    Il-476 is more expensive, takes more time to get ready and fixed with aircraft are operated by VKS

    More expensive and also vastly more capable.

    With minor modifications they could be outfitted as water bombers or cargo transports that could cover enormous areas very quickly.

    Helicopters are expensive to operate and terribly vulnerable to small arms fire... you can't fly nap of earth low level evading flight with a 5 ton weight hanging under you on a wire.

    VDV wants it's own fleet

    Of course they do... no emergency rescue service wants to rely on the local bus company for their supply ambulances...

    Parachuting is going out of use and VDV doesn't want to follow it

    Hahaha... really... so they are going to ditch all those brand new BMD-4s they are putting in to service?

    Being able to move over large obstacles is what it is about... having a few helicopters to move force components quickly would be useful but the bulk of the forces going by aircraft is just more efficient and fast.

    They might want a few groups that are heli mobile, but they are not and have never said they are going to an all helicopter force.

    And before you guys start praising everything that Russia currently does keep in mind that it's VDV themselves who are looking to add helicopters

    They are also in the process of replacing their older BMDs with new vehicles... including some ones that even an Mi-26 would struggle to carry...

    Planes are faster and can fly further.

    And more importantly they can get you to your landing zone faster and in a bigger group... which is rather important if the enemy decides to do something about it...

    Il-476s are getting missile defence equipment and will operate at an altitude where only some MANPADS could reach... and landing by parachute is probably not much more dangerous than landing on a beach... both are dangerous of course... but the whole point of having armoured vehicles is that you can be dropped out in the middle of nowhere where there will be very few enemy forces and even fewer air defence units. Once on the ground and formed up you then head to the target... most often a rear area airfield that you can then take relatively easily because it will be set up to defend from an air attack rather than a ground force attack. They don't have the most heavily protected vehicles but they are fast and mobile and have excellent fire power and optics and communications... once the airfield has been taken you can then use those Il-476s to land more armour... heavier armour... including Armata or Kurganets or Boomerang based vehicles to secure the airfield and expand the bridgehead.

    There might be situations where a helicopter based force could be used but the logistics would be a nightmare... they would need enormous numbers of helicopters... both transports and of course gunship support helicopters too... that would be super expensive... except for making a much smaller force mobile like a VDV spetsnaz team of 50-100 troops... you would probably get 6 troops into each vehicle so 10 to 20 transports and probably 40-60 attack helicopters for escorts... one Mi-26 can be used to set up a helicopter base anywhere they want... they tested that... so even for a small force you are going to need a hundred helicopters and that is ignoring supplies and weapons and equipment and also jammers and air cover...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:19 am

    Let's be honest here, this new Strela vehicle at best will only hold a niche roll, probably to enhance light-recon units like forward observers with the command to not engage OPFOR directly.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:19 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Let's be honest here, this new Strela vehicle at best will only hold a niche roll, probably to enhance light-recon units like forward observers with the command to not engage OPFOR directly. ...

    Nobody is expecting it to be anything more

    Why deliver a unit with a helicopter and then leave them to hike on foot when you can drop armoured vehicle for them in the same package?

    Same goes for any light unit, this thing offers far better protection than Toyota Hilux or GAZ Patriot

    I will never understand why people insist that military should have limited choice of vehicles or equipment, Soviet Army had that and they turned out to be trash (to surprise of absolutely no one)

    If you can give troops something better then do it

    We had this same argument when they started buying ATVs, snowmobiles and pick-ups



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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:29 pm

    It is to replace the UAZ light vehicle that has no armor protection.

    I guess the army did not like the SKORPION which was intended to replace the UAZ. This new STRELA looks like a better choice.

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