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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:17 am

    The original Be-42 or Be-40 called albatross was slightly bigger than the Be-200 and had four engines.... it had two externally mounted D30 engines as used on the Il-76, plus two small internal booster engines for takeoff to improve performance.

    There were models of the Albatross that had PS-90A engines whose increased power (16 tons thrust vs 14 tons thrust for the D30) meant the internal engines were no longer needed to boost performance for takeoff.

    They also showed a version with the turboprop engines of the An-70 (but just two engines of course) of the Albatross.

    Perhaps a solution with front and rear facing turboprop engines, two on each side could provide the required thrust?

    Or just derate the PS-90A engines and use two of those on the smaller Be-200 aircraft to begin with...
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    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:50 am

    bolshevik345 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Rostec creates a 3D printer to print turbine blades for aircraft engines

    Rostec is creating a 3D printer that will allow printing of engine parts for rockets and airplanes, including turbine blades, the press service of the company reports.

    “The electron-beam 3D printer will make it possible to manufacture parts for jet engines of rockets and turbine blades for aircraft engines, individual medical implants, jewelry of complex shape, lightweight elements of architectural structures, as well as metal-porous thermal cathodes,” the message said.

    It also emphasizes that the main advantages of printing using metal powders are high speed and accuracy of work, as well as low sensitivity to the quality of powders.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019481548-m1xpS.html
    Will it be able to print composite turbine blades?

    Also what hurdles in material science haven't the russian figured out that they can't make composite engine blades, but can make composite wings? Is it because Russian material scientists cannot figure out yet how to make composite materials withstand high temperatures and pressures while being flexible at the same time?

    Are you expecting carbon-carbon composites to survive furnace temperatures? They will be oxidized into nothing in an extremely short period of time.

    Non-metallic turbine blades are made out of ceramic composites that only have the composite aspect in common. Composites are applications of the the same, similar or
    different materials to produce a stronger composite material (like rebarred concrete). Printing composite ceramics can present challenges compared to printing metal
    parts.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:33 am

    GarryB wrote:The original Be-42 or Be-40 called albatross was slightly bigger than the Be-200 and had four engines.... it had two externally mounted D30 engines as used on the Il-76, plus two small internal booster engines for takeoff to improve performance.

    There were models of the Albatross that had PS-90A engines whose increased power (16 tons thrust vs 14 tons thrust for the D30) meant the internal engines were no longer needed to boost performance for takeoff.

    They also showed a version with the turboprop engines of the An-70 (but just two engines of course) of the Albatross.

    Perhaps a solution with front and rear facing turboprop engines, two on each side could provide the required thrust?

    Or just derate the PS-90A engines and use two of those on the smaller Be-200 aircraft to begin with...

    The PS-90, or later the PD-14 would be perfect for the Be-42 / A-40 Albatross.

    It is however quite bigger and heavier (and with about twice the thrust) than the ukrainian D436 or the French/Russian SaM146.
    Even if the weight and size would not preclude the Installation, it would be quite inefficient, as it the needed derate would be too big.

    maybe it would be better to wait for the pd7 to be ready, also not to loose time certifying the aircraft with a half french engine and in the meanwhile concentrate on the bigger Be-42.

    I do not know if Russia has still access to the ukrainian D436 for civilian use, as they continued to assemble An-148 until 2018 in Voronezh.

    I believe the Russian Saljut plant in Moscow assembled those engines, possibility, however with lots of ukrainian components. If they are able to localize the supply chain (as they have done for the AI-222 for the Yak-130) they could use it as a "stopgap" until the PD7 engines are ready.

    This will probably not be a problem for military aircrafts, but it could prevent civilian export if the ukrainian engine manufacturer creates some issues about engine certicification.

    There are some differences between the version used in the An-148 (D-436-148) and the "Maritime" corrosion resistant version of the D-436 (D-436TP) developed for use in the amphibian Be-200.

    In case Russia had no access to a full.supply chain for the engine, maybe it could be possible to just "swap" some parts (and if Russia has currently access to those parts) during an engine overhaul to modify a D-436-148 in a D-436 TP) . In this case they could use the engines of the fleet of An148 until they have a long term solution.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:43 am

    Additional 35 aircraft MS-21 for Aeroflot will be equipped with Russian engines

    Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov said that the airline is going to lease a lot of MS-21 in addition to the previously ordered 50


    MOSCOW, April 17th. / Tass /. An additional 35 MS-21 aircraft for Aeroflot will be equipped with the Russian PD-14 engine, Deputy Industry and Trade Minister Oleg Bocharov told journalists.

    The day before, Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov said that Aeroflot plans to lease a batch of 35 MS-21 aircraft in addition to the 50 already ordered.

    We have a readiness, we are working on all this (contract with Aeroflot - TASS approx.) We have now. These are 35 airplanes with PD-14 engines. That is, Aeroflot undertakes such an operation task,” he said .

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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:25 pm

    Russian PD-8 engine for the Be-200 amphibious aircraft to be built in five years - the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=506306&lang=RU


    Moscow. April 17th INTERFAX - The Russian PD-8 engine for the Be-200 amphibious aircraft should be built within five years, said Oleg Bocharov, deputy head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade.

    "We have extremely strict requirements for the JDC. I think five years is the maximum that I can give them," the deputy minister told reporters on Wednesday.
    He also noted that the decision that the Be-200 would not be equipped with the Russian-French SaM146 engine was finally made.

    “Yes, this decision was finally made,” said O. Bocharov, answering the relevant question.

    The Be-200 is a multipurpose amphibious aircraft assembled by the TANTK (MOEX: TAKB) named after Beriev (Taganrog), intended for firefighting, emergency assistance in emergency areas, search and rescue on water, sanitary and cargo transportation. Until now, the Be-200 was equipped with D-436 engines manufactured by the Ukrainian Motor Sich. But last year, O. Bocharov said that Ukraine had banned their delivery to Russia.

    SaM146 is a turbojet engine manufactured by PowerJet, a joint venture of the Russian company ODK-Saturn and the French Safran Aircraft Engines. SaM146 equipped with aircraft family Sukhoi Superjet.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:40 pm

    Austin wrote:Russian PD-8 engine for the Be-200 amphibious aircraft to be built in five years - the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=506306&lang=RU


    Moscow. April 17th INTERFAX - The Russian PD-8 engine for the Be-200 amphibious aircraft should be built within five years, said Oleg Bocharov, deputy head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade.

          "We have extremely strict requirements for the JDC. I think five years is the maximum that I can give them," the deputy minister told reporters on Wednesday.
          He also noted that the decision that the Be-200 would not be equipped with the Russian-French SaM146 engine was finally made.

          “Yes, this decision was finally made,” said O. Bocharov, answering the relevant question.

          The Be-200 is a multipurpose amphibious aircraft assembled by the TANTK (MOEX: TAKB) named after Beriev (Taganrog), intended for firefighting, emergency assistance in emergency areas, search and rescue on water, sanitary and cargo transportation. Until now, the Be-200 was equipped with D-436 engines manufactured by the Ukrainian Motor Sich. But last year, O. Bocharov said that Ukraine had banned their delivery to Russia.

          SaM146 is a turbojet engine manufactured by PowerJet, a joint venture of the Russian company ODK-Saturn and the French Safran Aircraft Engines. SaM146 equipped with aircraft family Sukhoi Superjet.

    As expected. This engine will later be used also in the ssj100 and, with a derate, on the ssj100/75.  Probably there will be also other possible applications.

    They could even sell it to the Chinese for an updated version of the Comac ARJ21 (that now is equipped with two relatively old american General Electric CF34 with 7.5 tons of thrust each).

    Edit:

    It is also important from a symbolic point of view. With this and the PD-24 (not too speak of the PD-35), all of the soviet engines previously build and designed in the ukraine will be replaced with a modern Russian version.
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    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:11 am

    PD-8 will have thrust around 8 to 8.5 T and Sam146 max thrust is 7.8 T

    So looks like right replacement for Sam146 engine for SSJ-100R and SSJ-75

    Sam146 has Bypass ratio of 5.5 and PD series of 8.5 so likely it will be more fuel effecient need to wait for official figures.

    Good Decision but a delayed one
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    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:29 pm

    Strange but True , Now they are saying SSJ-75 was an import substituted SSJ100 and not a 75 seater

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2019/04/18/585169.html


    DIdnt UAC mentioned there were looking at composite wings for 75 seater ?
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    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:09 am

    Austin wrote:PD-8 will have thrust around 8 to 8.5 T and Sam146 max thrust is 7.8 T

    So looks like right replacement for Sam146 engine for SSJ-100R and SSJ-75

    Sam146 has Bypass ratio of 5.5 and PD series of 8.5 so likely it will be more fuel effecient need to wait for official figures.

    Good Decision but a delayed one

    It is likely that the PD-35 will be developed over the same time frame. The hard work was getting the PD-14 designed,
    built and tested. The PD-8 and PD-35 are derivative designs that will take much less time to create.

    The PD project is a good example of why all the naysayers about Russia are wrong. If Russia was stuck in some 1990s
    mode of "corruption" and "no innovation" the PD-14 would never have come into existence. And any argument that
    says that Russia should have produced the PD-14 during the 1990s or even before 2010 is detached from reality.

    It is a miracle that Russia managed go through the worst depression in modern history associated with the change of its
    political and economic system and recover in about 20 years. People who ignore this transition period have nothing useful to say.
    Most people on this planet live in countries transitioning on the time scale of centuries.
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    Post  dino00 on Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:39 pm

    Irkut received the first russia Russian engines for MS-21 airliners

    MOSCOW, Apr 21 - RIA News. The first two Russian-made PD-14 engines for MS-21 airliners were handed over to the Irkut Aircraft Corporation, the press service of the United Engine Corporation (UEC) reported.
    In total, the UEC Perm Engines JSC has built 16 engines. Two more of them will be tested during the year and will also be handed over to the aircraft construction company.

    The engine was audited by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) commission under the supervision of representatives of the Federal Air Transport Agency. This is a step towards obtaining a production organization approval certificate for the production of the latest Russian civil aircraft engine PD-14 in accordance with the requirements of EASA Part 21.
    Such a certificate will allow foreign airlines to acquire and operate MS-21 airliners with PD-14 engines. The next arrival of EASA representatives is expected in October: the commission will study in detail the processes of manufacturing the parts of the new engine, and will also visit with a check one of the enterprises - suppliers of the JDC - Perm Motors.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:49 pm

    Good Interview with VIAM Chief ......Talks in details about PD-14 Engine

    https://rg.ru/2019/04/21/dlia-rossijskih-samoletov-sozdan-dvigatel-novogo-pokoleniia.html
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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:55 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Austin wrote:PD-8 will have thrust around 8 to 8.5 T and Sam146 max thrust is 7.8 T

    So looks like right replacement for Sam146 engine for SSJ-100R and SSJ-75

    Sam146 has Bypass ratio of 5.5 and PD series of 8.5 so likely it will be more fuel effecient need to wait for official figures.

    Good Decision but a delayed one

    It is likely that the PD-35 will be developed over the same time frame. The hard work was getting the PD-14 designed,
    built and tested. The PD-8 and PD-35 are derivative designs that will take much less time to create.


    Check the interview I posted.

    PD-14 lead to PD-8 , PD-12 and eventually PD-35 but PD-35 is more of new class of engine with new materials etc not a PD-14 derivative or scaled up model.

    I think their dropped the idea to make PD-18R GTF engine
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:25 pm

    Austin wrote:Good Interview with VIAM Chief ......Talks in details about PD-14 Engine

    https://rg.ru/2019/04/21/dlia-rossijskih-samoletov-sozdan-dvigatel-novogo-pokoleniia.html

    The interview is very interesting, to Vann7 especially the part:

    Key point: how it all began
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    Post  kvs on Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:09 pm

    Austin wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Austin wrote:PD-8 will have thrust around 8 to 8.5 T and Sam146 max thrust is 7.8 T

    So looks like right replacement for Sam146 engine for SSJ-100R and SSJ-75

    Sam146 has Bypass ratio of 5.5 and PD series of 8.5 so likely it will be more fuel effecient need to wait for official figures.

    Good Decision but a delayed one

    It is likely that the PD-35 will be developed over the same time frame.   The hard work was getting the PD-14 designed,
    built and tested.   The PD-8 and PD-35 are derivative designs that will take much less time to create.  


    Check the interview I posted.

    PD-14 lead to PD-8 , PD-12 and eventually PD-35  but PD-35 is more of new class of engine with new materials etc not a PD-14 derivative or scaled up model.

    I think their dropped the idea to make PD-18R GTF engine

    So they have changed their story. Several weeks ago it was still a PD-14 class engine. Now they are talking about a new design.

    But I will take all this yapping with a grain of salt. It is routine for the Russian media space to be full of all sorts of claims and predictions
    that have no basis in fact.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:47 pm

    I suggest you read these two write up one from UEC and other from FG for PD-35 program

    https://www.ruaviation.com/docs/3/2018/3/23/185/
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/contract-documents-reveal-plans-for-russias-new-wid-445047/
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    Post  Austin on Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:37 am

    ROSCOSMOS EXPECTS THAT THE IL-96-500T WILL CREATE IN THE STATED TIME

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2019/04/23/585717.html

    Roscosmos is interested in operating the IL-96-500T aircraft and hopes that this machine will be created within the stated time frame. This was reported on Tuesday Tass in the state corporation.

    Roscosmos State Corporation is interested in the start of production and operation of the Il-96-500T aircraft, which is designed to transport parts of rocket and space technology to the Vostochny space center. Roskosmos hopes that Il will be able to create this aircraft in the stated time frame, "said in Roscosmos.

    As followed from the presentation of the IL company, a copy of which is at TASS disposal, the company developed a draft design of the IL-96-500T aircraft with an enlarged fuselage for transporting oversized cargo, for example, transporting elements of Angara missiles to the Vostochny space center.

    All in all, IL plans to launch 16 aircraft of the new type from 2026 to 2034. Six of them are supposed to be handed over to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, six to commercial customers (through the leasing Ilyushin Finance Co.), four more will be built in the interests of Roskosmos and Russian-Chinese cooperation on CR929 wide-body aircraft.

    The cost of a prototype aircraft, including research and development, preparation for production, testing and certification, is estimated at 30.3 billion rubles. The cost of a production aircraft with a series of five units is 12 billion rubles, the payback period for commercial operation is 10-12 years. According to specialists, the project can be implemented in five to seven years.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:35 pm

    UAC Board of Directors launched the creation of a civil aviation division

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3618153.html
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:55 pm

    Austin wrote:ROSCOSMOS EXPECTS THAT THE IL-96-500T WILL CREATE IN THE STATED TIME

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2019/04/23/585717.html

    Roscosmos is interested in operating the IL-96-500T aircraft and hopes that this machine will be created within the stated time frame. This was reported on Tuesday Tass in the state corporation.

    Roscosmos State Corporation is interested in the start of production and operation of the Il-96-500T aircraft, which is designed to transport parts of rocket and space technology to the Vostochny space center. Roskosmos hopes that Il will be able to create this aircraft in the stated time frame, "said in Roscosmos.

    As followed from the presentation of the IL company, a copy of which is at TASS disposal, the company developed a draft design of the IL-96-500T aircraft with an enlarged fuselage for transporting oversized cargo, for example, transporting elements of Angara missiles to the Vostochny space center.

    All in all, IL plans to launch 16 aircraft of the new type from 2026 to 2034. Six of them are supposed to be handed over to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, six to commercial customers (through the leasing Ilyushin Finance Co.), four more will be built in the interests of Roskosmos and Russian-Chinese cooperation on CR929 wide-body aircraft.

    The cost of a prototype aircraft, including research and development, preparation for production, testing and certification, is estimated at 30.3 billion rubles. The cost of a production aircraft with a series of five units is 12 billion rubles, the payback period for commercial operation is 10-12 years. According to specialists, the project can be implemented in five to seven years.
    it seems like a similar concept to.the airbus Beluga, whose new version was otained modifying a airbus A330. It is good for oversized, but not too heavy cargo.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:20 pm

    There are plans to sell Aviakor aircraft building plant in Samara or change its scope.

    http://m.trkterra.ru/news/aviakor-prodayut


    Let's hope it will be acquired by UAC, modernized, and used to supply parts for the new civil arcratfts or to even assemble some of them, if a new production line is needed.

    As far as I understand, they only produced outdated models and only with support of Kharkov aviation plant.
    They were hoping to get some contracts even for assembly of ,il-76. It was probably a correct decision to
    prioritize on the assets already own by UAC, and not to give free money to an oligarch that do not even.invest himself in such plant. Now, however,.it.will be time to "save" this plant, buying it for a small price the bankrupted company and nationalizing it, so that it could be modernised and.used to.support the growing aeronautical industry.
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    "AVIAKOR" SELL?

    The Russian Machines Corporation, affiliated to well-known Russian businessman Oleg Deripaska, is considering rejecting the Aviakor Samara Aviation Plant belonging to it, federal media reports referring to the regional Ministry of Industry and Trade. In addition, the owner of the plant is now exploring the possibility of changing its purpose. This statement was made by a representative of the department at a meeting of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security. Whether it is a question of conversion or reorientation to other aircraft is not specified. Samara Aviakor in recent years has been generating losses for hundreds of millions of rubles. Today, judging by data from various sources, the plant receives up to 50 percent of the volume of sales of products from aircraft overhaul. Experts say that the main reason for the negative financial indicator is the massive decommissioning of Tupolev machines. Negatively affect the plant and litigation with the Ministry of Defense. The military are trying to recover more than 2 billion 200 million rubles in advance from Samarans through court. The case concerns the delivery of 99 airplanes, of which the customer received only 4. The Samarans could not fully fulfill the contract, referring to the events in Ukraine that led to the breaking of all ties with the most important supplier, the Antonov Kharkov plant. In the appeal, Aviakor managed to reduce the claim to 1 billion 300 million. In addition, a criminal case has now been initiated against the plant’s general director Alexei Gusev. According to unofficial data, he illegally ordered an advance from the military, partially paying them expenses under other agreements and placing them on bank deposits.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:26 pm

    Common issue with a lot of defense companies in Russia. They are going to file for bankruptcy and sell off for pennies to Rostec or other enterprises. This would be a good addition to Russian UAC/ROSTEC in getting the plant to overhaul military and civil jets they make and or supply spare parts.

    Or a bank may purchase it and do something with it.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:53 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Common issue with a lot of defense companies in Russia.  They are going to file for bankruptcy and sell off for pennies to Rostec or other enterprises.  This would be a good addition to Russian UAC/ROSTEC in getting the plant to overhaul military and civil jets they make and or supply spare parts.

    Or a bank may purchase it and do something with it.



    let's hope.it will have a better fate than rhe saratov aviation plant.

    For me it was criminal what happened there. They destroyed an important aviation plant, still active, and opened a shopping mall in parts of it...

    Wikipedia wrote:

    In 2010, the plant virtually ceased to exist, the bankruptcy procedure was resumed. About 200 people remained from the 30,000-strong team.

    The factory airfield "Saratov-Yuzhny" is closed, its territory is for sale. Almost all the hangars and the runway were dismantled . In the only remaining body of the airfield are held discos [5] .

    Unique documents, photos and video archive disappeared in dilapidated buildings.

    The new leadership of Oleg Fomin destroyed the memorial complex in memory of the victims of World War II [6] . The Folk Museum of the Saratov Aviation Plant also ceased to exist. Museum exhibits and two GKO banners were transferred to the museum of the Technical University of Saratov . The orders of the plant and the Banner of the Saratov Aviation Plant were withdrawn from those who bankrupted the plant only by the efforts of the Saratov police and were transferred to the regional museum of the Saratov region [7] .

    On August 13, 2012, the arbitration court of the Saratov region decided to terminate the bankruptcy proceedings as part of the bankruptcy of the Saratov Aviation Plant and its exclusion from the Register of Legal Entities of the Russian Federation [8] . Thus, the multi-year bankruptcy procedure was completed.

    On September 21, 2012, the Saratov Aviation Plant was deleted from the Register of Legal Entities of the Russian Federation.

    This is the first case in the history of Soviet and Russian aviation, when the manufacturer discontinued operational and technical support (maintenance, repair, spare parts, etc.) of aircraft in service ( Yak-42 , Yak-42D).
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:21 pm

    That was then, this is now.  Back then Rostec barely had the assets and money.  Although, too many aircraft manufacturing/assembly shops is also not good too cause the market isn't that huge either.  Best scenario would have been to reduce workforce and reorient the facility to work on other aircrafts and seek contracts.  Yak-42 is just....nothing anymore.

    Aviastar SP is also working with Il-76 jets so it may be rather hard to get this previous company up to terms on working on them as well.  So we will see.  Maybe they may just let it go.

    The days of making thousands of aircrafts are long over.  So there may be way too many locations that are just no longer needed.  Hate to say and it sucks.  But that is reality of things.  Cause if you keep them alive but do not have the need for them as the other sites do not have full capacity, then what would be the point of keeping them alive?

    There are quite a few existing Russian aircraft manufacturers that fall even under UAC. So I doubt they may be interested in this after all, since the other aircraft plants are barely producing as well with others opening their own plants to produce jets (SSJ-100 and MS-21 at existing facilities).
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    Post  Hole on Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:41 pm

    Russian Civil Aviation: News #3 - Page 14 16572910
    Il-96-500T

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    Possible loads and distances.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:22 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian Civil Aviation: News #3 - Page 14 16572910
    Il-96-500T
    .............

    Waiting on Zak to scream how rockets can only be delivered to Vostochnii by train...
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    Post  Hole on Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:04 pm

    Next step: Il-96-600T - stretched fuselage, four PD-35 engines. Very Happy

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