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    Su-30 for Russian Air Force

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    Post  George1 Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:00 pm

    Yes. A second squadron is forming with Su-30SM in Kursk

    86 Su-30SM received from VKS in total

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3261508.html
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    Post  dino00 Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:04 pm

    UAC and the Defense Ministry intend to sign a new contract for the supply of Su-30SM

    The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) plans to produce 12-14 Su-30SM fighters per year, a new contract for the delivery of these vehicles to the Aerospace Forces will be signed this year.

    the president of UAC Yury Slyusar said.

    "This year we are planning to sign a new contract that will ensure the loading of the Irkutsk aircraft plant in the next few years at the level of 12-14 cars per year." As the MS-21 develops, the plant will become civil, but now there is a demand for the Su-30 and we are interested in it production, including from the point of view of the economy of the enterprise ",

    https://vpk.name/news/224642_oak_i_minoboronyi_namerenyi_podpisat_novyii_kontrakt_na_postavku_su30sm.html
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:43 pm

    so how many total?
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    Post  dino00 Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:11 pm

    They don`t say.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:25 pm

    "Several years" @ 12-14 "cars"/year mean 40-50 "cars" at least... probably 4 squadrons?

    Wait, I found this:

    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2018/01/24/russian-air-force-procurement-plans-2/
    https://iz.ru/679043/ilia-kramnik/novye-krylia-vvs-rossii

    "...These will include 66 additional Su-30SM aircraft, with 16 of these to be delivered in 2018 based on an existing contract signed in 2012 and the other 50 by 2022 based on a new contract to be signed in the near future."

    So 200 Su-30? That starts looking serious Cool
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    Post  Hole Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:21 pm

    The Navy wants more.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:45 pm

    LMFS wrote:

    "...These will include 66 additional Su-30SM aircraft, with 16 of these to be delivered in 2018 based on an existing contract signed in 2012 and the other 50 by 2022 based on a new contract to be signed in the near future."

    So 200 Su-30? That starts looking serious Cool
    so they prefer more expensive Su-30 over cheaper MiG-35 because of budget restrictions? Smile
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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:51 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    so they prefer more expensive Su-30 over cheaper MiG-35 because of budget restrictions? Smile
    They are cancelling MiG-35 too cry
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:53 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    so they prefer more expensive Su-30 over cheaper MiG-35 because of budget restrictions? Smile
    They are cancelling MiG-35 too cry

    before new Indian contract? wow money hard talk, but current war is economic so saving money is painful process Sad
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:02 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    so they prefer more expensive Su-30 over cheaper MiG-35 because of budget restrictions? Smile
    They are cancelling MiG-35 too cry

    I did not read that they are cancelling it... i read that they mat buy a lower number than initially planned in the next 10 years (e.g. 70 airplanes instead of 170)
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:03 pm

    They are joking cause of the nonsense being thrown around here by usual suspects about canceling a tank when it never was said it being cancelled.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:06 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    before new Indian contract? wow money hard talk,  but current war is economic so saving money is painful process Sad
    Hahaha I never know when you are being serious. MiG-35 is going to be ordered as well but by what people say it seems Russia is going to be cancelled altogether, for gods sake

    BTW, welcome back! You were gone for a while...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:18 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    MiG-35 is going to be ordered as well but by what people say it seems Russia is going to be cancelled altogether


    mind that Russia has been cancelled since Ivan the Terrible Smile



    BTW, welcome back! You were gone for a while...

    oh man this supposed to be lazy vacation and turned out to be closer to action in romancing the stone Razz[/quote]
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:21 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:They are joking cause of the nonsense being thrown around here by usual suspects about canceling a tank when it never was said it being cancelled.

    From the other hand i can see that in Russia many things seem to be discussed first in public space before going official. Is this a way to test public reaction? or way t talking between industry and MoD? Duno but true that nothing was officially cancelled.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:29 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    From the other hand  i can see that in Russia many things seem to be discussed first in public space before going official. Is this a way to test public reaction? or way t talking between industry and MoD? Duno but true that nothing was officially cancelled.
    That sounds actually right to me... lots of testing waters / creating conditions for price negotiation would make sense. Otherwise they are retards lol1 lol1
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:44 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    From the other hand  i can see that in Russia many things seem to be discussed first in public space before going official. Is this a way to test public reaction? or way t talking between industry and MoD? Duno but true that nothing was officially cancelled.
    That sounds actually right to me... lots of testing waters / creating conditions for price negotiation would make sense. Otherwise they are retards lol1 lol1

    Whatever they say they are not retards. To me it is a cultural thing - I consider this a mix of all:
    a message to "partners" ( #$%^&!!!), public opinion polls, price negotiations' intro and perhaps also some "secret ingredient" :-)




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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:01 pm

    Well, providing PR ammo to the Russia-bashing camp is hardly a service to the Motherland. Is clumsiness... hardly justified unless price negotiations are very good indeed by the damage they do to the image of the country. Other than that I am not tasting the secret ingredient at all Very Happy
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:44 pm

    LMFS wrote:Well, providing PR ammo to the Russia-bashing camp is hardly a service to the Motherland. Is clumsiness... hardly justified unless price negotiations are very good indeed by the damage they do to the image of the country. Other than that I am not tasting the secret ingredient at all Very Happy

    let's agree to disagree. This can be also disinformation too. With this regard western ministry of truts gets confused. Image of Russia in western propaganda machine? even secret ingredient cannot help here much.


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    “The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent.”

    ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:27 pm

    Hahaha, ok you convinced me with your picture of that Chinese duck lol1
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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:29 am

    You mention Sun Tzu, but you should mention the American duck... Donald Trump... how can the enemy know what you are doing when you don't know yourself...


    There are complaints about the Russian MIC, but look at all the options in Russia for new equipment... if it was part of NATO it could only choose the F-35...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:23 am

    GarryB wrote:You mention Sun Tzu, but you should mention the American duck... Donald Trump... how can the enemy know what you are doing when you don't know yourself...


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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:06 am

    LMFS wrote:Hahaha, ok you convinced me with your picture of that Chinese duck lol1

    Oh... its a Chinese duck?  I thought it was a Murican congressman.

    Ahh... yes, now I see it.  Silly me.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:11 am

    GarryB wrote:There are complaints about the Russian MIC, but look at all the options in Russia for new equipment... if it was part of NATO it could only choose the F-35...

    Yup, and every ruble spent goes into the local economy via state-owned enterprises where profits aren't the driving concern and all costs end up in the pay-packets of workers and maintaining demand for advanced research, manufacturing, electronics, etc etc...

    How could anyone want that when they could simply write cheques to Lockheed Martin and selflessly enrich its Elite Money owners?.. russia
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    Post  George1 Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:33 am

    Another source also for the new contract

    The Russian Defense Ministry will acquire another 36 Su-30SM fighters

    According to Alexei Nikolsky's article "Until the end of the year, the Defense Ministry will purchase at least 36 Su-30SM fighters, which will become one of the largest contracts of the Defense Ministry in 2018" in the Vedomosti newspaper, at the end of 2018, the Russian Defense Ministry may purchase as part of a three-year contract of at least 36 Su-30SM multifunctional fighters for the Air and Space Forces and Aviation of the Navy produced by the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant (IAZ, which is a part of the Irkut Corporation) controlled by the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). This was reported to "Vedomosti" interlocutor in the aircraft industry and confirmed by a man close to the Ministry of Defense. According to him, the contract value will be about 70 billion rubles. On Tuesday, in an interview with Vedomosti, UAC President Yury Slyusar said that the contract for fighter of this type planned for signing in 2018 "will ensure the loading of the IAZ in the coming years at the level of 12-14 cars per year". In addition, according to Slyusar, the Su-30 has good export prospects: "The aircraft are sold in a large number of countries and, we hope, will be sold more."

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3308751.html
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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:02 pm

    George1 wrote:Another source also for the new contract

    The Russian Defense Ministry will acquire another 36 Su-30SM fighters

     According to Alexei Nikolsky's article "Until the end of the year, the Defense Ministry will purchase at least 36 Su-30SM fighters, which will become one of the largest contracts of the Defense Ministry in 2018" in the Vedomosti newspaper, at the end of 2018, the Russian Defense Ministry may purchase as part of a three-year contract of at least 36 Su-30SM multifunctional fighters for the Air and Space Forces and Aviation of the Navy produced by the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant (IAZ, which is a part of the Irkut Corporation) controlled by the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). This was reported to "Vedomosti" interlocutor in the aircraft industry and confirmed by a man close to the Ministry of Defense. According to him, the contract value will be about 70 billion rubles. On Tuesday, in an interview with Vedomosti, UAC President Yury Slyusar said that the contract for fighter of this type planned for signing in 2018 "will ensure the loading of the IAZ in the coming years at the level of 12-14 cars per year". In addition, according to Slyusar, the Su-30 has good export prospects: "The aircraft are sold in a large number of countries and, we hope, will be sold more."

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3308751.html


    Translators, especially google translator and other similar, are sometimes not the best. A better translation:

    "Before the year ends the Ministry of Defence would purchase at least 36 Su-30SM fighters"

    The verb tense can be translated as conditional, which indicates a speculation in the predicted amount
    The source of bmpd is the same as that mentioned above (Vedomosti), which is the original article that the other media refer to
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