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Re: New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 PapaDragon Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:04 am
Atmosphere wrote:Exactly. By all means the 75 may refer to T-75.
If it were to me i'd name it Su-58.
Because it's like a su-57 junior.
Gomig-21 wrote:kvs wrote:There is video of the engine firing already. It was shown in the promo clip. It was not an Su-57 or some other jet, it was the Su-75.
Where did Sukhoi or Rostec or UAC officially name this aircraft the designation Su-75?!? I'm curious when and who gave it that designation when we all knew it to be The Checkmate? anyone know?
kvs wrote:Gomig-21 wrote:kvs wrote:There is video of the engine firing already. It was shown in the promo clip. It was not an Su-57 or some other jet, it was the Su-75.
Where did Sukhoi or Rostec or UAC officially name this aircraft the designation Su-75?!? I'm curious when and who gave it that designation when we all knew it to be The Checkmate? anyone know?
Where is all this pedantic reaction coming from. Who gives a fcuk what it's called. I'll call it by its official name when Sukhoi gives it one.
Checkmate is a marketing slogan. Also, 57 and 75 are permutations of each other, which is rather fitting for this jet.
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Its the laws of physics. But when you get up close they are all very different. It's always been this way though. Look at the WW2 planes. And the Sabre vs the Mig.AirCombatSim wrote:Is it me or are many of the planes all starting to look like each other to an extent?
Re: New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:07 am
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Re: New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:03 pm
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As I understand: To maximise efficiency you want to maximise the temperature difference between intake & exhaust temperature (or is it combustion? I think theoretically you want to expand exhaust down to the same temp as intake, practically you can't get close though) .Also, does running cooler fuel into the engine have any effect on performance?
Re: New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 JohninMK Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:15 pm
Russian_Patriot_ wrote:
In particular, a new robotic electroplating shop with special cameras for applying radio-absorbing coatings for the Su-57 program was put into operation.
Su-57 for the poor puts the aviation industry in a risky position
The defeatist choir and their endless bleating are at it again...
It is a shit article. Let everyone thank Kiko for posting such hot garbage.
Let the writer be reminded that the F-16 is sold in such abundance while being a poor man's F-15 or Such.
But whatever, Russias media is ran by fucking retards whom are all liberal faggots (those who should actually be hung for their abysmal writing) and those who parrot it.
Yeah. I am just wondering if they found a way to do a similar take off with the delta type wing plus the thrust vectoring. Maybe with an adjustable front strut + vectoring. Point it up like a Concorde then use the TVC.
They must have something up their sleeve if they are claiming it has shorter take offs than the average for a plane this size
Just imagine that Lockheed took one engine , the wings , cockpit , gear and tail section from the F-22 and made the F-35 out of it. That's probably what they should have done.
Probably with no payload and low gas.
The guy from Sukhoi was explaining it at the video what is already known, the TVC allows the plane to pitch the nose sooner and faster, that increases lift and that takes the plane off the ground in less space.
Is it me or are many of the planes all starting to look like each other to an extent?
So it's more accurate to name it the Checkmate than it is the Su-75. its doesn't seem that any source has given it a designation yet by any official sources.
If it were to me i'd name it Su-58.
I see where gomig21 is coming from. It is good to be exact and also there is an importance in a name.
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PapaDragon wrote:It's can't be Su-58 because even numbers are reserved for bombers
Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Degtyarev confirmed that his first specialization, which he received at the Samara University, is "engines of power plants".
hoom wrote:As I understand: To maximise efficiency you want to maximise the temperature difference between intake & exhaust temperature (or is it combustion? I think theoretically you want to expand exhaust down to the same temp as intake, practically you can't get close though) .
So cooler air & cooler fuel should both be an advantage if you can manage it.
GarryB wrote:Change poor to affordable to those that desperately need it... I honestly think if they can meet their goals this is going to be better than the MiG-21 was... for the same reasons... good performance in specific areas and affordable to actually use.
The dust around all the wheels suggests the lift fan is in operation so this is a rolling takeoff of a VSTOL fighter. The F-35A and F-35C can't do this.
Re: New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:12 pm
What?LMFS wrote:Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Degtyarev confirmed that his first specialization, which he received at the Samara University, is "engines of power plants".
Little wonder that Russian leadership runs circles around American one...
Russian_Patriot_ wrote:What?
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kvs wrote:Where is all this pedantic reaction coming from. Who gives a fcuk what it's called. I'll call it by its official name when Sukhoi gives it one.
Checkmate is a marketing slogan. Also, 57 and 75 are permutations of each other, which is rather fitting for this jet.
Re: New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:07 pm
Re: New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 PapaDragon Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:31 pm
Russian_Patriot_ wrote:...As sad as it may sound, the MiG gave way to Sukhoi in its main niche of light fighters, they still hope for the PAK DP
PapaDragon wrote:Russian_Patriot_ wrote:...As sad as it may sound, the MiG gave way to Sukhoi in its main niche of light fighters, they still hope for the PAK DP
Why would it be sad?
Sukhoi is succeeding, this is good news and all that matters
MiG is failing as it deserved to, laziness and failure should not be rewarded
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Russian_Patriot_ wrote:
He added that "the project also considers the possibility of creating a version of the fighter with vertical take-off and landing." It is expected that the aircraft will be made in the MiG-35 dimension.
As much as I'd like to see MiG succeed, it's hard to see any future in this carrier-based stealth fighter program. Firstly, Russia has only one aircraft carrier, they won't be building another until the Lider-Class destroyers are serially produced which hasn't gotten past the conceptual stage yet, that means the Russian Navy won't even buy them anytime soon. So who will? India?PapaDragon wrote:Russian_Patriot_ wrote:...As sad as it may sound, the MiG gave way to Sukhoi in its main niche of light fighters, they still hope for the PAK DP
Why would it be sad?
Sukhoi is succeeding, this is good news and all that matters
MiG is failing as it deserved to, laziness and failure should not be rewarded
This is less about Migs failure than it is being made out to be. The whole economics behind the su-75 is that it uses everything from the su 57. Wings , cockpit, landing gear , verticals ect. So it was always going to be a Sukhoi.Mir wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Russian_Patriot_ wrote:...As sad as it may sound, the MiG gave way to Sukhoi in its main niche of light fighters, they still hope for the PAK DP
Why would it be sad?
Sukhoi is succeeding, this is good news and all that matters
MiG is failing as it deserved to, laziness and failure should not be rewarded
If Mig falls away Sukhoi might just become complacent - competition keeps you on your toes - just ask Mig!
I think The Checkmate was a bit of a wake up call for them - I hope.
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Re: New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 GunshipDemocracy Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:39 pm
) but that MiG is working on that. Unless this is the same virtual team (Sukhoi and MiG is one now) and components will be reused to some degrees from Su-75? 
PapaDragon wrote:
Why would it be sad?
Sukhoi is succeeding, this is good news and all that matters
MiG is failing as it deserved to, laziness and failure should not be rewarded
Backman wrote:
They are all one company now. Considering its a one engine fighter, the Mig legacy would have been a good brand to give it. Call it a Mig 41 or something. But it couldn't be that way because it's a Sukhoi.
A VTOL fighter should be a Yakovlev but im not sure if they are still doing military. The MC-21 is a Yak.
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Broski wrote:As much as I'd like to see MiG succeed, it's hard to see any future in this carrier-based stealth fighter program. Firstly, Russia has only one aircraft carrier, they won't be building another until the Lider-Class destroyers are serially produced which hasn't gotten past the conceptual stage yet, that means the Russian Navy won't even buy them anytime soon. So who will? India?PapaDragon wrote:Russian_Patriot_ wrote:...As sad as it may sound, the MiG gave way to Sukhoi in its main niche of light fighters, they still hope for the PAK DP
Why would it be sad?
Sukhoi is succeeding, this is good news and all that matters
MiG is failing as it deserved to, laziness and failure should not be rewarded
The Su-75 Checkmate will [most likely] be serially produced by 2026 and the UAC has already said they'll offer export clients a carrier-based version if they so choose. Even if Russia doesn't choose the Su-75 as their light/medium naval fighter, the Indians sure as hell would, especially a 5th generation jet for $30 Million or even $50 Million a piece (the price of the MiG-29K now).
How long do you think Russia would take to build its first post-soviet era aircraft carrier? 2035 is a conservative estimate at best. Is MiG willing to wait that long? Would they even have a choice?
How many countries in the world have aircraft carriers? How many of those countries are US/NATO Vassals and couldn't buy russian fighters even if they wanted to?
Re: New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 GunshipDemocracy Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:19 pm
Firebird wrote:Assuming Mig produces a good 5G twinengine, I'm puzzled as to where this will fit in with the VVS.
Mir wrote:
Well if they start working on a prototype right now it will take another 10 years or so before it's ready for production. By that time Russia would likely have at least one aircraft carrier nearing completion and Kuznetsov would need a couple of new planes.
GunshipDemocracy wrote:
since 4 years ago Air&Cosmos publishes info about the new MiG they have been working 5-6 years already
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