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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:41 pm

    India completely localized the production of tank engines V-46-6 and V-92S2

    On July 28, 2018, India's Defense Minister Nirmala Sithamaran was present at the Engine Factory Avadi (EFA, part of the Ordnance Factory Board OFB) in Avadi near Madras at the ceremony of handing over to the Armed Forces of India the completely localized EFA tank diesel engines V-46-6 and V-92S2, produced there under the Russian license.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:18 am

    https://vpk.name/news/223404_v_rossii_predlozhili_nakazat_indiyu_za_su57.html

    In Russia proposed to punish India for the su-57

    Russia in response to India's refusal from participation in the program FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) should do more to offer Pakistan the su-35, said "Military standards" Deputy Director of the Russian center for analysis of strategies and technologies, Konstantin Makienko.

    "Our suppliers still afraid to offend the Indians. But in vain! I think that on the background of oscillations of India regarding the project of the fighter of the 5th generation should actively promote in Pakistan our su-35. Otherwise, in 5-7 years the market will be busy with Chinese, South Korean or even Turkish machinery", — said the expert.

    The expert believes that "Russia should abandon self-restraint, in cooperation with Pakistan" because "India's behavior was removed from Russia any moral obligations." "Previously, in the interests of the Indian partner, we are often refused contracts with Pakistan. Now only the commercial benefit!" — said Makienko.

    A joint project of Russia and India FGFA assumes creation on the basis of the su-57 India's first fifth generation fighter. In April it became known that India withdrew from the program. Russia considered the partnership with India to build aircraft as the primary source of funding for serial production of su-57.

    In July, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said that Russia sees no sense "to speed up the work for the mass production of fifth generation aircraft".

    Since 1947, India and Pakistan are in a standoff over the conflict over the ownership of the region of Kashmir.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:24 am

    He is right ! Indian didn't care about russians when they decided to go for western tech for subs, planes and air defence.

    Pakistan is also interested in t-90. They should also gave them a kilo and a corvette for half-price as an investment so that pakistan will need to use more russian things in all branches of its militar and end up buying much more russian hardware.
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    Post  Pinto on Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:52 pm

    Isos wrote:He is right ! Indian didn't care about russians when they decided to go for western tech for subs, planes and air defence.

    Pakistan is also interested in t-90. They should also gave them a kilo and a corvette for half-price as an investment so that pakistan will need to use more russian things in all branches of its militar and end up buying much more russian hardware.

    Why not Russia can supply any weapon to pak like they did to china both are sovereign countries
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:28 am

    miketheterrible wrote:https://vpk.name/news/223404_v_rossii_predlozhili_nakazat_indiyu_za_su57.html

    In Russia proposed to punish India for the su-57

    Russia in response to India's refusal from participation in the program FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) should do more to offer Pakistan the su-35, said "Military standards" Deputy Director of the Russian center for analysis of strategies and technologies, Konstantin Makienko.

    "Our suppliers still afraid to offend the Indians. But in vain! I think that on the background of oscillations of India regarding the project of the fighter of the 5th generation should actively promote in Pakistan our su-35. Otherwise, in 5-7 years the market will be busy with Chinese, South Korean or even Turkish machinery", — said the expert.

    The expert believes that "Russia should abandon self-restraint, in cooperation with Pakistan" because "India's behavior was removed from Russia any moral obligations." "Previously, in the interests of the Indian partner, we are often refused contracts with Pakistan. Now only the commercial benefit!" — said Makienko.

    A joint project of Russia and India FGFA assumes creation on the basis of the su-57 India's first fifth generation fighter. In April it became known that India withdrew from the program. Russia considered the partnership with India to build aircraft as the primary source of funding for serial production of su-57.

    In July, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said that Russia sees no sense "to speed up the work for the mass production of fifth generation aircraft".

    Since 1947, India and Pakistan are in a standoff over the conflict over the ownership of the region of Kashmir.

    Suspect Suspect
    Is this one of those Western funded ThinkTanks i hear about?

    What experts in their right mind would recommend this??

    What??? Shocked ... India as the "Primary" source of funding???..... this ThinkTank is nuts.
    India never contributed a cent, they signed some agreement, but never committed.

    And Borisov's comment has nothing to with anything here.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:43 pm

    India, Russia seek to enhance military ties
    "reviving lapsed bilateral military programmes"- I wonder, which programmes?
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:14 am

    George1 wrote:According to the magazine "Jane's Defense Weekly" in the article Rahul Bedi, "The Indian MoD plans to license-build upgraded AK-103 assault rifles", the Indian Defense Ministry now intends to purchase a license for the production of the Russian modernized AK-103 submachine gun under the Soviets cartridge 7.62 x 39 mm.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3167129.html

    I wonder what model AK-103 they are going to build because recently Concern Kalashnikov have revealed an AK-103 in 7.62x51mm calibre... and that would make a lot of sense for a lot of countries thinking about replacing old M14 or G3 or FN FAL type weapons, but I would think there are a few countries where the belief in small calibre high velocity rounds like 5.45 and 5.56 is not as solid as it was.

    A small calibre assault rifle is very good for that role where bursts of fire power in a light controllable weapon is useful, like in urban combat, or jungle or forest environments, but in open plains or mountains or desert where visible range can be enormous then a heavier calibre can be rather more useful.

    Is this one of those Western funded ThinkTanks i hear about?

    Indeed, or perhaps Trump has started writing under an assumed name... his method of business seems to be bullying and threats followed by offers you can't refuse... and cuddles.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:26 pm

    Indian Army ordered a new batch of Konkurs-M anti-tank missile systems

    On January 8, 2019, the Indian state-owned company Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) announced that it had signed a new contract for the production of the 9K113M Konkurs-M anti-tank missile systems with the 9M113M anti-tank guided missiles with the Russian assistance at BDL in Bhanur. . The contract value is 760 crores of rupees (about 110 million dollars).

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:22 am

    As shown in Syria, older generation missiles are cheap and can be effective... the Konkurs in the man portable launcher is very portable and it has better range than any model TOW and probably just as good penetration as the previously released figures for TOW have proven to be seriously exaggerated.

    I think it actually makes rather more sense to continue to use Konkurs than to buy something newer but also more expensive... especially when in real combat more than 90 percent of the targets they are used against are not heavily armoured anyway.

    Compared with Javelin, the Konkurs is lighter, but has better penetration with a bigger warhead and almost double the engagement range, but the most important factor is you could probably buy 50 Konkurs missiles for the price of one Javelin missile.

    Obviously Javelin is more portable but the new model Metis is also much much cheaper, has a better warhead (950mm penetration compared with 750mm) and has a range of 3km now too and is very light and portable.

    This is a good deal for the Russians and the Indian military.

    BTW I have always had a soft spot for the BRDM-2 with the roof mounted retractable launcher for AT-4 and AT-5 missiles... with the missiles retracted it just looks like a turretless BRDM-2...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:02 am

    Why, then, did New Delhi settle for the AK-203 in 7.62х39? There are few military reasons to opt for the smaller 7.62x39 casing, as 7.62x51 rounds will generally travel faster and farther under similar circumstances.
    Rather, India’s change of heart likely comes from the logistical and financial benefits of the joint production arrangement between Kalashnikov and India’s Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) production organization. In specific, OFB will hold a 50.5 percent stake in the joint venture. A majority share gives the Indian government access to Kalashnikov’s considerable supply chain and technical expertise, while still retaining long-term political decision-making power over the course of the project.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/meet-russias-deadly-ak-203-rifle-one-nation-just-bought-750000-46232
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:18 am

    Why, then, did New Delhi settle for the AK-203 in 7.62х39? There are few military reasons to opt for the smaller 7.62x39 casing, as 7.62x51 rounds will generally travel faster and farther under similar circumstances.

    Like many countries India moved from 7.62x51mm calibre with the FN FAL rifle to the 5.56mm in their own new design they called INSAS, but they also used AKs in 7.62x39mm calibre as an infantry rifle too in built up areas, because they claimed it was more effective against human targets.

    What they are doing with the AK-203 is replacing AKs in 7.62 x 39mm and INSAS in 5.56 x 45mm calibre with a modern rifle they can easily attach optics to in 7.62x39mm calibre.

    These are assault rifles... they are expected to be used to about 3-400m.

    An SLR would really only extend that effective range to perhaps 500m and that would be assuming they get the proper training and optics to achieve that.

    Try for yourself... use GPS and pace out 400m and look back to where you started and see how tiny a person is at that distance. Normal infantry wont look for targets out to that range and most of the time they will be firing from cover and wearing camouflage.

    With 5.56mm even if you could hit a target at that range it wont likely go down unless you fluke your shot and hit something vital... which is pretty unlikely.

    Experience in Afghanistan shows the short barrel M4 carbines the troops prefer because they are compact and fire full auto instead of the M16s long length and 3 round burst only, and also the M249 with the little short para barrels means neither was reliably effective at more than 200m against real targets.

    Western magazines stated the enemy were using Kalashnikovs from 800-900 metres to shoot at allied forces... which sounds weird until you appreciate they are talking about PKM belt fed machine guns in 7.62 x 54mm calibre.


    A majority share gives the Indian government access to Kalashnikov’s considerable supply chain and technical expertise, while still retaining long-term political decision-making power over the course of the project.

    A bit like the British... both produced a new rifle for the 5.56mm fad and both botched the job... India is correcting by going with an upgraded Russian weapon... the British had to hand it over to the Germans to fix their cockup.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:21 am

    Actually it will be interesting because the same factory should be able to make RPK-16s, which have removable barrels... perhaps they might try for a multi calibre LMG where infantry have 7.62x39mm, while the support weapons use a long barrel and 5.56mm calibre, or perhaps 7.62x51mm calibre...
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:11 am

    A lot will depend on whether India goes American on the new aircraft tender.

    Russia shouldn't overreact and play into Americans stratagems. It's true that the more time passes the more congested the Pakistani market becomes... a pickle indeed. The faster the new tender concludes the clearer the picture.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:37 am

    I can't see India going for a major US aircraft purchase... they have seen how the US pulls the strings they have... it would be short sighted to add more strings to their arsenal as it is strings against the interests of India.

    The AK-203 is basically replacing the AK and the INSAS, but they are buying some M4 clones by Sig Sauer in 5.56mm calibre for infantry units intended to fight open warfare in open terrain.

    In a video Austin posted on another thread they may produce 2 million rifles for their own forces and look to export to local friendly nations too...
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:09 pm

    GarryB wrote:I can't see India going for a major US aircraft purchase... they have seen how the US pulls the strings they have... it would be short sighted to add more strings to their arsenal as it is strings against the interests of India.

    So SIPRI's recent report released this week mentions that the Top 3 importers of Russian weapons in 2014-18 are India, China and Algeria.

    https://www.sipri.org/publications/2019/sipri-fact-sheets/trends-international-arms-transfers-2018

    China's MIC has grown in leaps and bound so they may not remain a major client for long but countries like India, Algeria, Iran will remain customers of Russian weapons for a long time.

    I think India moved out of the PAK-FA project because

    (a) they could not pay the money and
    (b) with China placing S 400 on their western borders the PAK-FA will not stand a chance


    The first issue (cited by India) can be addressed by Kremlin by focusing more on rich Arab states and Pakistan.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:54 pm

    New center for repairing Russian helicopters in India to start operating this year

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1050691
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:02 am

    I think India moved out of the PAK-FA project because

    (a) they could not pay the money and
    (b) with China placing S 400 on their western borders the PAK-FA will not stand a chance

    More like they seem to want the best toys, but are not prepared to pay what it costs to develop them.

    I rather suspect they think they can wait till it is in operation and then buy some and have the modified to their own specs for the price of the modifications... I really don't think the Russians will agree to that to be honest...

    And the PAK FA would have a better chance against S-400 than any model Flanker...

    I am sure they can make a PAK FA-MKI model for export that is more capable and sophisticated than any 4th gen fighter but much cheaper and actually works properly unlike the western 5th gen options on the table.
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:More like they seem to want the best toys, but are not prepared to pay what it costs to develop them.

    I doubt that. It's essentially a very poor country. Even Sub Saharan Africa, Afghanistan has a higher per capita income compared to India. India has the largest number of poor people in the world.


    GarryB wrote:And the PAK FA would have a better chance against S-400 than any model Flanker...

    What ???? S-400 was designed to engage stealth aircraft. Why do you think PAK-FA has a better chance against S-400 ? Plus China's extensive satellite network would in any case pick up an Indian PAK-FA the moment it takes of.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:55 am

    I doubt that. It's essentially a very poor country. Even Sub Saharan Africa, Afghanistan has a higher per capita income compared to India. India has the largest number of poor people in the world.

    ???

    Did you understand what I said?

    More like they seem to want the best toys, but are not prepared to pay what it costs to develop them.

    India wants 5th gen fighters but wants them for the price of just buying them off the shelf... they don't want to contribute to development costs... I didn't say they were rich, I basically am saying they want top end products but they don't want to pay a reasonable price... a bit like the Ukraine wanting mates rates on gas supplies from Russia...

    What ???? S-400 was designed to engage stealth aircraft. Why do you think PAK-FA has a better chance against S-400 ? Plus China's extensive satellite network would in any case pick up an Indian PAK-FA the moment it takes of.

    So it was designed to engage stealth aircraft... that is correct, but like most modern SAM systems it is not very capable at defeating hypersonic threats, so Su-57 with Brahmos II is going to be a problem for any air defence system... even some of the better ones...

    Stealth in this case wont let the Su-57 overfly the enemy SAMs but it will allow them to get closer to launch weapons... and it should also be able to map out enemy defences with its 5th gen avionics suite pretty effectively and likely effectively deal with any Chinese fighters they put up to fill any gap created...
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    Post  Pinto on Sat May 04, 2019 7:20 pm

    Ministry of Defence has cleared Indian Navy's deal with Russia for 10 Kamov-31 helicopters to strengthen its capability against aerial threats to its aircraft carriers and large warships.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/defence-ministry-indian-navy-russia-kamov-31-helicopters-1516576-2019-05-03
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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:41 pm

    Ka-226T helicopter for India presented at the Eastern Economic Forum

    As reported by RIA Novosti on September 3, 2019, the Russian Helicopters company presented the Ka-226T helicopter in coloring for the Indian army at the Fifth Eastern Economic Forum (WEF-2019) in Vladivostok. A protective helicopter with the inscription Make in India (a program for assembling foreign equipment in India) is presented in an open area on the embankment of Russky Island.

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    [size=110] Helicopter Ka-226T in the "half" military coloring for the Indian armed forces at the exposition of the Fifth Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, 09/03/2019 (c) Alexey Peslyak / TASS[/size]

    A distinctive feature of the presented helicopter is that one side of it is painted in green for the Indian military, and the other in blue for rescue and medical services. Also nearby is a replaceable VIP module (with three passenger seats) for the same helicopter.

    In addition, a Mi-171A2 helicopter is presented next to it.

    Earlier it was reported that India had bought 200 Ka-226T helicopters from Russia. The first 60 helicopters will be produced in Russia, the remaining 140 - in India.

    The Ka-226T light multi-purpose helicopter with a supporting system made according to a twin-screw coaxial scheme has a maximum take-off mass of 3.6 tons and is capable of carrying up to one ton of payload. A transport cabin is installed on the helicopter, the design of which allows carrying up to six people, or modules equipped with special equipment.

    In turn, the TASS news agency adds that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will take part in the WEF 2019 as the main guest. On Wednesday [September 4], the Indian leader will meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin. It is planned that within the framework of the 20th Russian-Indian summit to be held at the WEF, about 15 documents will be signed, including in the field of military-technical cooperation.

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