Russophobia, Common Lies-Nonsense on Russia

I guess in any city in the world you can find to beaten up foreign students thus making mockery of any state in the world. I would not take it to mutch to the heart.

I wouldn't put too much stock into it. This Amerikan protestant group is trying to make it look worse than it really is. I will admit, illegals of different races will be attacked often. The tactic, ask for valid ID. The people they survey are illegals who frequent their church while they harbour illegals.

@ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1486193/
The movie is very good on action & war machine visuals & depicts russian machinery on a large scale...but what about facts.

Movie starts & claims to be factual so I want some clarification from Russian sides about the said FACTUAL genocides by the Russian military in Georgia. Plus I also want some answers that was it the oil pipe line that Russian feared to be handed over to west that led to conflict

If Americans knew they were suffering because of all the US dollars and exports being sent to Georgia to buy them off as their friends......the US would be no more.


Not even Russia has stooped so low. Americans themselves would be over in Georgia killing them. How much are those Georgian boys getting paid to work for DOD in Iraq? Really....gave them US Civil Servant positions?....thought those jobs were reserved for Americans....ahhhh I see....

Hmmmm...see the Georgians making lots of Youtube video's driving around their new Japanese atvs that usually were sold in America....wow.....


America's suffering right now because the money's being used to buy friends around the world. Bill Clinton's Quadrennial Defense Review cut US military and used Billions over the years buying off dictators and countries.....awww...Americans lost their jobs? No homes?

It's ok....maybe they will end up America's friend....maybe they are like Vietnam and playing America as the sucker handing out free things trying to be their friends now.


""Genocide""....really? Why were +1 million Iraqi's killed? mmmmm oil.

Movie starts & claims to be factual so I want some clarification from Russian sides about the said FACTUAL genocides by the Russian military in Georgia. Plus I also want some answers that was it the oil pipe line that Russian feared to be handed over to west that led to conflict

First of all if the oil pipeline led to the conflict... why was it that it was Georgia that invaded South Ossetia and not Russia invading Georgia?

I haven't seen the movie but the claim initially from Georgia was that Russian forces were moving into South Ossetia in a big invasion.

The question then of course is how could the Georgian forces amass a force large enough not only to stop this Russian force but also push them back and hold them long enough to bombard the South Ossetian capital for 2 nights before the Russian forces so decisively pushed them back?

If the Georgians were fighting front line Russian armour why was most of their equipment and weapons artillery?


The facts are there was no Russian attack... it was a planned Georgian attack timed specifically to coincide with the opening ceremony of the olympic games in China... typically and traditionally a time of ceasefires and peace rather than a chance to invade and murder.

The Georgians used artillery because as far as they knew there were only some Russian paratroopers there are peace keepers and rather than fight them one on one they wanted to fight from a distance with artillery knowing their enemy had no heavy weapons.

Paratroops dropped behind enemy lines are generally dealt with the same way as they are usually well trained troops so firing at them with artillery is usually the best way to deal with them rather than drawing front line well equipped troops from the front to deal with them.

If the Georgians had ANY evidence of genocide they would have taken it to the various EU courts. They had no evidence at all... which is little surprise... they had been using UAVs to recon South Ossetia and Abkhazia for months before and now we know why... they wanted targets for their artillery and attacks.


And finally why would Russia "fear" a western pipeline through Georgia?

Have they bombed Iran?

Iran has pipelines taking oil from the Caspian Sea too. The west had no access to oil reserves there but Georgia offered a chance for them to take oil from the region... big deal. Hardly a problem for Russia.

It is a B movie for Rambo fans. Evil Ruskies are coming!

This was my favorite photo of the whole conflict:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-seizes-us-vehicles-902432.html

What a piece of crap that vehicle is eh? But 5 were free! Were they ever given back to the US? I find no news story since 2008.

The humvees were a bit of a joke when they first came out.

Their whole purpose was to replace the Jeep with something that was supposed to be a cross between an MRAP and a range rover.

In other words a protected vehicle that could go anywhere.

The result was a huge vehicle that was hard to manouver in narrow streets that was very heavy but not actually an armoured vehicle except in the even heavier armoured models that drank fuel like a sailor drinks booze.

AFAIK they were not returned... and neither should they be. When was the last time the west returned anything that was captured in war?

A classical american style movie .The bad guy shoots the bribe gets killed stuff like that, special georgian forces kill lots of bad guys .
The soldiers with the white bandana on the hand were chechen paramilitary fighting for Russia?
Do georgians have any hind helicopters in Afghanistan?

solo.13mmfmj wrote:
Do georgians have any hind helicopters in Afghanistan?

It certainly is possible the Georgians were hired via a Contract...to fly US helicopters in Afghanistan.

Would explain the loss of helicopters! ha ha ha!!

Just watch how poorly anti-russian propaganda in the game Company of Heroes portrayed russians as beasts that kill everything without logical sense.

It is a dumb game, but pulling it from shelves is retarded.

I mean, fucking and killing hookers (GTA) is ok, but historical inaccuracy isn't? Bad precedent.

When they were having problems in the 1990s they were largely ignored... sounds to me like a bit of bitterness...

Especially as now they clearly seem to be moving forward with their equipment upgrades while the west is cutting defence spending.

For a lot of people in the west Russia is the enemy... just like for many in the west Germany and Japan is the enemy still... such things only change when generations die out.

Perhaps when Russia starts expanding its space exploration and perhaps if the US realises it is cheaper to cooperate than compete the image of Russia might change, but I suspect when Russian soldiers are getting good training, are mostly professional forces and have all new equipment they might get the respect they deserve... maybe not.

Hopefully WTO membership will allow Russian companies to take advantage of lower labour costs and offer high tech products that are more desirable than western equipment made in China.

I also hope the Russian companies are smart enough to produce their new gear in new factories in Russia rather than what most western companies seem to want to do... make everything in China and make bigger profits.

Why is making a bigger profit bad?

Well a big company that pretends to be a western company that produces all its stuff in China is not benefitting that western country with jobs and without creating lots of jobs it is the rich shareholders that make the money from the local consumers buying the product... the money moves from the masses to the workers in China as pay and to local rich as shareholders... the only locals that make money are the transport companies and local retail outlets which usually pay their workers rubbish wages anyway.

In other words China gets the investment and the skilled if underpaid workers, the country the company comes from get the products slightly cheaper and the rich get richer.

If particular people on MPnet are getting outrageously anti Russian you could ask them if they are members of Greenpeace... when they btch about greenpeace being a liberal lefty organisation then just comment you thought their anti russian outbursts might be related to either the greenpeace piracy incident or the the anti gay laws Putin is passing...   Clearly it was the latter.  

sepheronx wrote:Mp.net is being flooded with bullshit news and trolls lately.

"Lately"?

I don't know which forum is more ridiculous, that place or ATS.

MP.net ? The number of anti Russians posts are by and large the same as they were a couple of years ago as are anti Iran posts.

Over the last few years anti Syria , India and China posts have gone up drastically .

To be sure , there is no consistency in those posts . They condemn Islamic terrorism on one hand & on the other hand they support Syrian militias .

I don't know, Russians criticizing Russia are fair game as they re using their rights to do so. There are some constructive critics like Ash for example. Russians were always critical to themselves as long as I remember. "Only in Russia" is one of lightest saying used by Russians in WTF moments.

New Russian generation brought back trends of chauvinism - almost on same level as British one in their finest days. Russian nationalism is too extreme to my taste. Eastern European nationalism in general is .. let's say, immature.

I don't see nothing wrong with other people criticizing/making fun of Russia as Russians themselves make fun of other countries too. Pindosi, fat Americans, fags, Georgians, churki and etc.
No need to get Your panties in a twist about it. Poland is being mocked no less than Russia

There is constructive criticism and there is the ignorance of stereotypes.

It seems if you have any sympathy towards Russia you are a communist and every communist is of course Joseph Stalin in disguise.

But they are happy with their stereotypes because everything western is good and cannot be scrutinised, everything in Russia is bad and with no redeeming features.. obviously because the west is all about truth and justice and democracy and the commies are all about oppression and gulags and of course corruption.

GarryB wrote:There is constructive criticism and there is the ignorance of stereotypes.

It seems if you have any sympathy towards Russia you are a communist and every communist is of course Joseph Stalin in disguise.

But they are happy with their stereotypes because everything western is good and cannot be scrutinised, everything in Russia is bad and with no redeeming features.. obviously because the west is all about truth and justice and democracy and the commies are all about oppression and gulags and of course corruption.

To be fair there aren't that many people on mp.net with those sort of views; most people are reasonable and open to debate - many are friendly to Russia because in their view - they are at war with Islamic terrorism and Russia is an ally.

flamming_python wrote:To be fair there aren't that many people on mp.net with those sort of views; most people are reasonable and open to debate - many are friendly to Russia because in their view - they are at war with Islamic terrorism and Russia is an ally.

Mhm?...nevermind...we're probably thinking of different mp.net...