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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:58 am

    Can anyone show me where it says that the A-235 will be mobile?

    Dont mean to rain on the parade.
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    Post  eehnie on Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:47 am


    http://www.milkavkaz.net/2016/08/kakovo-sostoyanie-protivoraketnoj-oborony-vks-rf.html
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4725p50-a235-nudol-asat-abm-system#184520

    also up in this page there is some reference to mobile nudol
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:08 am

    The problem I have is that a picture of a truck that carried Nudel is not evidence that Nudel is mobile.

    Previous models of ABM systems were paraded in Red Square on the back of trucks but they were not mobile either.'

    Those were just the trucks that transported the missiles to their silos to prepare for launch.

    Of course now that the ABM treaty is gone there is nothing to stop mobile ABM systems sprouting up all over the place.

    Nudel, S-500, S-400 are all impressive SAM systems, but together they would be the best ABM system available.








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    Post  eehnie on Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:39 am

    GarryB wrote:The problem I have is that a picture of a truck that carried Nudel is not evidence that Nudel is mobile.

    Previous models of ABM systems were paraded in Red Square on the back of trucks but they were not mobile either.'

    Those were just the trucks that transported the missiles to their silos to prepare for launch.

    Of course now that the ABM treaty is gone there is nothing to stop mobile ABM systems sprouting up all over the place.

    Nudel, S-500, S-400 are all impressive SAM systems, but together they would be the best ABM system available.



    The picture is of a model in firing position, not only of a truck transporting missiles.



    Benya wrote:I'm not sure if this has been posted here:

    Render image of the A-235 "Nudol" system's TEL from Milkavkaz.net

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    Note that this is fictional, and the real steel system may vary in look.

    Source: Arrow http://www.milkavkaz.net/2016/08/kakovo-sostoyanie-protivoraketnoj-oborony-vks-rf.html
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:25 am

    Found this on an old link (from Mindstorm I think) about EW but containing info about the mysterious plasma shield that could be used against ICBMs:

    https://vpk.name/news/118545_Elektromagnitnoe_oruzhie_v_chem_rossiiskaya_armiya_operedila_konkurentov.html

    Interesting developments niirp (now a division of the concern PVO "Almaz-Antey") and Physical-technical Institute. Ioffe. Exploring the impact of powerful microwave radiation from earth to air, objects (goals), these institutions suddenly received local plasma formations, which are obtained at the intersection of the radiation flux from several sources. In contact with these formations of aerial targets has undergone tremendous dynamic overload and was destroyed.Coherent sources of microwave radiation, could quickly change the focus point, that is, to make retargeting with great speed or to accompany objects of almost any of the aerodynamic characteristics. Experiments have shown that the impact effectively even in combat units ICBMs. In fact, it's not even microwave weapons, and combat plasmoids. Unfortunately, when in 1993, the authors presented a draft system air defense/missile defense, based on these principles, to the state, Boris Yeltsin proposed joint development of the American President.Although the cooperation on the project did not take place, perhaps that is what pushed the Americans to the creation in Alaska of HAARP (High freguencu Active Auroral Research Program) is a research project to study the ionosphere and Aurora. Note that the peace project somehow has the funding Agency DARPA at the Pentagon.

    To complement:

    https://www.wired.com/2007/05/plasma-shield-m/

    The Plasma Shield might have an even better trick up its sleeve though, especially when larger versions are built. It relates to Russian work on plasma aerodynamics, the way that ionized gas influences the airflow around an object. (I’ve previously looked at some bizarre radioactive stealth technologyfrom the 50’s related to this. ) Inject even a tiny amount of plasma into the airflow around a missile or aircraft, and the friction drops radically.
    If only one side of the missile gets the plasma – well, it’ll be a bumpy ride.

    In the 90’s the Russian physicist Rimily Avramenko proposed this method for taking out ballistic missiles:

    Their action is based on focusing beams of electromagnetic energy produced by laser or microwave radiation into the upper layers of the atmosphere….A
    cloud of highly ionized air arises at the focus of the laser or microwave rays, at an altitude of up to 50 kilometers. Upon entering it, any object–a missile, an airplane, is deflected from its trajectory and disintegrates in response to the fantastic overloads arising due to the abrupt pressure difference …What is fundamental in this case is that the energy aimed by the terrestrial components of the plasma weapon–lasers and antennas–is concentrated not at the target itself but a little ahead of it. Rather than "incinerating" the missile or airplane, it "bumps" it out of trajectory.


    The Russians refer to such balls of plasma as plasmoids. Although there is some speculation that their high-power radar could produce plasmoids in the upper atmosphere for defensive use, this has not been proven. (Just, please, don’t mention HAARP.) But the laser system used in PASS has been proven.

    Alex Long, CEO of Stellar Photonics, which makes the PASS laser, tells me that future systems will have much greater range than the current laser. The focusing requirements are much simpler than for high-power energy weapons like the Airborne Laser (or ABL, a ray gun-equipped 747 jet), making longer ranges more feasible.

    The technology which produces small plasma detonations in PASS could put larger plasmoids in the path of missiles and aircraft high in the atmosphere. Rather than using massive amounts of energy to burn through the missile’s casing, just a small amount of laser-created plasma could turn the missile’s own speed against it, tripping it up in a piece of cosmic judo. A small, low-energy pulse laser may turn out to be more effective for missile defense than the giant chemical laser in the $7.3 billion ABL.

    Amazing stuff... could be used as ABM system, for aerodynamics, as counter-countermeasure etc.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:30 pm

    When can we expect Russian ABM systems to enter sevice?

    Not developing Russias ABM potential seems like a wasted oportunity to gain an advantage.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:04 am

    When can we expect Russian ABM systems to enter sevice?

    Not developing Russias ABM potential seems like a wasted oportunity to gain an advantage.

    Perhaps you have been napping... the Soviets had the only operational ABM system operating around moscow since the early 1980s.

    The 1972 ABM treaty allowed each side one ABM system that had to be on their own territory and could be around their capital city or around an ICBM field.

    The US build an ABM system around an ICBM field but it was never operational... the Soviets and now Russians had a system around Moscow and it has been upgraded over the years and is still fully operational and being improved.

    Nudol is reportedly A235, the missile it is replacing is A135... often called Galosh.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:21 am


    Best defense is to finally break nuclear taboo

    Nobody will take their nuclear deterrence seriously enough until they find next volunteers and roast them

    Unused weapons are useless weapons

    Wait for next idiots to step forward and throttle them

    See if Instagram generation in USA is willing to take one for the team (spoiler: they ain't)
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:42 am

    Why the hesitation? The ABM treaty is gone shouldn,t these systems be in every major city by now?
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:51 pm

    My impression is that Russia is in the process of developing the S-500 to be multi-use system (including ABM) that will be deployed
    around the country. The ABM treaty was shredded by the USA when Russia was still weak from the 1990s and 1980s rot. The
    S-500 is not a trivial piece of technology and it is not too shabby for it to arrive on a 10-15 year timescale.

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    Post  Hole on Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:33 pm

    Plus Nudol as ABM/ASAT, also mobile (at least partly).

    Can´t wait until these systems are deployed and the west starts screaming about the dangerous for western civil aircraft and evil russian aggression… Laughing Wink
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:44 am

    The S-500 is part of the air defence network and wont be located anywhere on its own.

    The land based model will likely be defending major things like major naval ports, major city centres in each region, large military airfields, ICBM sites, submarine bases, strategic bomber airfields and large military bases that could all be targetted by SLBMs or other long range ballistic weapons, but those things will also be targeted by cruise missile attack and bomber and strike aircraft attack too so they will likely be co-located with S-400 and S-350 and TOR and Pantsir, combining all sorts of sensors and systems.... jammers, decoys, and all sorts of clever things.

    Nudel is probably more of an expansion of the previous moscow ABM system, and will likely need rather more radar and infrastructure to work properly, so it might be designed to operate with major radar installations... certainly around Moscow, but perhaps also near St Petersberg and other major cities perhaps...

    Its mobility perhaps means it can be launched from several places in the moscow region or the region it is protecting but that it wont try to cover the whole country with much greater moves...
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    Post  Hole on Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:21 pm

    If the Nudol system needs the Don-2 radar for battle management this problem could be solved by building 2 - 3 new radars to cover the whole of the country.

    The ABM treaty is gone so no one can hinder Russia at building new radars and silos close to big cities.
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    Post  RTN on Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:The S-500 is part of the air defence network and wont be located anywhere on its own.

    Will all the missiles of the S-500 system be supersonic ?

    IIRC, almost all the missiles of THAAD, PAC-3 are supersonic.

    Also what percentage of various Russian cruise missiles are supersonic ?
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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:58 pm

    whats the status of s-500 really? we read every 2 years that it will be presented in MAKS airshow but we see nothing
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    Post  Hole on Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:53 pm

    A week ago or so there were news that the first soldiers are trained for S-500 and that it will be deployed next year.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:44 am

    Will all the missiles of the S-500 system be supersonic ?

    We don't have a lot of information about it, except it is designed to intercept targets with a flight speed of 7km/s, and also out to about 600km in horizontal range and above 200km in altitude and possibly much much higher, so it is probably pretty safe to say it is likely supersonic... likely hypersonic in fact...

    IIRC, almost all the missiles of THAAD, PAC-3 are supersonic.

    Yep, SA-10, SA-12, SA-20 are all highly supersonic and can engage very fast targets... 2.8km/s, 2.5km/s, and 4.8km/s respectively for S-300PMU, Antei-2500 (S-300VM), and S-400.

    Also what percentage of various Russian cruise missiles are supersonic

    The vast majority of land attack cruise missiles are subsonic, but the vast majority of anti ship missiles are supersonic... and pretty much all their anti ship missiles have backup land attack capability.

    whats the status of s-500 really? we read every 2 years that it will be presented in MAKS airshow but we see nothing

    It has been mentioned that the S-500 and S-350 are entering service this year and full production... along with new models of BUK and TOR and Pantsir...
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:17 am

    S500 Shoigu Said 2020.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:07 am

    Research and development for Russia's S-500 system nears completion

    Earlier, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the system would begin to be provided for the armed forces in 2020

    GORKI, April 24. /TASS/. Research and development for the S-500 air defense system is in the final phase, Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov told the media on Wednesday.

    "I’m talking about the completion of research and development and the subsequent beginning of batch production. I can now say that the R&D work is about to be completed," Manturov said.

    Earlier, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the system would begin to be provided for the armed forces in 2020. The Aerospace Force Academy in Tver has been training operators for it since 2017.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1055420
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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:03 pm

    Rostec chief Chemezov: serial production of S-500 air defense systems to start in 2020

    According to him, Russia will not be exporting the new air defense system in the course of five years

    MOSCOW, September 16. /TASS/. The serial production of Russia’s most advanced S-500 long-range air defense missile system will start in the second half of 2020, CEO of Russia’s state hi-tech corporation Rostec Sergei Chemezov said in an interview with business daily RBC.

    "I believe that the serial production will begin in one year time," Chemezov said.

    According to him, Russia will not be exporting the new air defense system in the course of five years, because "first of all, we need to provide for our Army and only then start export production."

    The S-500 is set to replace the S-400 air defense missile system. The S-500 is being developed for its operation in the next 25 years. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu earlier said that the deliveries of S-500 surface-to-air missile systems to the troops would begin in 2020.

    Russia has been training personnel at the Aerospace Defense Military Academy in Tver to learn to operate the S-500 since 2017.

    https://tass.com/defense/1078218

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