Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    avatar
    mnztr

    Posts : 317
    Points : 339
    Join date : 2018-01-21

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  mnztr on Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:11 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:just for info, sorry its the Su-30 MKI but interesting read.


    https://hushkit.net/2019/07/20/flying-fighting-in-the-sukhoi-su-30-flanker-a-pilot-interview/

    One of the most intersting pilot interviews I have read. The way the IAF exploits the SU-30 is pretty unique, with a WSO. This is similar to how the F-4 and F-14 were operated. Is there a reason why India choses this very unique approach? I think they wanted a dual seat PAK FA as well.
    avatar
    mnztr

    Posts : 317
    Points : 339
    Join date : 2018-01-21

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  mnztr on Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:16 am

    I think the SU upgrade is to give an option for foreign customers to upgrade their SU fleets.The Red will have some squadrons but I think this is just to prove the platform to potential buyers. Also not everyone can afford the SU-35
    Isos
    Isos

    Posts : 5252
    Points : 5244
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:44 am

    All su-30 are dual seat. It makes the work easier for multi role aircraft. Pilot can fly and look at potebtiak threats outsude whike the weapon officer look at its board and do the work.

    The upgrade is mostly to bring the su-30 to su-35 level because it start to became outdated. With its huge rcs it is detectable at max range of any radar in service whike its own radar is not tge best russian have. I'm not sure but mki radar is not the same as SM radar in terms of range and ECCM. An upgraded radar would also make possible the use of log range missiles like rvv-sd(120km) or r-37(300km).
    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon

    Posts : 8953
    Points : 9035
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:47 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:just for info, sorry its the Su-30 MKI but interesting read.


    https://hushkit.net/2019/07/20/flying-fighting-in-the-sukhoi-su-30-flanker-a-pilot-interview/

    One of the most intersting pilot interviews I have read. The way the IAF exploits the SU-30 is pretty unique, with a WSO. This is similar to how the F-4 and F-14 were operated. Is there a reason why India choses this very unique approach? I think they wanted a dual seat PAK FA as well.


    India wanted stealth nuclear bomber hence the second seat for weapons officer

    Second seat on Su-57 is redundant for anything else

    magnumcromagnon
    magnumcromagnon

    Posts : 5768
    Points : 5919
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:just for info, sorry its the Su-30 MKI but interesting read.


    https://hushkit.net/2019/07/20/flying-fighting-in-the-sukhoi-su-30-flanker-a-pilot-interview/

    One of the most intersting pilot interviews I have read. The way the IAF exploits the SU-30 is pretty unique, with a WSO. This is similar to how the F-4 and F-14 were operated. Is there a reason why India choses this very unique approach? I think they wanted a dual seat PAK FA as well.


    India wanted stealth nuclear bomber hence the second seat for weapons officer

    Second seat on Su-57 is redundant for anything else


    Not necessarily, the successor to the Hellduck (likely designated Su-62/64) not only would it have a 2nd seat, it'll probably likely have 3 or 4 seats for the drone controlling part of the plane, imagine how many drones could be controlled with a dedicated command post built into the aircraft? That functionality apparently already exists in the A-50/100 flying radars.
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 24348
    Points : 24890
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:11 am

    All su-30 are dual seat. It makes the work easier for multi role aircraft. Pilot can fly and look at potebtiak threats outsude whike the weapon officer look at its board and do the work.

    The upgrade is mostly to bring the su-30 to su-35 level because it start to became outdated. With its huge rcs it is detectable at max range of any radar in service whike its own radar is not tge best russian have. I'm not sure but mki radar is not the same as SM radar in terms of range and ECCM. An upgraded radar would also make possible the use of log range missiles like rvv-sd(120km) or r-37(300km).

    As a defensive aircraft however is RCS even relevant when it will be using its radar to detect threats and targets... or it might operate based on ground based radar and sensors and airborne radar in AWACS platform and no emit any signal at all so enemy platforms could only locate it by using their radar and revealing their location to the radar silent Flanker...

    It is a large aircraft so you can fit a big radar and lots of missiles... both of which are valuable... it is probably every bit as manouverable or more so than the primary western fighter... the F-35, and more space for bigger radar... more missiles, and more fuel... trading missile for missile the Su-30 is always going to win there... and in a gun fight I would suspect the Su-30 is not the worst aircraft to turn and burn...

    For many roles like patrolling airspace or even interception it is a fine aircraft that stealth would not improve... it would only make them more expensive to buy and to maintain and to operate.

    Second seat on Su-57 is redundant for anything else

    The advantage of glass cockpits is that it hides unimportant information from the pilot so he can concentrate on the job at hand. All information is available in other screens, but the most important and relevant is put before the pilots eyes at any one time.

    The AI system for the Su-57 basically manages menial and mechanical things that need to be done but don't require the pilots attention, so he can focus on the job at hand... information is shared in the network so other platforms benefit from the sensors and weapons on the aircraft in the location it is in.

    Not necessarily, the successor to the Hellduck (likely designated Su-62/64) not only would it have a 2nd seat, it'll probably likely have 3 or 4 seats for the drone controlling part of the plane, imagine how many drones could be controlled with a dedicated command post built into the aircraft? That functionality apparently already exists in the A-50/100 flying radars.

    Swarm technology drones are not remote controlled and will be given waypoints and modes of operation but wont need continuous monitoring or control.

    Their first two seat to control a drone would be the Ka-52... inside enemy territory it could launch a drone from a container under its wing that can fly over trees or into a valley to look for targets or threats and send back a signal... they could even just orbit the helicopter itself and just climb up in a spiral to get height to see targets located all around and to find threats... it could lase targets for all sorts of guided weapons the Ka-52 could be carrying or target information could just be passed up to HQ for an air strike or artillery strike while the Ka-52 commands the drone it launched to crash in to a nearby air defence vehicle to destroy it and then leave the area quietly...

    It would make more sense to use an aircraft like a Tu-214 to monitor drones... hell the Tu-22M3 already has four seats and the new Tu-22M3M gets rid of two seats because of the automated attack and self defence systems makes bomb aimers and ESM operators redundant... perhaps they could use the two extra crew positions for drone operations and perhaps weapon aiming pods to mark individual targets with a laser for engagement from high altitude...
    avatar
    owais.usmani

    Posts : 270
    Points : 270
    Join date : 2019-03-27
    Age : 34

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  owais.usmani on Fri May 15, 2020 8:54 pm

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Bomba_10

    Sukhoi Su-30SM fighter-bomber loaded with an IAB-500 bomb, designed to simulate an izdeliye 244N tactical nuclear bomb
    avatar
    mnztr

    Posts : 317
    Points : 339
    Join date : 2018-01-21

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  mnztr on Mon May 18, 2020 3:51 pm

    Strange that the bomb is so far to the rear of the plane.
    kvs
    kvs

    Posts : 6196
    Points : 6331
    Join date : 2014-09-11
    Location : Canuckistan

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  kvs on Mon May 18, 2020 4:40 pm

    mnztr wrote:Strange that the bomb is so far to the rear of the plane.

    Looks to me that it could easily carry two of them so that we are seeing only one in the photograph.

    Isos
    Isos

    Posts : 5252
    Points : 5244
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Mon May 18, 2020 4:49 pm

    There is no point in using a free fall bomb as a nuclear weapon. Cruise missiles are better and gives you more chances to reach a target than a su-30.
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 24348
    Points : 24890
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 19, 2020 11:27 am

    Aircraft delivered bombs you can change your mind right up until the last minute, and of course an Aircraft can defend itself with missiles and electronics.. imagine the issues if one of the 73 American missiles shot down over Syria was a nuke...

    Cruise missiles are capable and useful but manned aircraft still make sense.

    The location of the bomb in this case is fairly normal... there are two weapon pylons between the engines that can carry weapons... it could carry another weapon in front of the one shown if needs be...

    Sponsored content

    Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 38 Empty Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Mon May 25, 2020 7:37 am