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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  Austin on Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:29 pm

    Finally Great News

    SSJ100 will be 100% Russian russia

    https://aviation21.ru/ssj100-budet-na-100-rossijskim/
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  Austin on Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:19 pm

    The Ministry of Industry and Trade plans to order the development of a fully Russian SSJ-100

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6207068

    MOSCOW, March 11. / TASS /. The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation plans to order the development of an SSJ-100 aircraft entirely from Russian components this year, said Mikhail Bogatyrev, deputy head of the aviation industry department at the Ministry of Industry and Trade, at a meeting in the Federation Council on fleet modernization.

    "A technical assignment for the development of a fully Russian SuperJet-100 (SSJ-100) aircraft is being agreed with a 100% replacement [of imported components], including engines," Bogatyrev said. According to him, it is planned to complete its approval in the first half of this year, and it will take four years from the time of approval of the technical project for development.

    As Bogatyrev added, the engine for SuperJet is planned to be developed on the basis of the PD-14 engine. As a result, the aircraft will be import-replaced, right up to the pipelines. Now the PD-14 engines are planned to be installed on the MS-21 airliner, the first production model is being tested, and the development of options with less burden is underway.

    SuperJet is now equipped with Russian-French SaM146 engines, which, when operated, have airlines faced with a shortage and long delivery time for spare parts for breakdowns.

    In 2018, the development of the SSJ-100R modification began, which implies an increase in the share of Russian components to 50-60%.
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    Post  Austin on Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:20 pm

    The Ministry of Industry and Trade plans to order the development of a fully Russian SSJ-100

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6207068

    MOSCOW, March 11. / TASS /. The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation plans to order the development of an SSJ-100 aircraft entirely from Russian components this year, said Mikhail Bogatyrev, deputy head of the aviation industry department at the Ministry of Industry and Trade, at a meeting in the Federation Council on fleet modernization.

    "A technical assignment for the development of a fully Russian SuperJet-100 (SSJ-100) aircraft is being agreed with a 100% replacement [of imported components], including engines," Bogatyrev said. According to him, it is planned to complete its approval in the first half of this year, and it will take four years from the time of approval of the technical project for development.

    As Bogatyrev added, the engine for SuperJet is planned to be developed on the basis of the PD-14 engine. As a result, the aircraft will be import-replaced, right up to the pipelines. Now the PD-14 engines are planned to be installed on the MS-21 airliner, the first production model is being tested, and the development of options with less burden is underway.

    SuperJet is now equipped with Russian-French SaM146 engines, which, when operated, have airlines faced with a shortage and long delivery time for spare parts for breakdowns.

    In 2018, the development of the SSJ-100R modification began, which implies an increase in the share of Russian components to 50-60%.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  dino00 on Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:54 pm

    Fully Russian is very good news, if it had components from friend contrys its ok, but from enemies was really asking for
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:17 am

    Well another bonus of going all Russian is that now it becomes a candidate for Russian military orders and also Russian military export orders... they will own the design and components so sanctions wont effect delivery or customers options...
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  Austin on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:04 am

    Very Interesting this should give new lease of life for all Tu-204 types

    Russia To Convert Tu-204 Passenger Jets into Freighters


    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-03-11/russia-convert-tu-204-passenger-jets-freighters
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:13 pm

    Austin wrote:Very Interesting this should give new lease of life for all Tu-204 types

    Russia To Convert Tu-204 Passenger Jets into Freighters


    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-03-11/russia-convert-tu-204-passenger-jets-freighters

    As long as leasing/maintenance network is there they have good chance. So primarily in CIS/Russia + Iran? Asia? I hope 204 production will restart for time being.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:17 am

    They have Ilyushin which has a financing structure for both maintenance contracts and airplane purchases for leasing. So I imagine they will jump all over this.

    Or a sanctioned bank.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:01 am

    Austin wrote:Very Interesting this should give new lease of life for all Tu-204 types

    Russia To Convert Tu-204 Passenger Jets into Freighters


    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-03-11/russia-convert-tu-204-passenger-jets-freighters
    it's interesting because it is exactly what I wished in post a few pages ago in this topic. Let's see how it develops. In case there was the interest, they could also propose Iran to assembly some Tu-204 passenger jets there.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  william.boutros on Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:43 pm

    Austin wrote:The Ministry of Industry and Trade plans to order the development of a fully Russian SSJ-100

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6207068

    MOSCOW, March 11. / TASS /. The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation plans to order the development of an SSJ-100 aircraft entirely from Russian components this year, said Mikhail Bogatyrev, deputy head of the aviation industry department at the Ministry of Industry and Trade, at a meeting in the Federation Council on fleet modernization.

    "A technical assignment for the development of a fully Russian SuperJet-100 (SSJ-100) aircraft is being agreed with a 100% replacement [of imported components], including engines," Bogatyrev said. According to him, it is planned to complete its approval in the first half of this year, and it will take four years from the time of approval of the technical project for development.

    As Bogatyrev added, the engine for SuperJet is planned to be developed on the basis of the PD-14 engine. As a result, the aircraft will be import-replaced, right up to the pipelines. Now the PD-14 engines are planned to be installed on the MS-21 airliner, the first production model is being tested, and the development of options with less burden is underway.

    SuperJet is now equipped with Russian-French SaM146 engines, which, when operated, have airlines faced with a shortage and long delivery time for spare parts for breakdowns.

    In 2018, the development of the SSJ-100R modification began, which implies an increase in the share of Russian components to 50-60%.
    I don't understand how it goes with engines. PD-14 is a significant step forward but does not reach the same performance of Pratt engines. That being said will the size development and modifications include further R&D work towards additional improvements?
    SSJ100 was not as economical as planned. Will the new version include further development to make it competitive with the new generation models?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:53 pm

    how does it not meet similar to Pratt and Whitney?

    The PD-14 is apparently one of if not most efficient of its class.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:12 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:how does it not meet similar to Pratt and Whitney?

    The PD-14 is apparently one of if not most efficient of its class.

    I do not.know if we have already realistic.comparisons for Specific fuel.consumption.
    The only parameter that some people criticized was the lower bypass ratio compared to the new generation western engines.

    Russia decided not to go too extreme with the bypass ratio of 8.5 to 1, instead of 11:1 of the cfm leap and more than 12.5 of the pratt and whittney. It is anyway much more than the previous generation engines (PS90, V2500 and CFM56).

    The advantages of having an even higher bypass than for the PD-14 are not really clear (or in cases of short routes not existing) and they would introduce increased drag and weight.

    In addition, retrofitting such engines in an airframe not designed for.them created additional problems for ground clearance, and as it has been seen in the last days, the solution used in the Boeing 737 were less than ideal.

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    Post  william.boutros on Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:28 pm

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    miketheterrible wrote: In addition, retrofitting such engines in an airframe not designed for.them created additional problems for ground clearance, and as it has been seen in the last days, the solution used in the Boeing 737 were less than ideal.
    How does the 737 tragedy relate to pd-14 fuel consumption?
    I hope SSJ-100 improves its fuel economy and maintenance.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:26 pm

    Because of the new, more powerful engine the nose of the 737 tends to go up in some flight modes so a software was implemented to counter it automatically. But sometimes the software misinterprets the data from the sensors and puts the nose down when it isn´t appropriate.

    The PD-14 is the basis for a new generation of engines. There will be even a version for heavy helicopters.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:17 am

    Don't see how a different bypass ratio makes an aircraft engine better or worse... a low bypass ratio is for higher flight speeds... a no bypass ratio is a turbojet.

    If it does not effect the thrust performance or fuel burn then who cares what the bypass ratio is... that is a pointless statistic in terms of the value of the engine.

    Lower bypass engines should be able to allow higher flight speeds as less airflow is bypassing the hot section of the engine... if it can do that without excessive fuel burn then that is actually a good thing.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  Austin on Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:28 am

    miketheterrible wrote:how does it not meet similar to Pratt and Whitney?

    The PD-14 is apparently one of if not most efficient of its class.

    I recollect reading an old interview with PD designer which I even posted here where it mentioned PD-14 on MS-21 will be 1 % more fuel effecient than P&W GTF engine

    PD-14 is as effecient as P&W and LEAP Design and as some one said they wanted to keep it simple as well to reduce maintenance.

    Considering NEO is facing serious issues with P&W GTF engine where engine would flame our or shudder in mid-air and in my country they have decided to revise the schedule check for GTF engine.

    LEAP design so far as been smooth on NEO
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  Austin on Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:28 am

    The government offered "Victory" instead of 30 Boeing Max to buy Russian MS-21


    https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/03/14/796463-pravitelstvo-predlozhilo-pobede-kupit-rossiiskie-ms-21
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

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    Post  dino00 on Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:52 pm

    The third prototype MS-21-300 began flight testing



    This year, the fourth prototype will join the flight tests, the construction of which is currently underway at the Irkutsk aircraft factory.

    Today, the first flight of the third prototype MS-21-300 took place at the airport of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant. This is the press service of the KLA.

    The flight took place at an altitude of 3.5 kilometers at a speed of up to 500 kilometers per hour. It lasted 90 minutes.

    “Flight tests of the MS-21-300 aircraft are continuing. Today a third car connected to them. In addition to special testing equipment, the passenger cabin is installed on this aircraft, ”said Denis Manturov, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.

    According to him, it was decided to hold the premiere show of the MS-21-300 aircraft with a passenger interior at the MAKS-2019 aerospace show.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201903160959-efib.htm
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  Austin on Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:49 pm

    Does MS-21 also has the same law for Automation like Airbus , Normal Alternate Direct ?

    Is there any known system in MS-21 to Delay or Avoid Stall ?

    I means what is the Russian Aircraft Philosophy when it comes to Automation is it like Boeing where Pilot have control or Airbus where automation is emphasized ?
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #3

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:47 am

    Traditionally in the military the pilot has control.

    In an F-16 the control is fixed and the system detects the amount of force the pilot applies to the stick and activates the controls based on the amount of force used, but it does not exceed hard limits... so the pilot wont be able to turn at max rate... only max allowable rate.

    The MiG-29 pilot has soft limits where he will pull back on the stick and then hit resistance... that is the limit for the aircraft... the pilot... if he so chooses can pull harder and pull through that limit and exceed the performance of the aircraft with the risk of a failure or damage... it is up to the pilot.

    Of course exceeding 9g might do damage to the structure, but not as much damage as flying into the ground would, so the pilot is able to decide but will be held accountable for his decision.

    I remember that collision of the Russian aircraft with the children on a trip to europe that collided with the cargo plane, the flight controller overruled the automatic systems on the aircraft and ordered the Russian plane to climb when his instruments told him to descend which led to the crash.

    I believe one of the fathers of one of the children that died ended up stabbing the air controller and killing him, which was about the only justice they got in that case...

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