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    Post  ult Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:50 pm

    franco wrote:Article and pictures of new Su-30SM's at Millerovo;
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1567370.html

    3 more should arrive soon with a total of 12 more by year's end.

    EDIT: with 39 delivered to date and another 12 to be by year's end, that would mean 51 delivered out of 60 ordered by the end of 2015.

    Not total of 12, but 12 more on top of those that arrived already.
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    Post  franco Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:59 pm

    3 more should arrive soon with a total of 12 more by year's end.

    Believe MORE was the operative word there Wink
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    Post  ult Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:24 pm

    franco wrote:3 more should arrive soon with a total of 12 more by year's end.

    Believe MORE was the operative word there  Wink

    В ближайшее время в состав 31-го полка в Миллерово должны перелететь еще три готовых истребителя Су-30СМ с красными бортовыми номерами "01" (серийный номер 1207, совершил первый полет в Иркутске 17 мая 2015 года), "02" (серийный номер 1208, первый полет 19 мая) и "06" (серийный номер 1212, первый полет 19 августа). Кроме того, по известным данным, до конца 2015 года в Миллерово будет поставлено еще 12 Су-30СМ новой постройки, из которых, по сообщениям споттеров, на настоящее время в Иркутске на этапе летных испытаний находятся уже шесть самолетов (серийные номера с 1215 по 1220).

    That is right now there are 03, 04, 05, 07, 08. Soon 01 (S/N 1207), 02 (S/N 1208) and 06 (S/N 1212) will arrive as well. Furthermore, as it is known, by they year end Millerovo will receive 12 additional Su-30SM, out of which 6 planes have already made first flights in Irkutsk, serial numbers 1215, 1216, 1217, 1218, 1219, 1220.

    That means they still believe that NAPO will produce 29 Su-30SM like they planned last year. But this year they were talking about 27 planes. We will see what the number will be.
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    Post  medo Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:57 pm

    ^^^ So in Millerovo air base RuAF will receive 20 Su-30SM this year and NAVY received 5 Su-30SM this year, what bring to 25 Su-30SM delivered to Russian MoD this year. With 4 for Kazakhstan, this will be 29 Su-30SM produced in this year. Not that bad at all. Next year Irkut could produce more than 30 Su-30SM. Now it will be a good question of how many Su-30SM will have regiment in Millerovo. If they will have 2 squadrons like in Domna, than they will have to receive 4 Su-30SM next year. But if they will have 3 squadrons, than they will receive 16 additional Su-30SM next year. If we count here a full naval squadron of 12 Su-30SM in Crimea, than at the end on the next year will be 48 Su-30SM  and 60 Su-34 around Ukraine.

    Where are stationed 4 Su-30SM from last year, which were for some time also stationed in Domna, but were additional to 24 from the regiment? If they will be also stationed in Millerovo, than this regiment will have full 2 squadrons already in this year.
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    Post  ult Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:10 pm

    medo wrote:^^^ So in Millerovo air base RuAF will receive 20 Su-30SM this year and NAVY received 5 Su-30SM this year, what bring to 25 Su-30SM delivered to Russian MoD this year. With 4 for Kazakhstan, this will be 29 Su-30SM produced in this year. Not that bad at all. Next year Irkut could produce more than 30 Su-30SM. Now it will be a good question of how many Su-30SM will have regiment in Millerovo. If they will have 2 squadrons like in Domna, than they will have to receive 4 Su-30SM next year. But if they will have 3 squadrons, than they will receive 16 additional Su-30SM next year. If we count here a full naval squadron of 12 Su-30SM in Crimea, than at the end on the next year will be 48 Su-30SM  and 60 Su-34 around Ukraine.

    Where are stationed 4 Su-30SM from last year, which were for some time also stationed in Domna, but were additional to 24 from the regiment? If they will be also stationed in Millerovo, than this regiment will have full 2 squadrons already in this year.

    By the end of 2016 Millerovo will have 24 Su-30SM and 12 Su-35S. After that their rearmament will be complete.

    4 Su-30SM that were delivered in 2014 are serving in Dzemgi Khabarovsk region as 2 seaters alongside Su-35S.
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    Post  George1 Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:51 pm

    ult wrote:

    4 Su-30SM that were delivered in 2014 are serving in Dzemgi Khabarovsk region as 2 seaters alongside Su-35S.

    i think the Su-30s that serving alongside the Su-35s as trainers are Su-30M2 not Su-30SM. There have been ordered 20. 4 are serving alongside Su-27SM3. The rest 16 alongside the 48 Su-35s. That is 4 trainers along with 12 fighters
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    Post  medo Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:57 pm

    George1 wrote:
    ult wrote:

    4 Su-30SM that were delivered in 2014 are serving in Dzemgi Khabarovsk region as 2 seaters alongside Su-35S.

    i think the Su-30s that serving alongside the Su-35s as trainers are Su-30M2 not Su-30SM. There have been ordered 20. 4 are serving alongside Su-27SM3. The rest 16 alongside the 48 Su-35s. That is 4 trainers along with 12 fighters

    No, all Su-30M2 serve together with Su-27SM3 in Krymsk air base and with Su-27SM in Vladivostok and some in Belbek air base in Crimea. They don't have all 30 Su-30M2 yet, I think they will receive 4 or 5 of them in this year to finish the order.
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    Post  ult Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:18 pm

    George1 wrote:
    ult wrote:

    4 Su-30SM that were delivered in 2014 are serving in Dzemgi Khabarovsk region as 2 seaters alongside Su-35S.

    i think the Su-30s that serving alongside the Su-35s as trainers are Su-30M2 not Su-30SM. There have been ordered 20. 4 are serving alongside Su-27SM3. The rest 16 alongside the 48 Su-35s. That is 4 trainers along with 12 fighters

    There are 4 Su-30SM in Dzemgi. Numbers 14, 15, 16 , 17. https://vk.com/su30_family

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    Post  artjomh Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:23 pm

    ult wrote:By the end of 2016 Millerovo will have 24 Su-30SM and 12 Su-35S. After that their rearmament will be complete.

    Which is ironic, since Su-27UB in line units used to be mainly for squadron commanders, so there would be only 3-4 per regiment. Now it's the opposite.

    The TO&E in IAPs is completely disorganised seemingly.
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    Post  franco Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:44 pm

    ult wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    ult wrote:

    4 Su-30SM that were delivered in 2014 are serving in Dzemgi Khabarovsk region as 2 seaters alongside Su-35S.

    i think the Su-30s that serving alongside the Su-35s as trainers are Su-30M2 not Su-30SM. There have been ordered 20. 4 are serving alongside Su-27SM3. The rest 16 alongside the 48 Su-35s. That is 4 trainers along with 12 fighters

    There are 4 Su-30SM in Dzemgi. Numbers 14, 15, 16 , 17. https://vk.com/su30_family

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    There are 4 30SM's in Dzemgi and this week 9 Su-35's and 3 Su-30SM's participated as a squadron in ground attack training. Have never read it anywhere but I believe they are still working out some bugs in the Su-35's.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:01 pm

    What kinda bugs if you may know?
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    Post  franco Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:46 pm

    Don't... but operational status has been slow in coming.
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    Post  medo Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:43 pm

    Most probably it is about armament integration. Su-35 comes to units before they receive their basic armament, which are R-77-1 and R-37M missiles. Most probably bugs are in integration of R-37M missiles and L-band AESA complex, which are totally new and no plane have them before. Successful integration will be also important for PAK FA, which also use them both. Su-30SM doesn't have them, so all armament is already integrated in it and with that fully operational.
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:48 am

    The R-77-1 has only just been ordered...we'll probably see it in 2016
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    Post  Berkut Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:57 pm

    Some R-77-1's are already delivered to atleast one MiG-31BM unit...
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    Post  medo Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:57 pm

    Berkut wrote:Some R-77-1's are already delivered to atleast one MiG-31BM unit...

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    It seems Su-35 unit also get them.
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    Post  Berkut Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:24 pm

    I guess plasma stealth is turned on. AKU-170 =/= R-77-1. And i am aware some Su-35S' has been flying with them since summer.
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:30 pm

    Berkut wrote:Some R-77-1's are already delivered to atleast one MiG-31BM unit...

    Nice to hear....is that based on the pic of the MiG-31 with the new pylons?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:14 am

    Austin posted a link to Takeoff magazine that from memory stated the RVV-SD were in production and service but that the RVV-MD needed extra work.

    SD is R-77 and MD is R-74.

    My understanding is that they are having problems with the IIR seeker and datalink of the R-74.
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    Post  medo Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:11 pm

    GarryB wrote:Austin posted a link to Takeoff magazine that from memory stated the RVV-SD were in production and service but that the RVV-MD needed extra work.

    SD is R-77 and MD is R-74.

    My understanding is that they are having problems with the IIR seeker and datalink of the R-74.

    AFAIK Russia have to replace IR seeker in R-74 from Ukraine with domestic one, which is developed in company in Azov. They sid, that replacement with new domestic seeker was successful and that production will start next year. R-77-1 and I think R-37M are already in production and I think first batches of at least R-77-1 were delivered, most probably for integration on fighters.
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    Post  Berkut Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:11 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Berkut wrote:Some R-77-1's are already delivered to atleast one MiG-31BM unit...

    Nice to hear....is that based on the pic of the MiG-31 with the new pylons?

    It is based on information from a MiG-31BM pilot that has seen them himself.
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    Post  jhelb Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:53 pm

    Berkut wrote:I guess plasma stealth is turned on. AKU-170 =/= R-77-1. And i am aware some Su-35S' has been flying with them since summer.

    Do you have any write up on Plasma Stealth in either Russian or English? Спасибо
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    Post  medo Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:22 pm

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1587759.html

    Looks like Su-30SM in Syria get RVV-MD missiles. I hope they will also get R-77-1 too.
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    Post  Arrow Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:30 pm

    This is R-73 missile.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:39 pm

    Arrow wrote:This is R-73 missile.

    ^Yup.

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