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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:50 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/118373/

    The first part of the wing of the MS-21 Russian composites already made

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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:43 pm

    Nibiru wrote:Russia has no need to redesign MC-21’s wing after imports substitution, says official



    KAZAN, March 22. /TASS/. Russia won’t have to redesign the wing of the MC-21 airliner after the substitution of US composite materials by domestic components, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said on Friday.


    http://tass.com/economy/1050083


    This is not a surprise. What sort of composite materials import substitution would it be if the Russian company cannot reproduce the physical
    characteristics of the composite materials? Being able to precisely control tensile strength, fatigue and fracture progression through the
    life of the product and degradation due to atomic oxygen, hydroxyl and UV exposure is the bare minimum and Russia has the skilled engineers
    and researchers to achieve this.

    It is only to NATO-phile saps that everything from the "west" is on some higher plane of existence. There are too many such morons in Russia
    and that is why these announcements have to be made to pacify the hysteria.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:36 pm

    They build rotors and parts for military planes of composites. Why shouldn´t they be able to build them for civil planes? Stupid westeners.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:18 pm

    Another Western export opportunity down the tubes.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:49 am

    for tonight Stalin's March(artillery mach), great that Russian choirs (Alexandrov?) sing Stalin again russia russia russia







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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:16 am

    The carbon nano tubes?

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    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:11 pm

    Russia presents first glimpse at the interior of the upcoming Ilyushin IL-496 aka IL-96-400M wide-body airliner (due in 2020-22). It is to have a longer fuselage and to come in 3 versions with 305, 350 and 402 passenger seats

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    https://twitter.com/EmbassyofRussia/status/1109014816776163329
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    Post  marat on Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:01 am

    Adria Airways canceled LoI fo 15 Su-100. They have even started process of pilot and crew engagement and chosen first 2 planes but at the end they canceled Loi.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:54 am

    Rusline negotiates leasing of SSJ100

    https://aviation21.ru/ruslajn-vedyot-peregovory-o-lizinge-ssj100/

    Airline Rusline is negotiating with JSC Sukhoi Civil Aircraft and Ilyushin Finance Co. about leasing 18 SSJ100 aircraft for a period of 12 years, the newspaper said.Commersant". Negotiations have been going on for eight months already, the parties are planning to sign a preliminary agreement on the deal soon.

    The signing of the contract was delayed due to the lack of clarity around the SSJ100 budget subsidy for leasing, which Rusline wants to receive. The company relies on expansion in the regions with the use of state support tools, while the risk of creating excess carrying capacity is not predicted, since In this market there is a shortage of both routes and airplanes.

    It is assumed that the aircraft will be transferred to leaseback for 12 years, deliveries will begin in 2019 and will continue for five years. Now there are 18 CRJ-100/200 airplanes for 50 seats in the airline's fleet. Negotiations are underway to supply the SSJ100 to 108 seats. The company's management is considering two options for the development of the park: its doubling or gradual withdrawal of old CRJs as Russian-made aircraft arrive.

    The head of Infomost, Boris Rybak, notes that the benefits and risks of the operating company largely depend on the size and degree of state support and the assistance of the lessor in providing technical maintenance for ships. “The operating experience of the SSJ100 is clear today, and the carrier knows what weaknesses the aircraft has and what it has to work with,” the expert says. He specifies that the excess carrying capacity is observed today on the main routes between Moscow and other cities of Russia, but the situation is different in regional directions.

    The GSS confirmed the interest of the airline to the aircraft and the fact of negotiation. The manufacturer declined additional comments before signing the contract. In Rusline and IFC do not comment on the situation.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:14 pm

    marat wrote:Adria Airways canceled LoI fo 15 Su-100. They have even started process of pilot and crew engagement and chosen first 2 planes but at the end they canceled Loi.


    I would not bet on other clients at first then Russian and asian. In EU is too much completion with strong political disadvantage.


    Im wondering what civilian usage could have il-112V, Borisov was advertising it as an universal platform also for civilian use.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:40 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Im wondering what civilian usage could  have il-112V, Borisov was advertising it as an universal platform also for civilian use.


    Civilian Cargo Transport of extra wide body type like those transported by IL-76 but within payload limit of 5 T or less.

    Civilian SAR mission & Medical Transport as used by EMERCOM ,  Civilian Fire Fighting or Chemical spraying[ Weather reconnaissance and scientific surveys
    Air ambulance and medevac ]

    During Natural Disaster can be use to Transport Civil Person along with equipment from remote areas of Siberia where normal civil flights may not be possible , We use C-130 and Il-76 for this role in North East India
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:54 pm

    Austin wrote:
    During Natural Disaster can be use to Transport Civil Person along with equipment from remote areas of Siberia where normal civil flights may not be possible  , We use C-130 and Il-76 for this role in North East India

    there is slight payload difference between Il-76/C-130 and Il-112 tho...
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:32 am

    But it also depends on numbers... in an Indian market it might be 50-100 people in each direction, while in Siberia it might be less than ten people in each direction and sometimes with 20 or 30 in one direction...

    The air routes they are operating previously used An-26s, so the Il-112 and Il-114 should be just fine.
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    Post  bolshevik345 on Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:31 am

    In case the MS-21 never finds customers, the VVS should reconfigure it to be an ASW aircraft. There's no reason not to do so.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:32 am

    They already sold 160+ with another 130 options.
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    Post  triphosgene on Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:30 pm

    marat wrote:Adria Airways canceled LoI fo 15 Su-100. They have even started process of pilot and crew engagement and chosen first 2 planes but at the end they canceled Loi.


    Actually, the deal was canceled by the Russian side due to Adria's not so very bright financial situation.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:20 am

    In case the MS-21 never finds customers, the VVS should reconfigure it to be an ASW aircraft. There's no reason not to do so.

    The western sanctions forcing them to make it all Russian makes it much more attractive to the Russian military and it is a good size for a range of roles... it would be a rather good replacement for the Il-38 and Il-20 and Il-22 aircraft they have in service as well as their Tu-134 and Tu-154 and Il-62 based airliner transport types.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    In case the MS-21 never finds customers, the VVS should reconfigure it to be an ASW aircraft. There's no reason not to do so.

    The western sanctions forcing them to make it all Russian makes it much more attractive to the Russian military and it is a good size for a range of roles... it would be a rather good replacement for the Il-38 and Il-20 and Il-22 aircraft they have in service as well as their Tu-134 and Tu-154 and Il-62 based airliner transport types.

    Much as the similarly sized B-737 has morphed into a few different military variants.
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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:12 pm

    MS-21 has huge potential and I think it will find many customers in years ahead.

    Russia can easily put 300 % tarrif on all B and A type in narrow body class and force airlines to buy MS 21 if required. IF West tries to take measure of reducing its export potentials. If West wants to go to WTO then so can Russia of being unjustly sanctioned.

    UAC should also look into re-engining Tu-204SM. With PD-14 Engine , It will gain 5-6 % fuel advantage over PS-90A2 engine. Plus I am sure Tsagi can improve its aerodynamic if if it gets 1-2 % fuel advantage , Then can can give Tu-204SM with new Engine and Improved Aerodyanmics of 7-8 % fuel advantage over Original Tu-204SM.

    I compared the cabin width of Tu-204SM and MAX and SM is same or slightly large.

    They can have Tu-204SM and MS-21 in production and sell it internally or abroad based on customers needs and demands.

    IT would be criminal waste of money time and effort to close Tu-204SM program.

    http://www.tupolev.ru/en/civil_aviation/tu-204sm
    https://www.ruaviation.com/docs/3/2014/4/21/81/
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:25 pm

    Rostec creates a 3D printer to print turbine blades for aircraft engines

    Rostec is creating a 3D printer that will allow printing of engine parts for rockets and airplanes, including turbine blades, the press service of the company reports.

    “The electron-beam 3D printer will make it possible to manufacture parts for jet engines of rockets and turbine blades for aircraft engines, individual medical implants, jewelry of complex shape, lightweight elements of architectural structures, as well as metal-porous thermal cathodes,” the message said.

    It also emphasizes that the main advantages of printing using metal powders are high speed and accuracy of work, as well as low sensitivity to the quality of powders.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019481548-m1xpS.html
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    Post  kvs on Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:47 pm

    dino00 wrote:Rostec creates a 3D printer to print turbine blades for aircraft engines

    Rostec is creating a 3D printer that will allow printing of engine parts for rockets and airplanes, including turbine blades, the press service of the company reports.

    “The electron-beam 3D printer will make it possible to manufacture parts for jet engines of rockets and turbine blades for aircraft engines, individual medical implants, jewelry of complex shape, lightweight elements of architectural structures, as well as metal-porous thermal cathodes,” the message said.

    It also emphasizes that the main advantages of printing using metal powders are high speed and accuracy of work, as well as low sensitivity to the quality of powders.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019481548-m1xpS.html

    For the "skeptics": this isn't just talk. Rocket engine parts have already been printed and tested. This is the next step from prototypes to
    actual commercial product.

    One of the pluses for printing metal parts is that they can tune the vapour deposition in a way that controls the crystal structure. Pouring
    molten metal into a form is primitive and there is no control over the distribution of contaminants even if there are techniques for controlling
    crystal growth.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:09 pm

    Interjet Seeks Russian Help To Restore Superjet Fleet

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-04-08/interjet-seeks-russian-help-restore-superjet-fleet
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:57 am

    Not sure if this is the right thread or if this should go to the naval aviation thread...

    The SaM146 will not be installed on the Be-200 amphibian

    https://aviation21.ru/dvigatel-sam146-na-samolyot-amfibiyu-be-200-ustanavlivatsya-ne-budet/

    I think it is a correct decision, but this make the PD7 engine even more urgent

    aviation21.ru wrote:The Prosecutor General’s Office warned the Ministry of Industry and Trade about the risk of disrupting the defense order if the Be-200 amphibious aircraft of the D-436TP Ukrainian-made engines were replaced with SaM146 engines with components from NATO countries. This follows from the report of the Prosecutor General Yury Chaika on the state of legality and law and order in the Russian Federation in 2018, received by the Council of the Federation, RIA Novosti reports.

    "The Ministry of Industry and Trade, within the framework of development work for the needs of the Defense Ministry, costing about 13 billion rubles to remotorize the Be-200 amphibious aircraft, planned to replace Ukrainian-made engines with engines that use components from a number of NATO member countries. The Russian Prosecutor General’s Office informed the risk of disrupting the defense order due to the imposed sanctions, "the report says.

    The position of the supervisory authority was taken into account, the decision to actually replace one foreign engine with another has been canceled, the prosecutor general said.

    Currently, the D-436TP engine produced by Motor Sich, Ukraine, is being installed on the Be-200 multi-purpose amphibian aircraft. The United Engine Corporation (UEC) in September last year announced plans to complete the aircraft remotorization by the end of 2020 by installing Russian-French engines SaM146, which is produced by PowerJet, a joint venture of the Russian NPO Saturn and the French company Snecma.

    Thus, the Be-200 can only be remotorized with the advanced PD-7 engine. However, there is practically no information on this engine, it is also unknown at what stage its development is. The first official mention of him was in February 2018 in the context of the message of JSC GSS about the beginning of work on the Superjet aircraft for 75 passenger seats.
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    Post  bolshevik345 on Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:27 am

    dino00 wrote:Rostec creates a 3D printer to print turbine blades for aircraft engines

    Rostec is creating a 3D printer that will allow printing of engine parts for rockets and airplanes, including turbine blades, the press service of the company reports.

    “The electron-beam 3D printer will make it possible to manufacture parts for jet engines of rockets and turbine blades for aircraft engines, individual medical implants, jewelry of complex shape, lightweight elements of architectural structures, as well as metal-porous thermal cathodes,” the message said.

    It also emphasizes that the main advantages of printing using metal powders are high speed and accuracy of work, as well as low sensitivity to the quality of powders.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019481548-m1xpS.html
    Will it be able to print composite turbine blades?

    Also what hurdles in material science haven't the russian figured out that they can't make composite engine blades, but can make composite wings? Is it because Russian material scientists cannot figure out yet how to make composite materials withstand high temperatures and pressures while being flexible at the same time?
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    Post  LMFS on Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:27 pm

    bolshevik345 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Rostec creates a 3D printer to print turbine blades for aircraft engines

    Rostec is creating a 3D printer that will allow printing of engine parts for rockets and airplanes, including turbine blades, the press service of the company reports.

    “The electron-beam 3D printer will make it possible to manufacture parts for jet engines of rockets and turbine blades for aircraft engines, individual medical implants, jewelry of complex shape, lightweight elements of architectural structures, as well as metal-porous thermal cathodes,” the message said.

    It also emphasizes that the main advantages of printing using metal powders are high speed and accuracy of work, as well as low sensitivity to the quality of powders.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019481548-m1xpS.html
    Will it be able to print composite turbine blades?

    Also what hurdles in material science haven't the russian figured out that they can't make composite engine blades, but can make composite wings? Is it because Russian material scientists cannot figure out yet how to make composite materials withstand high temperatures and pressures while being flexible at the same time?
    They are working on CMCs for the PD-35. I think Izd. 30 has them too.

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