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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:50 am

    GarryB wrote:The vendetta on this forum against MiG is amusing...

    what vendetta? MiGs simply are not built anymore neither for Russian AF nor for Navy for years. They are old, worse then Sukhois and that's why being gradually replaced. That's natural process. Shitty priority bases let them "die gracefully" by tainign new pilots. yes sir yes sir yes sir

    Well if Russia some day needs light fighter perhaps VSTOL populates MiGs niche.



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    Post  franco Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:08 pm

    The 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment in Kursk received another Su-30SM fighter

    The new Su-30SM fighter (airborne number "61 red") built by the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAP) of PJSC "Irkut Corporation", arrived in the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 105th mixed aviation division of the 6th Leningrad Red Banner Army of the Air Force and air defense of the Western Military District at the Khalino airfield (Kursk). 30.11.2018 (c) Russian Ministry of Defense

    According to Alexei Ivanov, the commander of the fighter who arrived in the Kursk region, who made a flight more than 5 thousand km long from the airfield of the Irkut manufacturer, they also received and tested all aircraft systems at the plant, as well as the first overflight of the fighter.
    “Everything went in a regular mode, although the weather did not please everyone everywhere, but the aircraft was weatherproof and copes well in any zone. Soon we will complete the acquisition of the second squadron and at the end of the year we will carry out another stage. It will be a big celebration for the whole regiment, ”added Ivanov.

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    Thus, the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 105th Mixed Aviation Division of the 6th Leningrad Red Banner Army Air Force and Air Defense of the Western Military District at the airfield of Khalino (Kursk) entered the regiment with the former MiG-29SMT fighter regiment another Su-30SM fighter built for the Russian Aerospace Forces at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAP) of the Irkut Corporation PJSC (part of the United Aircraft Building Corporation JSC) and made an independent flight from Irkutsk. Ortovy number "61 red" (alleged serial number 10MK5 1601). The airborne numbers and inscriptions on the aircraft are printed according to the new standard scheme for the Russian Aerospace System, which looks very awkward.

    Earlier, in 2018, ten new Su-30SM fighter jets, built for the Russian Armed Flight Forces at the IAP for defense orders in 2018, arrived on the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment in Kursk. On April 27, four fighters with red side numbers from 51 to 54 "(serial numbers from 10MK5 1509 to 10MK5 1512), on July 3, two more aircraft arrived with red onboard numbers" 55 "and" 56 "(estimated serial numbers 10MK5 1515 and 10MK5 1516), and on September 8, four fighters with red onboard numbers "57", "58", "59" and "60" (RF-8 registration numbers 1768, RF-81769, RF-81770 and RF-81771, respectively, the estimated serial numbers from 10MK5 1517 to 10MK5 1520). In addition, in 2017, the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment received 12 Su-30SM fighters built by IAP (red side numbers from "71" to "82"), which made it possible to rearm one regiment squadron from MiG-29SMT fighter jets. Now the re-equipment of the Su-30SM and the second squadron is being completed. The total number of Su-30SM in the regiment has reached 23 units, and by the end of the year another aircraft will be completed to complete the two-squadron regiment.

    Recall that in total, since 2012, 116 Su-30SM aircraft have been contracted for the Russian Ministry of Defense, of which 88 were originally reported for the Russian Air Force (WKS), and another 28 for the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy. Taking into account the new fighters received, the Russian Aerospace Forces under the signed contracts have thus received a total of 91 Su-30SM fighters so far, and Naval Aviation - 22. Another eight Su-30SM fighters were delivered to Kazakhstan in 2015-2017.

    Earlier, former Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Yuri Borisov said that the IAZ production program provides for the delivery of 14 Su-30SM airplanes to the Ministry of Defense in 2018, including 12 for the VKS, and two for Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy. Thus, to date, according to the 2018 program, IAZ delivered the VKS 11 Su-30SM airplanes, and two aircraft, the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy (the last two with blue side numbers "76" and "77" arrived on July 1 to the 72nd aviation Baltic Fleet aviation base at the Chernyakhovsk airfield in the Kaliningrad region).
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    Post  franco Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:18 pm

    From above, it appears like the 116 order is going to be 92 (1 lost) for the Air Force and 24 for the Navy.
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    Post  medo Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:16 pm

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    Su-30SM in Kursk regiment are receiving ECM pods.
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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:59 pm

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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:27 pm

    The last Su-30SM fighter for state defense order 2018 has been delivered to the Russian Aerospace Forces


    According to the spotters, on December 20-22, 2018, from Irkutsk to the location of the Khalino airfield (Kursk) flew a Su-30SM fighter jet with a tail number "62 red" (registration number RF-61773, serial number 10МК5 1602) - the the last fighter of this type, built at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAZ) of PJSC Irkut Corporation (part of United Aircraft Corporation JSC) for the state defense order in 2018. In total, the company delivered in 2018 to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation 14 Su-30SM, including 12 VKS Russia and two - for Russian Navy aviation.

    This fighter with hull number "62 Red" became part of the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 105th Mixed Aviation Division of the 6th Leningrad Red Banner Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Western Military District at the airfield of Khalino (Kursk) as part of the rearmament of the regiment with the former " Algerian "MiG-29SMT fighters.

    Earlier, in 2018, 11 new Su-30SM fighter jets, built for the Russian Aerospace Forces at the IAP for defense orders in 2018, arrived on the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment in Kursk. On April 27, four fighters with red side numbers from 51 to 54 "(serial numbers from 10MK5 1509 to 10MK5 1512), on July 3, two more aircraft arrived with red onboard numbers" 55 "and" 56 "(estimated serial numbers 10MK5 1515 and 10MK5 1516), on September 8, four fighters with red board numbers "57", "58", "59" and "60" (registration numbers RF-81768, RF-8176 9, RF-81770 and RF-81771, respectively, the estimated serial numbers from 10MK5 1517 to 10MK5 1520), and on November 30, a fighter with a tail number "61 red" (serial number 10MK5 1601) arrived. In addition, in 2017, the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment received 12 Su-30SM fighters built by the IAP (red side numbers from "71" to "82"), which made it possible to re-equip one regiment squadron from MiG-29SMT fighters. Now the total number of Su-30SM in the regiment has reached 24 and the staffing of the regiment of two squadrons has been completed.

    Recall that in total since 2012, 116 Su-30SM aircraft were contracted for the Ministry of Defense of Russia, of which the Russian Aerospace Forces under the signed contracts have thus received a total of 92 Su-30SM fighters, and Naval Aviation - 22.

    In total, according to the 2018 program, IAZ delivered 12 airplanes of the Su-30SM aircraft to the VKS, and two aircraft — Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy (the last two with blue side numbers “76” and “77” arrived on July 1 at the 72nd aviation base of the Baltic Fleet Chernyakhovsk airfield in the Kaliningrad region).

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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:41 pm

    so next year will be delivered only 2? Question
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    Post  ult Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:17 pm

    George1 wrote:so next year will be delivered only 2? Question

    Have you missed them signing a new contract? Even though it wasn't officially announced you can be sure that there are more coming.

    +36.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3308751.html
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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:49 pm

    George1 wrote:so next year will be delivered only 2? Question


    2 are pending for next year, but a new contract will be signed soon

    The number to deliver next year probably will be about 14 again, the first 4 for Navy (to complete Kaliningrad squadron) an about 10 for VKS (4 or 5 are necesary to complete Millerovo regiment, also necesary several "two seats" for Besovets Su-35 regiment, and is not discardable a couple more for Lipestk)
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    Post  medo Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:48 pm

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    Five early RuAF Su-30 are now in Krasnodar ARZ for overhaul and possible modernization. They could be easily upgraded to Su-30KN standard. Together with 6 ex-Indian Su-30K in Belarus, they could form another squadron. I wonder, who could be a buyer. RuAF doesn't need them as they have far more modern Su-30SM.
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    Post  marcellogo Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:49 pm

    medo wrote:Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 37 Zcvhv110

    Five early RuAF Su-30 are now in Krasnodar ARZ for overhaul and possible modernization. They could be easily upgraded to Su-30KN standard. Together with 6 ex-Indian Su-30K in Belarus, they could form another squadron. I wonder, who could be a buyer. RuAF doesn't need them as they have far more modern Su-30SM.

    Interesting, I though former baseline Su-30 were written away.
    Could them be used together with MK2 or is a completely different standard?
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    Post  medo Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:01 pm

    marcellogo wrote:
    medo wrote:Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 37 Zcvhv110

    Five early RuAF Su-30 are now in Krasnodar ARZ for overhaul and possible modernization. They could be easily upgraded to Su-30KN standard. Together with 6 ex-Indian Su-30K in Belarus, they could form another squadron. I wonder, who could be a buyer. RuAF doesn't need them as they have far more modern Su-30SM.

    Interesting, I though former baseline Su-30 were written away.
    Could them be used together with MK2 or is a completely different standard?

    Modernized to Su-30KN, they will have similar capabilities as MK2, so no problem to use them together. There are differences as those basic Su-30 are from Irkut and MK2 is from KNAAPO. KN modernization package is also from Irkut.
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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:54 am

    marcellogo wrote:
    medo wrote:Su-30 for Russian Air Force - Page 37 Zcvhv110

    Five early RuAF Su-30 are now in Krasnodar ARZ for overhaul and possible modernization. They could be easily upgraded to Su-30KN standard. Together with 6 ex-Indian Su-30K in Belarus, they could form another squadron. I wonder, who could be a buyer. RuAF doesn't need them as they have far more modern Su-30SM.

    Interesting, I though former baseline Su-30 were written away.
    Could them be used together with MK2 or is a completely different standard?

    Not probably modernization at ARZ 275.
    That ARZ only repair/MLU
    Modernization KN is made in Belarus.
    In Russia, at this moment the modernizations are made at the Sukhoi plants

    This airplanes only were used for training at Lípetsk for two decades. The last two were grounded in 2015
    Is probably that airplanes Su-30 (Su-27PU) will return to Lípetsk as only there are 4 Su-30SM and none Su-27UB/UP in the Flanker squadron

    Also is posible to use that airplanes for new squadrons/regiments of Flankers that are going to be formed in the next two years (Kaliningrad, Khotilovo, North district ??)  , for the same role the Su-30M2 have in this momento

    Anyway the ARZ´s need work for keep the jobs, once the new Su-30/35 are brand new and for the moment does not need go to ARZ
    ARZ´s are still repairing more MiG-29 , Su-27 and Su-24 than really necesary
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    Post  dino00 Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:47 am

    VKS RF by 2027 will receive at least 60 Su-30SM fighters

    *** Up to 36 such aircraft are planned to be purchased by Kazakhstan

    Moscow. January 31st. INTERFAX-AVN - The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation plans to receive about 60 modernized Su-30SM fighters by 2027, the Kommersant newspaper reported on Thursday.
    “The military delegation showed a modernized Su-30SM fighter <...> According to Kommersant’s information, the state armament program for 2018-2027 is to supply at least 60 such aircraft,” the report says.
    According to the newspaper, Kazakhstan has become the largest foreign customer of this type of aircraft. “Most of all Su-30SM were acquired by the armed forces of Kazakhstan - 12 aircraft are already on the 604th airbase of the country’s air force in Taldykorgan, 12 more are planned to be delivered in 2019-2020. According to unofficial information, the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan plans to acquire 30CM ", - noted in the publication.
    According to Kommersant, this year it is planned to transfer eight Il-76MD-90A transport vehicles to the military. In addition, in 2019, 14 Mi-8MTV-5 helicopters will be delivered to the troops, and another 20 vehicles - in 2020.


    http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=500762
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:10 am

    I'm pretty certain it's more than 60 they need to order for VKS
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    Post  George1 Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:00 pm

    Modernization of the Su-30SM fighter


    According to Irkut Corporation PJSC and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on January 30, 2019, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General Sergei Shoigu, visited the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAP), a branch of Irkut Corporation. At the enterprise, the head of the military department for the first time demonstrated a modernized Su-30SM fighter.

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    The head of the defense department was interested in the issue of industrial modernization of multi-purpose fighters Su-30SM and the work of workshops for the production of combat-training aircraft Yak-130. He was informed that the Su-30SM aircraft had undergone a set of improvements and ground checks. This was announced by the head of the assembly and test production of the Irkutsk aircraft factory Andrei Balchugov.

    According to the head of production, this year the company will complete the modernization of combat aircraft and transfer four fighters to the experimental design bureau. For flight tests prepared three cars. After completing the tests, technical improvements can be introduced when building new Su-30SM fighter jets or when repairing them.
    The modernization program for Su-30SM fighters provides for the use of Russian components.

    Modernization of fighters is carried out on the instructions of the Ministry of Defense of Russia. The Air Force of Russia and the naval aviation of the Navy have over 100 aircraft of this type. Thanks to the changes, the combat capabilities of the vehicles increase: the range of detection and identification of aerial targets increases, and new high-precision means of destruction of air, land and sea targets are introduced at a range of several hundred kilometers.

    The head of the defense department was informed that two squadrons of Su-30SM aircraft had now been adopted by the army of Kazakhstan. In addition, the Asian country expects the following shipments. This year, the first batch of fighters plan to take the armed forces of Belarus.

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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:02 am

    Contract of a batch of 4 Su-30SM for Armenia

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    Armenia acquired four Su-30SM fighters

    According to the newspaper Kommersant in the material by Ivan Safronov and Alexandra Dzhordzhevich "Russia sold fighter jets to Armenia like themselves. Four Su-30CMs went to the buyer at Russian prices" which the Armenian armed forces should receive in 2020.

    As it became known to Kommersant, for the implementation of the transaction with an ally of the CSTO, the Russian negotiators made serious concessions: they not only allocated a loan, but also sold the aircraft at Russian domestic prices rather than export prices. This contract can be considered symbolic for the Armenian authorities as a whole, and for the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan: for the first time in decades, the Air Force of the country acquires a new aircraft that is not used.

    On signing a new agreement on Su-30SM fighter jets on Thursday, Sputnik agency reported with reference to the press service of the Armenian Defense Ministry. The defense ministry confirmed the fact of the deal, but did not specify either the number of aircraft purchased or the amount of the contract, adding only that “the process of acquiring weapons within the framework of the $ 100 million loan previously allocated by the Russian side is at the implementation stage”. In Rosoboronexport (a special exporter of Russian weapons) and the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, “Kommersant” refrained from commenting.

    The Armenian military began to show substantive interest in the Su-30SM back in 2010 because of the need to update the air force fleet (they are based on Soviet aircraft, most of which need major repairs and modernization).

    Moreover, as “Kommersant” reported earlier, approximately in 2012, Moscow and Yerevan signed a contract, under the terms of which Armenia was to receive at least 12 fighters for several years. But the agreement did not enter into force due to the financial difficulties of the customer.
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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:29 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I'm pretty certain it's more than 60 they need to order for VKS


    "more than 60" is for the Ministry of Defence, VKS+Navy

    This number refers only to the minimum number of aircraft that must be replaced surely in existing units

    In the Navy 50 for complete squadrons replacing the Su-24M/MR in the three existing regiments currently
    In the Air Force about 15 for complete the Millerovo regiment and the "two seaters" for the 4 regiments with Su-35 nowadays

    This is 65 or "more than 60" that the press sais

    However in long term is very proably that Navy gets another regiment for Pacific Fleet and also all flanker regiments get Su-30SM for "two seaters" , so this menas other 36 in total


    I think we will see several smalll contracts for 30 or 36 each, or as much the first contract for 48 and later other smaller contracts


    The production will be in about 24-28 year, 14 for Russia and 10-14 for export

    Ths year Belarus will get the first 4 and Kazakhstan 12 in two years, probably 6 each
    Next year 2020 Armenia also has plan to get the 4 contracted today
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    Post  LMFS Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:23 pm

    Is there a clear understanding of what the modernization entails, apart from "Russification" of the plane? Talk was new radar, engines etc. but I guess this is a later step. Will the planes still be called SM or SM2?
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:31 pm

    Apparently radar improved detection range and what not. So what is the perameter? What was the exact adjustments.
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    Post  hoom Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:02 pm

    I think the 'increased detection' is probably reference to the IRST, my understanding they have been using Thales gear for that -> is likely to be one of the things replaced with a domestic equivalent/improvement.


    Regarding import substitution stuff: the need to make an upgrade to put in Russian bits makes me wonder if some of the recently completed planes might have been completed without some of the foreign gear ie not full capability if exports of those components have been blocked?

    Or would Russia have had a sufficient store of components to complete a bunch of planes, perhaps made some bigish orders when sanctions started being rolled out?

    If there have been incomplete planes sent out its the sort of thing you'd expect western intel to leak to the trash propaganda -> infinite articles about it -> their absence presumably means its not the case.

    Edit: also interesting news that India is planning to buy a further 18* Su-30MKI, I thought they'd done with their orders long ago?
    Perhaps attrition replacements? http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=500779


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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:41 pm

    They we're never using French irst. It was Russian since day one.

    The only thales tech was the HUD for it.

    I also read that it specified radar extending range.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:03 am

    Austin recently posted an article about Russian civilian aircraft production and domestic components replacing foreign parts... and the article actually mentioned that KRET had managed to replace the avionics components from Thales, and that the parts actually improved performance and were cheaper, so I rather suspect there was a bit of this as well with the military systems too.
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    Post  hoom Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:30 am

    More about India Su-30MKI order https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3518648.html
    Basically says its replacement for older planes going out of service which were supposed to be replaced by Rafale & Tejas which haven't emerged in sufficient numbers.
    Will bring them up to 18 squadrons.
    Also helpfully keeps factory busy while waiting on MS-21 production to ramp up.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:33 am

    hoom wrote:More about India Su-30MKI order https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3518648.html
    Basically says its replacement for older planes going out of service which were supposed to be replaced by Rafale & Tejas which haven't emerged in sufficient numbers.
    Will bring them up to 18 squadrons.
    Also helpfully keeps factory busy while waiting on MS-21 production to ramp up.

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