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    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:40 pm

    India and Russia are planning to jointly develop a futuristic 'smart' battle tank, having higher speed and better firepower, reports quoting Nikolai Malykh, director general of Russia's biggest battle factory Uralvagonzavod (UVZ), as saying.

    The two sides had preliminary discussions on the issue and defence ministry experts in India will discuss the new project when a delegation of the (UVZ) tank-building factory visits India this week to participate in an international seminar on the future main battle tank (FMBT) organised by the Army along with the Confederation of Indian Industry, according to Malykh.

    ''We put forward this idea (of developing the tank) at the turn of the 21st century. The Indian side has now come up with a similar proposal," the Moscow Defence Brief (MDB) magazine quoted Malykh as saying.

    ''We will take the first step when our experts go to India to attend a conference on the future tank and prospects for the tank-building industry," Malykh said on the sidelines of a defence expo.


    The new tank will have higher speed, better firepower, sophisticated armour protection and a smoother ride and improved armour protection for crew, the report said.

    Armour-protected crew compartment will be sealed from the unmanned turret equipped with an automatic loader, to ensure the survivability of highly trained human assets, it said.

    Information for the crew will be networked using a virtual-reality command information system linked to reconnaissance aircraft and satellites.

    The move comes even as the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had suggested a joint assessment with the Indian Army to save the main battle tank (MBT) Arjun and keep the project alive.

    The rmy, however, has rejected by the idea. The army is also ambiguous on a suggestion by the DRDO that the tank be assessed head-to-head with the T-90 MBTs the army currently operates.

    A leading Russian defence expert says it makes good sense for India and Russia to join hands in building a futuristic tank.

    India has purchased over 1,600 T-90S MBTs from the UVZ of which 1,000 will be manufactured at the Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi. Uralvagonzavod has for a long time been cooperating with the Avadi plant in the production of T-72 and T-90S MBTs.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:15 am

    So how is this effected by the plans to stop development of the T-95?

    One would assume that the Indians would not be interested in development if the T-95 was obsolete Soviet Era junk.

    Perhaps the comment 'smart' is the key.

    Perhaps the T-95 didn't have enough Cs in its C3.

    C3 is Command, Control, and Communications.

    Battle management is C4ISR or Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance.

    Of course the Brits call it C4ISTAR (command, control, communications, computers), I (military intelligence), and STAR (surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance).
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:15 pm

    The biggest reason T-95 was cancelled is because India and Saudi Arabia didn't want to fund its development.
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:34 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:The biggest reason T-95 was cancelled is because India and Saudi Arabia didn't want to fund its development.

    So the cat is out of the bag.

    It was obvious that the concept of closing a lot projects wasn't because of their technology, it was because it probably did not meet most others expectations in an MBT in terms of cost and capability. In other words, they will build the next MBT's around India's, Vietnams, and other countries military apsects.

    Oh well.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:39 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    So the cat is out of the bag.

    It was obvious that the concept of closing a lot projects wasn't because of their technology, it was because it probably did not meet most others expectations in an MBT in terms of cost and capability. In other words, they will build the next MBT's around India's, Vietnams, and other countries military apsects.

    Oh well.

    The cat is out of the bag, it never left the concept stage.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:58 am

    The biggest reason T-95 was cancelled is because India and Saudi Arabia didn't want to fund its development.

    So perhaps reading the title of this thread should suggest that India has changed its mind and is going to joint develop and presumably joint fund the T-95 program?
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    Post  Stalingradcommando on Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:20 pm

    Viktor wrote:India and Russia are planning to jointly develop a futuristic 'smart' battle tank, having higher speed and better firepower, reports quoting Nikolai Malykh, director general of Russia's biggest battle factory Uralvagonzavod (UVZ), as saying.

    The two sides had preliminary discussions on the issue and defence ministry experts in India will discuss the new project when a delegation of the (UVZ) tank-building factory visits India this week to participate in an international seminar on the future main battle tank (FMBT) organised by the Army along with the Confederation of Indian Industry, according to Malykh.

    ''We put forward this idea (of developing the tank) at the turn of the 21st century. The Indian side has now come up with a similar proposal," the Moscow Defence Brief (MDB) magazine quoted Malykh as saying.

    ''We will take the first step when our experts go to India to attend a conference on the future tank and prospects for the tank-building industry," Malykh said on the sidelines of a defence expo.


    The new tank will have higher speed, better firepower, sophisticated armour protection and a smoother ride and improved armour protection for crew, the report said.

    Armour-protected crew compartment will be sealed from the unmanned turret equipped with an automatic loader, to ensure the survivability of highly trained human assets, it said.

    Information for the crew will be networked using a virtual-reality command information system linked to reconnaissance aircraft and satellites.

    The move comes even as the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had suggested a joint assessment with the Indian Army to save the main battle tank (MBT) Arjun and keep the project alive.

    The rmy, however, has rejected by the idea. The army is also ambiguous on a suggestion by the DRDO that the tank be assessed head-to-head with the T-90 MBTs the army currently operates.

    A leading Russian defence expert says it makes good sense for India and Russia to join hands in building a futuristic tank.

    India has purchased over 1,600 T-90S MBTs from the UVZ of which 1,000 will be manufactured at the Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi. Uralvagonzavod has for a long time been cooperating with the Avadi plant in the production of T-72 and T-90S MBTs.

    What`s the source of this?
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:51 pm

    Cant remember now nor am I anywhere near my home computer so ...
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    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:23 pm


    Russia tests engine for Indian fighter jet

    RIA Novosti

    17:03 10/11/2010

    MOSCOW, November 10 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has started in-flight tests of an Indian domestically-designed gas turbine engine for an indigenous light fighter, state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport said Wednesday.

    The engine, dubbed Kaveri, has been designed by India's Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) for the Tejas light fighter developed under the Indian national program Light Combat Aircraft.

    "The first flight of an Il-76LL test aircraft with a Kaveri engine set in place of one of the plane's engines continued for 45 minutes and confirmed the results of ground tests," Rosoboronexport said in a statement.

    About 50 in-flight tests have been scheduled for the next few months to confirm the engine's characteristics and reliability.

    "After that, the engine will be tested on the Tejas fighter," the statement said.

    Despite numerous delays in the development of the Kaveri engine, India still hopes to put it on the later version of the Tejas aircraft.

    The current version of the Tejas fighter is equipped with a single GE F404 afterburning turbofan engine developed by General Electric. India has recently ordered at least 99 advanced GE F414 engines for the next production batch of Tejas.

    The Indian Air Force is reported to have a requirement for 200 single-seat Tejas fighters and 20 two-seat conversion trainers, while the Indian Navy may order up to 40 single-seaters.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/india/2010/india-101110-rianovosti01.htm
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    Russia, India may hold joint military drills annually
    RIA Novosti

    17:56 08/12/2010

    NEW DELHI, December 8 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian-Indian joint Indra military drills will involve three branches of the armed forces and may be held every year in the future, the chief of the Russian General Staff said on Wednesday.

    Gen. Nikolai Makarov, who is on a three-day official visit to India, spoke after meeting his Indian counterpart, Air Chief Marshal Pradeep Vasant Naik, and other top military commanders.

    "We have agreed that the Indra exercises in 2011 will involve the Ground Forces, the Navy and the Air Force," Makarov said, adding that they could be held annually from next year.

    The Indian and Russian military have conducted Indra joint biennial exercises since 2003, but the drills have never involved all three branches of the armed forces.

    The latest drills were held in October 2010 in the Indian Himalayas.

    Russia sent more than 200 troops from its 34th mountain brigade, based in the North Caucasus, to join the Indian troops in the exercises.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2010/12/mil-101208-rianovosti01.htm
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:06 am

    This is good news.

    I am sure both sides will learn a lot.
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    India, Russia register JV to produce transport aircraft

    RIA Novosti

    19:55 16/12/2010 NEW DELHI, December 16 (RIA Novosti) - India and Russia have registered a joint venture, MTA Limited, to develop and manufacture a new transport aircraft in line with previous agreements, the head of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) said.

    An agreement for MTA Limited between HAL and Russia's United Aircraft Corporation and state arms exporter Rosoboronexport was signed in September.

    "The joint venture was registered in the beginning of December in Bangalore," Ashok Nayak told RIA Novosti. "Work on the preliminary design will start in January 2011."

    With a payload capacity of 20 tons and speed of 810 km per hour, the multirole transport aircraft (MTA) is set to be another milestone in decades-old India-Russia defense relationship that is evolving from a buyer-seller to co-developers of cutting-edge military equipment.

    The total development cost is around $600 million to be equally shared by both sides.

    Manufacturing facilities will be set up in both Russia and India. At least 205 planes are to be made, 30 percent of which may be exported to third countries.

    The MTA is expected to make its maiden flight in 2016-18.

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:39 pm

    Now that T-95 has apparently gone for redesign Im mutch interested in future India tank they are about to design since Russia

    offered them codevelopment.

    Austin. India signed for T-90M version licence production Im I right?
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    Post  Austin on Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:23 pm

    Viktor wrote:Now that T-95 has apparently gone for redesign Im mutch interested in future India tank they are about to design since Russia

    T-95 has been cancelled straight and straight , A new design is underdevelopment apparently in an interview the designer says it will be a electric tank.

    You can find the interview here , check the last few questions
    http://vpk.name/news/47087_u_menya_net_celi_prokatitsya_na_tanke__oleg_sienko_generalnyii_direktor_oao_npk_uralvagonzavod.html

    India is working on its own FMBT , it will be in the 40 T class tank or more in T series weight.

    offered them codevelopment.

    Not sure co-development is possible , but it is it would reduce the unit cost of each tank.

    Austin. India signed for T-90M version licence production Im I right?

    India signed an agreement in various phase to buy , built via CKD and lic produce T-90 tank with complete TOT and design document provided , it is not of any specific T-90 version , but considering the order is for 1600 Tanks what even Russian Army develops for T-90 will slowly get incorporated in Indian version.

    I just hope they build the new T-90M version.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:58 am

    If it is based on an existing aircraft then development should be relatively quick and straight forward.

    Will be a timely replacement for An-12s in the Russian Air force.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:25 am

    GarryB wrote:If it is based on an existing aircraft then development should be relatively quick and straight forward.

    Will be a timely replacement for An-12s in the Russian Air force.

    Since it will be based on cargo version of An-148 it will be ready on time. In fact, it is already in production for civil use.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:38 am

    AFAIK the requirements for dimensions basically rules out the An-148 design as a basis no matter what Antonov says.

    Ilyusion is the Russian partner in this program and as far as I can tell they want a new aircraft with the cross section of an Il-76 but obviously shorter.

    The An-148 is just an An-72 with more conventionally mounted engines in underwing pods.

    It is a 6-10 ton class aircraft so stretching it to 20 tons would take some redesign work.
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    Post  Sujoy on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:31 pm

    RIA NOVOSTI

    Russia and India signed a framework document on Tuesday for establishment of a joint production facility for modern munitions for the Indian Army, a high-ranking source in the Indian Armed Forces told RIA Novosti.

    The agreement was signed on Monday at a working group on defense production.

    India plans to start domestic production of cutting-edge Russian-designed weapons, including rocket and artillery rounds.

    The two sides also discussed other areas for possible cooperation including license-production of Russian aerospace technology, the source said, but did not give further details.
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    Post  Sujoy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:18 am

    PICTURES OF THE 5 DIFFERENT ROCKETS THAT WILL BE MANUFACTURED

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:04 am

    Nice.

    So they will be making standard 300mm Smerch rockets.

    I wonder if they will adopt a pallet configuration or continue with a separate loading vehicle...
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:46 am

    Would be interesting if once they have mastered these rockets that they could work on new rockets with improved performance.

    I remember they were talking about adding lift generating wings that would extend the range of the rockets to 120-150km without reducing payload or increasing weight by much.

    I think there would also be room for cooperation in developing rocket delivered UAVs for finding targets and battle damage assessment.
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    Post  Sujoy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:00 am

    SPLAV does produce GPS-guided rockets containing sensor-fuzed munitions but these have not been acquired as yet by the Indian Army

    The fuzing mechanisms and sub-munitions will be supplied off-the-shelf by Splav SPA, with the remaining components of the rockets being produced from locally-produced raw materials, based on ToT from Splav SPA.

    AFAIK 120km-range MBRL rockets of 300mm barrel diameter are available in China.
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    Post  Sujoy on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:02 am

    There is a bigger possibility that Russia & India will co-develop a Futuristic MBT .

    http://www.kommersant.com/p-12890/Smart_tank_India/

    It might have different nomenclatures in India & Russia but eventually the end product will be the same. This would be very interesting. In India Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment  ( CVRDE) is over confident about developing a 50-tonne FMBT while Russia's FMBT will be far more heavier MBT and powered by a powerful 1,800hp engine. The Indian Army is at last reading the writing on the wall & leaning in favour of an FMBT that will be far heavier than the Arjun Mk1A .

    According to UVZ Director General Nikolai Malykh Russia & India  have already had preliminary discussions on the issue.

    According to Moscow Defence Brief :

    This new FMBT

    1) Will sport state of the art armour technology.
    2) It will feature higher speed, better firepower, sophisticated armour protection and a low silhouette.
    3) An armour-protected crew compartment will be sealed from the unmanned turret equipped with an automatic loader.
    4) The crew will be provided with a virtual-reality command information system linked to reconnaissance aircraft and will enjoy a smoother ride thanks to a new hydro-pneumatic suspension.
    5) Will likely have a new main gun of up to 152 mm calibre and a new hunter-killer fire control system with target acquisition in optical, thermal, infrared and radar spectrums that will be accessible both to the gunner and tank commander
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:44 pm

    As a matter of fact this is rater old news. Russia has approached India few times on this issue.

    After that there where no news for several years and here you are, with fresh ones.

    I do hope they will came to agreement like in Brahmos/PAK-FA
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    Post  Sujoy on Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:18 pm

    Viktor wrote:As a matter of fact this is rater old news. Russia has approached India few times on this issue.

    As I stated in my earlier post this is a probability and going by the situation as it's evolving now it seems both sides are interested. The news may be old but recent developments are new . I am highlighting the development not the news per se .

    Viktor wrote:After that there where no news for several years and here you are, with fresh ones.

    Cannot be several years . First presentation was made by UVZ in 2009 to an Indian delegation that visited their plant.Prior to that it was an expression of interest only. Serious discussions started towards the end of 2010 during the Futuristic Main Battle Tank conference in New Delhi and they are on going . The IA has laid out it's specifications. The question is do they have the budget for it. The cost aspect is now being discussed

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