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    Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

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    Post  medo Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:35 am

    Isos wrote:It means they are short on such systems and use missiles that widely used.

    They should buy Sosna-R. Some 100-200 to give their SAM systems a chance to survive. Indian AD needs an upgrade and get bigger.

    Sosn-R and pantsir can solve this issue.

    India already chose Biho instead of Pantsir and Sosna.
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    Post  Isos Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:17 pm

    That's a SPAAG. They need a real SHORAD with good missiles.

    They will find out the mistake they made by buying this useless system, probably in a new mini conflict with Panistan, and will beg russians for 70 pantsirs in hurry.
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    Post  medo Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:43 pm

    India choose Biho instead of Pantsir, because by India's words it is better than Tunguska and Pantsir.
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    Post  Isos Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:47 pm

    medo wrote:India choose Biho instead of Pantsir, because by India's words it is better than Tunguska and Pantsir.

    They are corrupted, their words have no value. Just like Spice bombs were better than dumb bombs until they actually used them.

    Day will come they will beg for Pantsirs.
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    Post  Sujoy Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:16 pm

    medo wrote:Kornet is laser beam riding missile, so it looks back to launcher, not to the target. Countermeasures on helicopter will not work against Kornet. Also Kornet-EM is a new missile and it is made to engage flying targets like drones and helicopters. Don't forget, that Ataka have air defense version of missile with expanded rod fragmented warhead and proximity fuse. If Ataka could engage flying targets with laser beam riding missile, than Kornet could as well.
    Most current gen helicopter pilots practice low level approach, and use the popup maneuver for launching their air to ground missile, which have a roughly 3–4 miles range. Current gen helicopters has a tactical advantage of surprise as it can often evade radar by staying in the ground clutter until within weapon release range. This requires a Kornet EM ATGM operator to remain on alert and to have NVG working, and to anticipate the vector of approach, and then to get tone within 10 seconds.

    Smart mission management systems, which make use of digital  terrain  elevation  maps  and  radio  modems to  link  to  battlefield  intelligence  databases  and ISR  sensors  allows helicopter pilots to mark on the digital map, in colour, areas  where  the  helicopter  is  within  the  line  of sight of any specified point on the map. An operator can  thus  mark  the  known  location  of  a ATGM/MANPADS team or  machine  gun  nest and  then  use  terrain  masking  to  avoid  detection and  weapons  fire.

    medo wrote:India choose Biho instead of Pantsir, because by India's words it is better than Tunguska and Pantsir.
    No India didn't. K 30 Biho was simply tested along with Pantsir. India never purchased the K-30 Biho

    Existing 2K22 Tunguska, OSA AK, ZSU-23-4 Schilka SPAA and Strela has been upgraded and a surface to air version of ASTRA will make its debut soon.

    https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/odisha/2021/feb/22/maiden-test-of-vertically-launched-srsam-from-itr-off-odisha-coast-likely-today-2267271.html
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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:42 am

    Even if Kornet-EM is employed to engage air targets like helicopters chances are it will miss because platforms like helos apart from carrying several countermeasures are far more maneuverable than platforms like tanks or IFVs.

    Kornet uses an auto tracker and would be very hard to evade even in a helicopter... it is a rather fast missile and the 10km range model is designed for both ground and air targets.

    There are no known countermeasures to stop laser beam riding missiles... except detect the launch early and fly behind a tree or hill or building... which would not be easy.

    The R-73s are interesting... very potent missiles but ground launch would reduce their range. The last time I saw a ground launched model it had a solid rocket booster attached to restore flight performance but against a lot of targets that probably would not be needed.

    It has a good sized warhead designed to shoot down large aircraft so it would be a much more effective anti aircraft missile than a MANPADS in many situations.

    India already chose Biho instead of Pantsir and Sosna.

    The claimed reason for choosing Biho over Pantsir was that the former uses MANPADS with fire and forget missiles using IR seekers. I rather suspect the range was much shorter than the Pantsir but that didn't seem to matter.

    Most current gen helicopter pilots practice low level approach, and use the popup maneuver for launching their air to ground missile, which have a roughly 3–4 miles range. Current gen helicopters has a tactical advantage of surprise as it can often evade radar by staying in the ground clutter until within weapon release range. This requires a Kornet EM ATGM operator to remain on alert and to have NVG working, and to anticipate the vector of approach, and then to get tone within 10 seconds.

    Where possible helicopter pilots have always tried to operate in such a way but it does make them horribly vulnerable to small arms fire.

    Most attack helos have armoured front windscreens, but aircraft like the Apache with its huge side windows are not armoured at all and even assault rifle calibre rounds can penetrate like the 7.62 x 39mm AK round.

    Radar is almost never the problem for low flying helicopters because even with IR suppression systems they have 3,000+ HP GT engines that glow and their main rotor blades normally glow with heated leading edges just because of friction.

    A Kornet operator would hear a helicopter from enormous distances, and the guidance system uses state of the art 3rd gen thermal imagers that can detect and track helicopter targets at rather more than 10km range. There is no tone, it is not IR guided and the lock is achieved in the aiming system by locking the target with an autotracker... like the target framing on a digital camera in face detection mode... it is almost instant, so you could immediately launch on such a target.

    Smart mission management systems, which make use of digital terrain elevation maps and radio modems to link to battlefield intelligence databases and ISR sensors allows helicopter pilots to mark on the digital map, in colour, areas where the helicopter is within the line of sight of any specified point on the map. An operator can thus mark the known location of a ATGM/MANPADS team or machine gun nest and then use terrain masking to avoid detection and weapons fire.

    Kornets are man portable and are also mounted on armoured vehicles and Tigr light vehicles... it has no radar to give away its position so the first indication of its presence could be the impact of the missile.

    No India didn't. K 30 Biho was simply tested along with Pantsir. India never purchased the K-30 Biho

    So all the bollocks about the Biho being superior to the Pantsir was South Korean propaganda....

    I seem to remember the claims were fire and forget missiles and reduced vehicle weight over tunguska and pantsir... which is understandable... if you use a smaller lighter less capable gun and smaller lighter less capable and fewer missiles of course the system is going to be lighter...

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    Post  George1 Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:33 pm

    India reiterates its intention to replace T-72 tanks with "tanks of the future" FRCV
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    India has reiterated its plans to upgrade its fleet of armored vehicles. In the Indian edition of The Print, citing representatives of the high military command, it is reported that the Ministry of Defense is planning to purchase 1770 "tanks of the future. "

    The material noted that they intend to carry out the purchase until 2030. And the subject of the purchase is a promising FRCV armored vehicle, which, by and large, is a modular platform. One of its variants in India is going to be turned into the main battle tank of the Indian army.

    It is important to note that readiness to purchase 1770 FRCV in India is being said for which year. The first relevant statements were made back in 2015. In 2017, some details began to appear in the media, which indicated "the readiness to replace the T-72 tanks in the Indian armed forces with FRCVs."

    "Tanks of the future," as the Indian Defense Ministry calls them, are planned to be purchased from manufacturers "along with technology transfer, logistics, and an engineering support package." The very mention of technology transfer raised questions in the Indian expert community. One of them concerns whether this means that FRCVs may be foreign-made armored vehicles?

    The Ministry of Defense has not yet answered this question.

    At the same time, the terms of selection of potential suppliers-manufacturers of such equipment are indicated. The final decision is planned to be made by mid-September this year.

    Earlier, India announced its intention to purchase 350 light tanks, "which could be effectively used in mountainous areas, including Ladakh." Moreover, the T-72 and T-90 tanks, which the command placed in this region, were called "not quite suitable", although earlier in New Delhi they stated that they have undeniable advantages over the Chinese "mountain" Type 15 - and in terms of firepower, and security.

    The pricing parameters of the proposed contract "to replace the T-72" in India have not yet been reported.

    https://en.topwar.ru/183608-v-indii-vnov-zajavili-o-namerenijah-zamenit-tanki-t-72-tankami-buduschego-frcv.html

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