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    VVS Non-Combat Aircraft Losses 2000-2009

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat May 01, 2010 3:03 pm



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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 01, 2010 3:40 pm

    thanks for the chart. Sad to see.

    Seems that pilot error and navigational are the most deadly. Pilot error being more or less the cause that is common.

    Although, that info about the Mig-25, at the bottom.... I thought they put all the mig-25's in storage prior to 2000? Guess not.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat May 01, 2010 4:59 pm

    The causes are not what determines what is more deadly, if a fully loaded Il-18 crashes into an apartment building, it doesn't matter what caused the crash. It was the fact a fully loaded plane crashed into an apartment building.

    The travesty here is that most crashes are caused by technical. It is obvious the reason is because we fly old aircraft and have poor maintenance cycles.
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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 01, 2010 11:18 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:The causes are not what determines what is more deadly, if a fully loaded Il-18 crashes into an apartment building, it doesn't matter what caused the crash. It was the fact a fully loaded plane crashed into an apartment building.

    The travesty here is that most crashes are caused by technical. It is obvious the reason is because we fly old aircraft and have poor maintenance cycles.

    It was only until resent that Russian Airforce personnel where given more flight hours, and those are trainer jets (got knows about the other equipment). And sitting in storage facilities for years isn't very good on hardware, especially if not maintained.

    Hopefully the numbers will show the government that it isn't numbers that matters, but it is the quality and maintenance of the crafts that matter.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun May 02, 2010 2:15 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    Hopefully the numbers will show the government that it isn't numbers that matters, but it is the quality and maintenance of the crafts that matter.

    If we have new crafts, we can fly more hours and save on technical faults. This will cut the number of accidents by 3 times.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun May 02, 2010 7:56 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    Hopefully the numbers will show the government that it isn't numbers that matters, but it is the quality and maintenance of the crafts that matter.

    If we have new crafts, we can fly more hours and save on technical faults. This will cut the number of accidents by 3 times.

    True that.

    At least with the new technologies, will allow these aircrafts to be more efficient and at least last longer. The ones in current airforce are how old? 20-30 years old...
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    Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:02 am

    MiG-31 fighter crashes in Urals, pilots eject

    A Russian MiG-31 Foxhound interceptor/fighter crashed on Friday in the Perm region of the Urals, but the pilots ejected safely.

    The Defense Ministry has grounded all MiG-31s following the crash.

    A preliminary cause of the crash was that the plane went into a tailspin, a spokesman for the Investigative Committee's military department said.

    The crash site has been located and investigators have arrived at the scene, he added.

    Officials said the plane was not carrying any weapons and posed no danger to residential areas.

    Defense Ministry spokesman Vladimir Drik said the pilots were "in a satisfactory condition."

    MOSCOW/PERM, November 19 (RIA Novosti)



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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:48 pm

    Number of injured in Moscow plane accident reaches 83 - Health Ministry




    The number of the injured in the Moscow plane accident has reached 83 people, Russia's Health Ministry said on Saturday.

    Earlier the ministry reported about 56 injured.

    "According to the latest information, 83 people were sent to hospitals after the Tu-154 plane accident," a spokesperson for the Health Ministry said.

    The aircraft departed for the southern Russian city of Makhachkala from Moscow's Vnukovo airport at 2.07 pm Moscow Time (11.07 GMT). Several minutes after the take-off all three engines of the plane had failed and the jet made an emergency landing at Moscow's Domodedovo Airport.

    Russia's Federal Air Transport Agency, Rosaviatsia, said that along with the engines, Tu-154 also had its power sources and navigation equipment failed.

    President Dmitry Medvedev has been notified over the ongoing investigation into the crash, Kremlin press service said.

    Dagestan President's spokesperson said that the special commission into the accident has been established in Moscow.

    "Dagestan's authorities do all their best to render an immediate medical assistance to those injured during the accident," the spokesperson said, adding that Dagestan's head Magomedsalam Magomedov had taken the situation under his personal supervision.

    The cause of the accident has yet been officially specified.

    MOSCOW, December 4 (RIA Novosti)
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:47 am

    Military-transport helicopter Mi-26 crashed in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir

    MOSCOW, Dec. 14. (ARMS-TASS). Eight Indian soldiers were injured today as a result of the fall of the military-transport helicopter Mi-26 sht.Dzhammu and Kashmir. As reported by the newspaper "Hindustan Times, citing a representative group of the northern military command of troops, the incident occurred several minutes after the helicopter flight from the airfield Satvari.

    According to ITAR-TASS The victims - three of the crew helicopters. All the wounded were taken to hospital. The airfield was temporarily closed, the reasons Incidents investigated. According to preliminary reports, the incident resulted in technical failures of the Mi-26.

    According to ARMS-TASS, in 1980 the Indian Air Force acquired six heavy transport helicopters Mi-26, of which up to now remained four cars. Now the number of Mi-26T helicopter fleet was reduced to three cars, because not known whether a recovery helicopter, which took place flight accidents.

    At present, the Russian Mi-26T competes with American transport helicopter CH-47 Chinook in the fight for a contract to supply the Indian air force 15 heavy transport helicopters.
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    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:02 am


    An-22 military transport aircraft crashes in central Russia

    RIA Novosti

    02:53 29/12/2010

    MOSCOW, December 29 (RIA Novosti) - An Antonov An-22 military transport aircraft crashed on late Tuesday on the border of the Tula and Oryol Regions in central Russia, the Defense Ministry said.

    "An-22 aircraft en route to the airport of Migalovo disappeared from the radar screens at 21:30 Moscow time [18:30 GMT]. The search for the aircraft is underway, the location of the crash scene is still unknown," a spokesman for the ministry said.

    According to preliminary information, about 12 people were on board of the Russian Air Force aircraft, a source in the ministry said.

    "Considering that the aircraft disappeared from the radar screens at 21:30 and there are still no messages from the crew and the passengers we may allege that they are dead. However, it is only an allegation since we have not yet located the aircraft," the source said.

    He said one of the reasons behind the crash might be a failure of aviation equipment, particularly an engine failure.

    Alexander Yevteyev, a deputy governor of the Tula Region, confirmed that the aircraft was not found yet, but said it is still early to speak about the crash and the casualties.

    "According to the Defense Ministry, the plane disappeared from the radars and the communication was lost. It is unknown what has happened in reality. Perhaps, it was a forced landing. Such things happen," he said.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-101229-rianovosti02.htm




    Engine failure suspected as cause of crash as Tu-95 and An-22 fleet grounded

    RIA Novosti

    12:15 29/12/2010

    MOSCOW December 29 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Air Force command has grounded the entire fleet of its Antonov An-22 transports and Tupolev Tu-95MS bombers after an An-22 was destroyed in a crash on Tuesday killing all twelve crew on board, the Force says.

    The fact that the Air Force has decided to ground all Tu-95s suggests that engine failure is strongly suspected as the cause - both aircraft types share the Kuznetsov NK-12 turboprop, the largest engine of its kind in the world.

    "In order to maintain safety in using these aircraft, which both use this engine, the air force command has decided to suspend operations until the reason for the accident is clear," an Air Force spokesman said.

    The An-22 departed from Voronezh airport at 21.00 on Tuesday for the Migalovo airport in Tver region but disappeared from radar screens a few minutes after departure. The remains of the aircraft were found near the village of Krasny Oktyabr in Tula region, about 100 km from Tula.

    The An-22 remains the largest turboprop powered aircraft in the world. Around 45 remain in service with the Russian Air Force and most are over 40 years old.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-101229-rianovosti03.htm



    Flight recorder, body fragments 'found' at Russian crash site

    RIA Novosti

    20:20 29/12/2010

    MOSCOW, December 29 (RIA Novosti) - A flight recorder and body fragments have been discovered at the central Russian crash site of an Antonov An-22 Cock heavy transport aircraft, investigators said Wednesday.

    Air Force spokesman Col. Vladimir Drik said however it was too early to speak of finding a black box. "We can't yet identify the discovered pieces as the black boxes," he said.

    The An-22, carrying a crew of 12, departed from central Russia's Voronezh on Tuesday evening for the Tver Region, but disappeared from radar screens a few minutes after takeoff. The remains of the aircraft were found near the village of Krasny Oktyabr in the Tula Region.

    The Russian Air Force said it grounded the entire fleet of its An-22 transports and Tupolev Tu-95MS bombers after the crash. The decision suggests that engine failure is strongly suspected as the cause - both aircraft types share the Kuznetsov NK-12 turboprop, the largest engine of its kind in the world.

    The An-22 remains the largest turboprop powered aircraft in the world. Around 45 remain in service with the Russian Air Force and most are over 40 years old.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-101229-rianovosti04.htm


    Three Articles all stating new info as they get lower!
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:55 am

    There are not many An-22s left. This could spell the end.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:44 am

    With an 80 ton payload and 5,000km range this could be a good excuse to revive the Il-106.

    Update the design, add more composite parts, and it should be a great Russian plane to replace the An-22.

    It would be a direct competitor to the C-17 so as long as they can keep the price under half a billion they might find some buyers... Twisted Evil
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:53 am

    An-148 airliner crashed 134 km from Voronezh

    MOSCOW, March 5. (ARMS-TASS). An-148 airliner, which was carrying two pilots, suffered a catastrophe today at 134 km from Voronezh. This was reported by ITAR-TASS news agency spokesman Sergei Rosaviation Izvolsky.

    According to him the fate of the pilots under investigation.

    Causes of the accident are still unknown. Presumably, the passenger jet of the Russian-Ukrainian origin served as a test flight with the Voronezh aircraft factory, said a spokesman for Federal Air Transport Agency. "This was an experimental flight, the liner did not belong to any of the companies" - said the representative office.

    Meanwhile, a law enforcement source said that both pilots were killed.

    AN-148 - The Ukrainian-Russian short-haul passenger aircraft, designed to carry 70 to 99 passengers. The plane was created by the Aviation Scientific-Technical Complex im.Antonova, together with Russia.

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    Post  Austin on Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:51 pm

    RIP to Pilots and Crews and Condolences to their Family Sad

    This is the first An-148 crash , hope they would find out soon the root cause.
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    Post  Russian Patriot on Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:25 pm

    Austin wrote:RIP to Pilots and Crews and Condolences to their Family Sad

    This is the first An-148 crash , hope they would find out soon the root cause.




    Intial reports say the cause might be the electronics malfunctioning. They also had the same problem during testing according to NTV
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:40 am

    In Kenya, crashed Mi-17 crew managed to escape

    Mi-17 helicopter crashed during a training flight in the Kenyan capital. As reported today, the newspaper "Standard" referring to the representative of the Ministry of Defence, the three crew members were injured but survived.

    It is reported that "the crew managed to leave the vehicle immediately after she fell and caught fire." The accident occurred on Monday, the reason it is considered technical failures.

    Kenyan Air Force purchased three basic multipurpose Mi-17 helicopter made in Russia in 2010. These machines should replace the obsolete French Puma helicopters, which are operated for over 20 years.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:38 am

    Su-27SM fighter crashed into the garden

    In Primorye crashed Su-27SM Russian Air Force. The pilot managed to eject. According to one version, the cause of PE was technical fault plane. Previous Su-27 crash happened in Primorye in September last year.

    In the course of routine training flights held at the airbase Central Angle (about 35 km from Vladivostok) to 17.22 crashed Su-27SM 22-th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment. According to Kommersant's source in the Far East Command Air Forces and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District, coming in to land, being approximately 200 m, the pilot, Major Korolev reported on the ground that the aircraft uncontrollable. Flight Director gave the command pilot ejected. The pilot landed safely, but the fighter crashed into the garden near one of the houses holiday village Nightingale Key. According to witnesses, still in the air the plane rolled over and fell from the chassis up. On the ground, casualties and severe damage was avoided, burned only one greenhouse. Relatively minimal damage due to the fact that the Su-27SM to fly without ammunition, and supplies of fuel on board had been virtually exhausted.

    For about ten minutes to the scene by a helicopter rescue team arrived, which brought Major Queen in one of the hospitals in Vladivostok for the survey. According to doctors, the condition of the pilot does not cause anxiety. Fragments of the fuselage were extinguished podospevshie fire around the crash site put up a cordon of policemen and soldiers. Yesterday in the investigative actions of the military experts have begun the investigation department of the investigative committee of the Russian Federation on the Ussuri garrison. One group of military investigators is working on the site of the crash fighter jet, another deals with removal of pre-documentation. It is also planned to interview the pilot, reported to the department. Will be considered and all versions of what caused the crash, including technical fault plane, as well as an error in piloting. The representative of the Far Eastern Command of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern military district said that while the cause of the crash called "premature." According to available data, Su-27SM a year ago was renovated in the Aircraft Production Association in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

    Previous disaster Su-27 Russian Air Force took place on 20 September last year in Primorye. Then, the Su-27UB making a planned flight after factory repair the airfield Vozdvizhenka, located 12 km from Ussuriysk. Barely rose into the air, the plane crashed about 100 yards from the runway. Both pilots survived, having had time to eject from a height of 50 m. Previous wreck Su-27, assigned to the airbase Central Angle happened in March 2002. The fighter is out of control and crashed during landing, the pilot managed to eject, on the ground no one was hurt.


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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:41 am

    The Su-27SM is an upgraded aircraft so there is a good chance that its flight data recorder will offer far more information than an older model would have. It also means however that the investigators will have a lot more data to go through so it might take a bit longer to investigate the causes of the crash.

    The good news is that no one was hurt, but it is a shame about losing an upgraded plane.
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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:38 pm

    Some people claims that russian aircrafts have ahigh rate of crashes !

    why ??

    as example , mig 29 vs f16 in crash numbers ...

    i'm talking here about quality not capability..

    Medvedev complains of quality of Russian planes

    i think russia period is better than soviet period,in previous point.....
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:05 am

    First of all the perception that Russian or Soviet aircraft crash more often is rubbish.

    Most civil airliner magazines in the west keep statistics and these statistics clearly show that there is practically no difference in aircraft losses between western and Soviet/Russian aircraft accidents where the aircraft are properly maintained.

    For the poorer or tighter airlines in backwater areas that don't properly maintain their aircraft accidents and crashes are more common whether they are western or Soviet/Russian aircraft. The fact that currently the western civil aircraft dominate the markets everywhere has resulted in a shift so that currently it is western aircraft that are actually crashing more often simply because the bad airlines that try to save too much money on maintainence and spare parts are buying old western aircraft now.

    Other factors of course for military aircraft is that Soviet/Russian aircraft tend to operate in much harsher climates and don't get stored in nice air conditioned hangars overnight.

    Recently problems with the Mig-29 were gladly highlighted by the western experts, while the grounding of the F-15 fleet for wing cracking problems only got a short mention that could easily have been missed.

    I am surprised there have not been more Russian military crashes simply because aircraft rarely crash because of design these days... Russian designers know what they are doing... most of the time it is lack of necessary maintainence, or outside factors like environmental conditions like storms or mountains or fog.

    Russia has gone through a period of stagnation where little has actually been put into service. After a 20 year gap of buying new stuff of course there will be questions about the quality of the aircraft in service... the solution is to buy the new ones on offer and give input into what you want in the future so they can design for that.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:50 am

    List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (2000–present)
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:24 pm

    MiG-31 crashes in the Urals....the crew died Sad

    RIP

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110906/166465020.html

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:41 pm

    RIP.
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    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:54 am

    RIP!


    Flight recorder found at MiG-31 crash site

    RIA Novosti

    02:36 07/09/2011 MOSCOW, September 7 (RIA Novosti) - Investigators have found one of the two flight recorders at a crash site of a Russian MiG-31 Foxhound fighter jet in the Urals, a source in the investigation committee said.

    The jet exploded in a fireball minutes after taking off from a military airfield in the Perm region in the early hours of Tuesday. Both pilots were killed in the crash.

    "We have found one of the flight recorders and will continue the investigation of the crash site tomorrow," the source told RIA Novosti.


    A technical failure is being considered as a possible cause of the crash.

    Relatively few MiG-31s have been modernized to the MiG-31BM version since the heavy interceptor entered service with the Russian Air Force in 1982. Experts believe that technical problems are inevitable on aircraft whose service life is nearing its end without a thorough overhaul.

    A similar jet crashed in the Urals region less than a year ago, but the pilots managed to parachute to safety.

    The Air Force has grounded all MiG-31s in its fleet and said the flight ban would continue until the cause of the crash is established.



    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2011/russia-110907-rianovosti01.htm
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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:51 am

    Hopefully they will find an excuse to upgrade the whole fleet.

    Of course unfortunately that doesn't make them crash proof... have heard of at least one upgraded Su-27SM that has crashed.

    I guess the primary problem is the transition between the PVOs interceptors being controlled by the Air Force, and the new structure where the Space and Air Defence Forces control such assets... I don't think the Air Force wants to spend money upgrading the Mig-31s if they have to hand them over the the Space and Air Defence Forces, while the SAADF wont spend money on AF planes till they get proper full control of them.

    Sort of leaves them in limbo, but Space and Air Defence will be a fairly high priority I would think so it should be sorted out.

    Altay Almaz has been talking about new generation missiles after S-500 and S-400 being air launched, so we might see at the very least the Mig-31D being revived... it was a model designed originally as an anti satellite weapon with a large belly mounted anti satellite missile, though it was later adapted to a satellite launch system for launching small satellites. Either way it was a big missile on a fast and high flying aircraft.

    I would think that if aircraft launched weapons is the future for Russian space and air defence then there will be a replacement for the Mig-31 on the cards... perhaps with super cruise capability and significant fuel and weapon capacity for long range and a huge radar.

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