Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #1

I think there was needless duplication... Ataka would be sufficient for ground targets and slow aerial targets... or maybe I am just being fussy.

It would have been a completely new design... at a time when four new vehicle families were being introduced. It would just make more sense to incorporate its ideas in some of the new vehicles.

the whole idea of the new vehicles is to reduce logistics so for this vehicle to do better you would need a unit consisting entirely of this vehicle type... it was not a jack of all trades vehicle which means you would need to develop a whole family based on that chassis... and I think from what I have seen so far the Kurganets already looks better... the Stalker had no Shtora, nor APS and from memory looked like some sort of foam plastic hull material instead of NERA or ERA.

http://xn--80ahclcogc6ci4h.xn--90anlfbebar6i.xn--p1ai/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery

does anyone know details for the gun of Boomerang?

George1 wrote:does anyone know details for the gun of Boomerang?

Looks like KPVT 14.5mm.

Werewolf wrote:

George1 wrote:does anyone know details for the gun of Boomerang?

Looks like KPVT 14.5mm.

Unfortunately no. Just the anemic(for APCs) NSVT. Hopefully a KPVT RWS will arrive later. Or some bonehead decided 12,7mm is poweful enough.

Werewolf wrote:

George1 wrote:does anyone know details for the gun of Boomerang?

Looks like KPVT 14.5mm.

That photo is not a KPVT 14.5mm.t is a 12.7mm (50 cal.)

TheArmenian wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

George1 wrote:does anyone know details for the gun of Boomerang?

Looks like KPVT 14.5mm.

That photo is not a KPVT 14.5mm.t is a 12.7mm (50 cal.)

Ups, linked the wrong one.

Both Kord-T and 2A42 in two iterations. One Epoha 'lite' turret. The other the generally solid but cumbersome (for such system) RWS displayed about 2 years ago.

Right now i am much more impressed with Kurganetz 25 BMP and T-15 BMP.

Just look at the protection and APS coverage, every damn side is covered against horizontal deployed weapons aswell as Top attack weapons, fitted with ERA and a damn nice set of Targeting systems, Laser Warning recievers and not to mention it has Okhotnik Image processing system to automatically track and lockon targets. I am drooling over T-15 and Kurganetz, but not so much over T-14.

Just look at the APS coverage.





Red = Radar
Purple = APS tubes against vertical attacks
Blue = APS system against Top attacks and rear attacks
Yellow = Laser Warning Reciever
Dark Green = Moveable Smoke Grenade Launchers
Bright Green = some protective System that was installed on T-80UD if i remember correctly, but someone has to point it out for me, don't remember much about it.

Bumerang BMP

Werewolf wrote:Right now i am much more impressed with Kurganetz 25 BMP and T-15 BMP.

Just look at the protection and APS coverage, every damn side is covered against horizontal deployed weapons aswell as Top attack weapons, fitted with ERA and a damn nice set of Targeting systems, Laser Warning recievers and not to mention it has Okhotnik Image processing system to automatically track and lockon targets. I am drooling over T-15 and Kurganetz, but not so much over T-14.

Just look at the APS coverage.



Red = Radar
Purple = APS tubes against vertical attacks
Blue = APS system against Top attacks and rear attacks
Yellow = Laser Warning Reciever
Dark Green = Moveable Smoke Grenade Launchers
Bright Green = some protective System that was installed on T-80UD if i remember correctly, but someone has to point it out for me, don't remember much about it.

Arena on T-80UM-1

Khepesh wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Right now i am much more impressed with Kurganetz 25 BMP and T-15 BMP.

Just look at the protection and APS coverage, every damn side is covered against horizontal deployed weapons aswell as Top attack weapons, fitted with ERA and a damn nice set of Targeting systems, Laser Warning recievers and not to mention it has Okhotnik Image processing system to automatically track and lockon targets. I am drooling over T-15 and Kurganetz, but not so much over T-14.

Just look at the APS coverage.



Red = Radar
Purple = APS tubes against vertical attacks
Blue = APS system against Top attacks and rear attacks
Yellow = Laser Warning Reciever
Dark Green = Moveable Smoke Grenade Launchers
Bright Green = some protective System that was installed on T-80UD if i remember correctly, but someone has to point it out for me, don't remember much about it.

Arena on T-80UM-1

RLS?

Turret of T-15 and Boomerang - Boomerang-M:

Werewolf wrote:

Khepesh wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Right now i am much more impressed with Kurganetz 25 BMP and T-15 BMP.

Just look at the protection and APS coverage, every damn side is covered against horizontal deployed weapons aswell as Top attack weapons, fitted with ERA and a damn nice set of Targeting systems, Laser Warning recievers and not to mention it has Okhotnik Image processing system to automatically track and lockon targets. I am drooling over T-15 and Kurganetz, but not so much over T-14.

Just look at the APS coverage.



Red = Radar
Purple = APS tubes against vertical attacks
Blue = APS system against Top attacks and rear attacks
Yellow = Laser Warning Reciever
Dark Green = Moveable Smoke Grenade Launchers
Bright Green = some protective System that was installed on T-80UD if i remember correctly, but someone has to point it out for me, don't remember much about it.

Arena on T-80UM-1

RLS?

"Jack in the box" munitions activated by radar, same as on BMP-3

And where are the launchers for the top attack APS? And the "low" angle doesn't cover the top of the vehicle.
I am disappointed.

Strizh wrote:And where are the launchers for the top attack APS? And the "low" angle doesn't cover the top of the vehicle.
I am disappointed.

http://www.niistali.ru/products/nauka/protection/uplook_protection/

КОМПЛЕКС ЗАЩИТЫ ВЕРХНЕЙ ПОЛУСФЕРЫ (КЗВП)

Принцип действия комплекса основан на обнаружении подлетающего высокоточного боеприпаса, поражающего с верхней полусферы, и нарушения работы его системы наведения либо мощным электромагнитным импульсом, либо созданием над защищаемым объектом многоспектрального аэрозольного облака и ложных ИК-целей.

COMPLEX PROTECTION OF THE UPPER HEMISPHERE (CSWP)

The principle of operation is based on the detection of an incoming high-precision munition, striking with the upper hemisphere, and disrupting its guidance system or a powerful electromagnetic pulse, or on a securable multi-spectral aerosol cloud and a false thermal targets.

^Great again a system which «Не имеющий аналогов в мире» and will work as good as smoke screens against modern ATGMs...
What a crap, promised an APS system build a smoke screen launcher

Boomerang with 30mm:

Strizh wrote:^Great again a system which «Не имеющий аналогов в мире» and will work as good as smoke screens against modern ATGMs...
What a crap, promised an APS system build a smoke screen launcher

Well, such a system will break guidance of any IIR/IR guided missile, but Laser Beam riders are still a threat and they easily to manufactor and much cheaper, i hope they will change that later, shouldn't be hard to develop APS vertical launchers right where the vertical smoke grenade launchers are with the T-80#UM1 Arena Radar pointing upwards, like it was seen on T-15 (which pointed forward) it should actually cover enough top hemisphere to actually deal with top attack weapons.

Werewolf wrote:

Strizh wrote:^Great again a system which «Не имеющий аналогов в мире» and will work as good as smoke screens against modern ATGMs...
What a crap, promised an APS system build a smoke screen launcher

Well, such a system will break guidance of any IIR/IR guided missile, but Laser Beam riders are still a threat and they easily to manufactor and much cheaper, i hope they will change that later, shouldn't be hard to develop APS vertical launchers right where the vertical smoke grenade launchers are with the T-80#UM1 Arena Radar pointing upwards, like it was seen on T-15 (which pointed forward) it should actually cover enough top hemisphere to actually deal with top attack weapons.

I seriously can't understand why they didn't implement an anti top attack APS system. And no the radars on the T15 are to low for top attack weapons, I've watched some videos and the incoming missiles are almost vertical - 80°.

A huge disappointment

Strizh wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Strizh wrote:^Great again a system which «Не имеющий аналогов в мире» and will work as good as smoke screens against modern ATGMs...
What a crap, promised an APS system build a smoke screen launcher

Well, such a system will break guidance of any IIR/IR guided missile, but Laser Beam riders are still a threat and they easily to manufactor and much cheaper, i hope they will change that later, shouldn't be hard to develop APS vertical launchers right where the vertical smoke grenade launchers are with the T-80#UM1 Arena Radar pointing upwards, like it was seen on T-15 (which pointed forward) it should actually cover enough top hemisphere to actually deal with top attack weapons.

I seriously can't understand why they didn't implement an anti top attack APS system. And no the radars on the T15 are to low for top attack weapons, I've watched some videos and the incoming missiles are almost vertical - 80°.

A huge disappointment  

I still suspect that for top attack they have those flat panels covered with a sheet connected with a wire, that are pointing upwards in 45-60° angle which could work against top attack weapons, the explosion should be big enough to kill them.

Marked in blue.

Strizh wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Strizh wrote:^Great again a system which «Не имеющий аналогов в мире» and will work as good as smoke screens against modern ATGMs...
What a crap, promised an APS system build a smoke screen launcher

Well, such a system will break guidance of any IIR/IR guided missile, but Laser Beam riders are still a threat and they easily to manufactor and much cheaper, i hope they will change that later, shouldn't be hard to develop APS vertical launchers right where the vertical smoke grenade launchers are with the T-80#UM1 Arena Radar pointing upwards, like it was seen on T-15 (which pointed forward) it should actually cover enough top hemisphere to actually deal with top attack weapons.

I seriously can't understand why they didn't implement an anti top attack APS system. And no the radars on the T15 are to low for top attack weapons, I've watched some videos and the incoming missiles are almost vertical - 80°.

A huge disappointment  

How are they Low?

See how the Trophy is implemented. It isn't low at all, it is actually prepositionned for top attack.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Strizh wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Strizh wrote:^Great again a system which «Не имеющий аналогов в мире» and will work as good as smoke screens against modern ATGMs...
What a crap, promised an APS system build a smoke screen launcher

Well, such a system will break guidance of any IIR/IR guided missile, but Laser Beam riders are still a threat and they easily to manufactor and much cheaper, i hope they will change that later, shouldn't be hard to develop APS vertical launchers right where the vertical smoke grenade launchers are with the T-80#UM1 Arena Radar pointing upwards, like it was seen on T-15 (which pointed forward) it should actually cover enough top hemisphere to actually deal with top attack weapons.

I seriously can't understand why they didn't implement an anti top attack APS system. And no the radars on the T15 are to low for top attack weapons, I've watched some videos and the incoming missiles are almost vertical - 80°.

A huge disappointment  

How are they Low?

See how the Trophy is implemented. It isn't low at all, it is actually prepositionned for top attack.

The radar has a too low angle for recognizing top attack missiles:

Strizh wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Strizh wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Strizh wrote:^Great again a system which «Не имеющий аналогов в мире» and will work as good as smoke screens against modern ATGMs...
What a crap, promised an APS system build a smoke screen launcher

Well, such a system will break guidance of any IIR/IR guided missile, but Laser Beam riders are still a threat and they easily to manufactor and much cheaper, i hope they will change that later, shouldn't be hard to develop APS vertical launchers right where the vertical smoke grenade launchers are with the T-80#UM1 Arena Radar pointing upwards, like it was seen on T-15 (which pointed forward) it should actually cover enough top hemisphere to actually deal with top attack weapons.

I seriously can't understand why they didn't implement an anti top attack APS system. And no the radars on the T15 are to low for top attack weapons, I've watched some videos and the incoming missiles are almost vertical - 80°.

A huge disappointment  

How are they Low?

See how the Trophy is implemented. It isn't low at all, it is actually prepositionned for top attack.

The radar has a too low angle for recognizing top attack missiles:

Do actually understand that top attack missiles need to be fired at some point? How do you think the Merkava does it to point the tank vs the source of fire? It's called a radar...

Height reference...