Georgia NATO/US Relations

lulldapull wrote:Dude china doesn't have much.....No Backfire's....No Blackjacks.......not much.....their backbone right now is the Su-30MKK, with downgraded avionics that Russia pawned off to them, or they'd still be flying the F-6(mig-19) and F-7(mig-21-F-13) right now......and damn near proud of it too!

They wuss'd out in 97 when the 7th fleet was floating around Taiwan.

Russia would have fukkin sunk it in half an hour!

GarryB wrote:Found this vid, which as it is in Russian I don't fully understand, but it is clearly about acquired booty from the Georgian conflict.

What new gear will they get next time?

http://www.vesti.ru/videos?cid=&vid=149225

(sorry I didn't embed, but it is not one of the video options listed.)

heh... i dont know... Soviet t-72s with polish electronics that were developed in Izrael... hhmmm... and why in the heck did they go with Bushmaster M4s... they are so expensive... kinda wonder, maybe Georgia would save a lot of money getting something cheaper, if they were to throw their weapons down and run ROFL !!!

I cant believe that georgian troops would Kill civilians... thats against the treaty... American military must have taught them rules of engagement, and they didnt folow them... Freaking pigs =(

usnews.com wrote:TBILISI, Georgia (AP) — In the face of growing aggression by Russia, the United States and Georgia moved Sunday to expand their defense relationship — including the possible sale of U.S. Black Hawk helicopters to the former Soviet bloc nation at the crossroads of eastern Europe and Asia.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Russian President Vladimir Putin's move to annex the Crimea region of Ukraine has further isolated Moscow.

"It has done a tremendous amount to coalesce NATO and Europe to come together recognizing what President Putin's actions have wrought, the danger that that represents to all of Europe," Hagel said during a press conference with Georgia's defense minister.

Ukraine and Russia signed a cease-fire two days ago, but there have been explosions near the airport in Donetsk, raising concerns the agreement may be on the verge of collapse.

Hagel's meetings here come on the heels of the NATO summit in Wales where allies agreed to expand Georgia's role as a NATO partner and reaffirm a longer-term effort to admit the former Soviet republic into the alliance.

The defense minister, Irakli Alasania, said it has been painful for Georgia — which also fought and lost an invasion by Russia in 2008 — to see the world be unable to check Russia's aggression. About 20 percent of Georgia — largely the separatist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia — is still occupied by Russia.

But he said Georgia is pleased with NATO's decision last week to make his country an expanded partner, giving it access to more allied support and services.

Hagel said the U.S. and Georgia did not reach a final agreement on the sale of Black Hawks, but they are discussing prices and other details.

At its 2008 summit in Bucharest, Romania, then President George W. Bush and other NATO leaders agreed that Ukraine and Georgia, both former Soviet republics that the Russians consider part of their "near abroad," would one day be admitted to the alliance.

While both countries continue to work toward that goal — which the U.S. supports — there are concerns about Russia's reaction. Some nations have flatly ruled it out, saying it would heighten tensions in the region.

The defense minister, Irakli Alasania, said it has been painful for Georgia — which also fought and lost an invasion by Russia in 2008 — to see the world be unable to check Russia's aggression. About 20 percent of Georgia — largely the separatist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia — is still occupied by Russia.

sepheronx wrote:Gee, another country eager to be fodder.

Like someone said on another site - WW2 had so many alliances. Hence the turnout.

Guess Georgias government havnt got the memo. Instead of staying out, they want to be a front runner.

TheGeorgian wrote:Nothing really new or dramatic. It's to raise the combat capabilities of our troops education and training wise. We allready have a similar type of training center running since 2006. The Mountain Warfare school allready trains special troops of NATO member states and allies for years now.

Working towards NATO membership is also not dramatic news. That was allready partialy established or at least considered during Shevardnadze rule in 2001.
Consequently such developments shouldn't really be surprising to anyone. It's not like membership was in any reach for at least a decade or two if at all.

Russia also doesn't give us the slightest chance nor desire, be it forced or not, to consider any form of alternatives.

So tell me, what should we do. Simply dissapear from the map .... ?