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    Post  Hole on Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:16 am

    25 seems to be the max for current helicopters.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:09 pm

    Nice and flexible... 10, 15, 20, 25... I wonder what options heavier aircraft have like Su-25, Su-24, Su-34...

    I wonder if they will bother with 57mm pods... I would assume they will go for 122mm pods for the S-13 rockets...

    I wonder if they are compatible... so the bottom 5 rockets could be 80mm rockets and the pod above it is a 5 shot pod of 122mm rockets and the top pod, say 20 shot 57mm rocket pods...
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    Post  Hole on Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:59 pm

    Looking at the shape of the pod I would say it is made for helicopters, not planes (except the Su-25, maybe).
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:50 am

    Would normally agree but round or flat probably wouldn't make too much difference in terms of aerodynamics... box shaped is probably better for RCS or some such rubbish.

    Putting them on the back of a ute the box shaped ones are probably better too...

    It is possible it could also be designed for drones... in fact the box shape could be incorporated into the aircraft or drone design where it sits fully recessed and is lowered to launch its payload and then retracted back up into the body of the aircraft perhaps?

    With guided rockets then upward angled pods could be used mounted on the back of an aircraft wing or rear fuselage as long as the rocket exhaust is deflected away from soft components like antenna covers etc...

    Certainly on the side of an armoured vehicles turret... manned or otherwise a few of these pods would be interesting with guided rockets allowing max ballistic range to be used...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:20 pm

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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:56 pm

    Engineering and development work for Ka-52M helicopter to be over in 2022

    https://tass.com/defense/1206301

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:48 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    The prevalent issue with the Ka-52 fuselage design protruding right up to the trajectory of the muzzle break which induces this absurd vibrations. The effect on the accuracy and decreased durability of the gun should be obvious.

    The fuselage of the Ka-50 didn't interfere with the muzzle break's redirected exhaust gases, so the flex of the barrel was not bigger than what is already natural for the design of the 2A42. The design itself needs a supporting frame/arm similar to the German Puma IVF. The flex reduction would not only increase the accuracy and durability but also the yaw on the helicopter's flight trajectory, which is more a problem for chin-mounted guns like on Mi-28, AH-64, EC-665 Tigre in cannon engagements outside of the 15° degree of the frontal arc.

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    The slight tilt of the muzzle break on the Ka-52 was meant to reduce exactly this however it didn't terminate it, but the gun itself, even when very accurate suffers from this issue. The BMPT would also greatly benefit from such  a supporting frame/arm for the 2A42 auto cannon.

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    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:01 pm

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    Ka-52 launching a Vikhr-1

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:36 pm

    Hole wrote:Ka-52 in Russian Air Force - Page 27 Vihr-113
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:29 am

    About modernizations of the Ka-52

    https://iz.ru/1085847/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/ka-byt-obnovlennye-udarnye-vertolety-letiat-na-iug

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:53 pm

    Nice... a few interesting things I noticed:

    It was reported that the deeply modernized Kamov combat helicopter will be able to use even longer-range ammunition than the "Vortex" family. It, as well as on the Mi-28NM, will be installed a new light multi-purpose guided missile, known as the"product 305". There was also information about plans to use even longer-range Hermes-A complexes with a range of up to 100 km from these new combat vehicles.

    So product 305 isn't Hermes... it is supposed to have IIR guidance with a two way datalink... which sounded a bit elaborate for Hermes which seems to be optically guided but not so sophisticated (or as expensive perhaps?)... perhaps just simple optical laser target marker detector...

    For better interaction with its troops, the helicopter will be able to automatically interface with the Sagittarius reconnaissance, control and communication complex. Soldiers on the battlefield will be able to quickly and accurately point pilots at the target, as well as designate their positions to avoid erroneous strikes on them.

    So direct contact between troops on the ground and helicopter air crew to mark targets and friendly positions... F-14 pilots used something like this in Afghanistan before they were retired...

    The accuracy of firing of the built-in 30 mm gun will be increased by installing a new digital drive for it. It will help to hold the target more accurately in the sight and provide improved stabilization when shooting.

    Better gun stabilisation should allow for compensating for muzzle brake vibrations... perhaps a new muzzle brake could be developed for the aircraft... there is no hard and fast reason why that particular shape has to be used... something with lots of holes directing the gas away from the airframe but still pulling forward should be possible (ie countering/reducing recoil).

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Today at 12:13 am

    Hole wrote:25 seems to be the max for current helicopters.

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    The use of drones from the rocket pods is particularly interesting. Ideally I would like to see the Zala Aero suicide drones be modified so that they can be shot from these rocket pods. The suicide drones from Zala Aero have max ranges up to 40km, say they were fired from Ka-52M at max altitude/speed you could say the max ranges would be greater than 40km. 60, 80, perhaps even 100km range?

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    As shown above, Ka-52M having 6 hardpoints (3 per side) means it can hold 6 '25 shot' rocket pods, with 150 shots in total. Imagine 150 suicide drones attacking OPFOR's SHORAD? But in real life case if the air launched version of Zala Aero suicides drones in these rocket pods managed to reach a new maximum range of 100km, then they would probably be one 25 shot pod on each wing with a total 50 suicide drones, and the rest dedicated to Hermes ATGM. The Zala Aero suicide drones should be very useful for tenderizing an area before the Hermes carries out a strike.

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    Post  thegopnik Today at 1:37 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Hole wrote:25 seems to be the max for current helicopters.

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    The use of drones from the rocket pods is particularly interesting. Ideally I would like to see the Zala Aero suicide drones be modified so that they can be shot from these rocket pods. The suicide drones from Zala Aero have max ranges up to 40km, say they were fired from Ka-52M at max altitude/speed you could say the max ranges would be greater than 40km. 60, 80, perhaps even 100km range?

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    As shown above, Ka-52M having 6 hardpoints (3 per side) means it can hold 6 '25 shot' rocket pods, with 150 shots in total. Imagine 150 suicide drones attacking OPFOR's SHORAD? But in real life case if the air launched version of Zala Aero suicides drones in these rocket pods managed to reach a new maximum range of 100km, then they would probably be one 25 shot pod on each wing with a total 50 suicide drones, and the rest dedicated to Hermes ATGM. The Zala Aero suicide drones should be very useful for tenderizing an area before the Hermes carries out a strike.

    Are you referring to these?

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    Does it have folding wings?

    https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/idex/2019/02/18/russias-kalashnikov-unveils-kamikaze-drone/

    "Kalashnikov did not respond to a request for clarification on how the drone delivers its payload to its targets before this article was published. However, Russian media reports elaborate that KUB is, in fact, a suicide drone that detonates itself when in range of the target. With a payload of 3 kilograms, it is probably something akin to a flying grenade. Kalashnikov is displaying a 1:2 scale model of the drone at IDEX. The real KUB is also tiny, sporting dimensions of 1210х950х165 mm, according to the Kalashnikov statement. The drone was developed by Kalashnikov subsidiary ZALA Aero, a major Russian drone manufacturer. Russia still lags behind the U.S. in terms of large strike drones."

    Remember those are some big ass wings I am assuming that 1210mm is the length and 950mm is wings and 165mm is diameter so a 2.290 meter length rocket moter could be attached to the back. But those drones have wide ass wings that if you did fold them backwards they will take alot of room inside the missile and might effect the 40km range it was designed for.

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