Russian ABM Development

Pervius wrote:Didn't you find it odd shortly after they did that....the US shot down a satellite in space. Was it 'their own'....or a counter strike?

I'd guess....counter strike.

Austin wrote:I think the A-235 will be silo based similar to US NMD system and S-500 will be like mobile SM-3 system defending city from ICBM while A-235 will defend a much larger area plus take out space target at higher altitude.

I read S-500 could take out LEO target like Sats and its max intercept altitude is 200 km.

Any thing from SOC on this ?

SOC wrote:A-235 is (or was?) supposed to be the A-135 replacement. Wether this involves a new missile and an upgraded Don-2N or a new missile and a wholly new radar, I don't know. Haven't heard of an ASAT capability attributed to the A-235, or the A-135 for that matter. Plus, haven't heard too much since the S-500 was announced, so there is a possibility that the A-235 has been superceded by the S-500, or that the "A-235 system" will actually be composed of S-500s as its interceptor component. There were plans for a GAZELLE follow-on as well but nothing apparently came from those...but I wouldn't be suprised if that weapon found its way into the S-500 as the missile component either.

A mobile SM-3 is a good comparison to the S-500. The S-500 is supposed to be a mobile ABM (not ATBM like the S-300V) with the capability to hit satellites in LEO. Designing one system to perform both roles is not a stretch at all, the intercept dynamics for an exoatmospheric engagement are very similar.

The S-500's capability and existance for a good while now as a program does make the Russian complaints about where/how the US is planning to put ABMs a bit hilarious. Apparently only American ABM systems affect the strategic balance...

The goal of the test was to confirm the technical characteristics of the missile used by the Defense Ministry’s Space Command.

06/22/12 THE LATEST MISSILE DESTROYERS WITH THE ELEMENTS IN RUSSIA WILL BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN 2016

June 22 2012 .



RIA Novosti reported. United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) in 2016, plans to lay the first ship in a series of destroyers with the elements of a missile defense (NMD), reported in Friday's CEO Roman Trotsenko.



"There is talk of building a series of six destroyers eskadrovyh new model with the elements of a missile and space defense on them," - said Trotsenko reporters at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.



Which elements of the missile is in question, is not specified. According to the USC, designing destroyers already begun, "laying of the first ship will happen in 2016."



The project is developing specialists destroyers of the Northern Design Bureau, said Trotsenko. Build an order will be in St. Petersburg. "Most likely, order will be divided equally between the North and Baltic shipyard factory", - said the head of the corporation.



"It will, in fact, pivot points of the Russian space defense system in the world ocean" - said Trotsenko of destroyers of the new series.

http://ria.ru

GarryB wrote:Placing ABM missiles on ships makes them very mobile and more flexible.

Almaz-Antei have publicly stated that the ABM missiles after S-500 will likely be air launched.

Certainly something released from a Mig-31 at mach 2.5 at 18km up should be able to hit satellites operating in quite high orbits.

Viktor wrote:Here is one interesting development.

I guess new Russian destroyers apart from being nuclear will also field S-500 system.

Ships will be part of mobile NMD.

06/22/12 THE LATEST MISSILE DESTROYERS WITH THE ELEMENTS IN RUSSIA WILL BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN 2016

June 22 2012 .



RIA Novosti reported. United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) in 2016, plans to lay the first ship in a series of destroyers with the elements of a missile defense (NMD), reported in Friday's CEO Roman Trotsenko.



"There is talk of building a series of six destroyers eskadrovyh new model with the elements of a missile and space defense on them," - said Trotsenko reporters at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.



Which elements of the missile is in question, is not specified. According to the USC, designing destroyers already begun, "laying of the first ship will happen in 2016."



The project is developing specialists destroyers of the Northern Design Bureau, said Trotsenko. Build an order will be in St. Petersburg. "Most likely, order will be divided equally between the North and Baltic shipyard factory", - said the head of the corporation.



"It will, in fact, pivot points of the Russian space defense system in the world ocean" - said Trotsenko of destroyers of the new series.

http://ria.ru

flamming_python wrote:
Well that was pretty much a given. Where else are they going to place such systems? There's probably only room on the new destroyers, Kirovs and maybe Slava's with some heavy conversion (although I doubt that they will place it on the Slavas)

Or perhaps satelite launched?

Well that was pretty much a given. Where else are they going to place such systems? There's probably only room on the new destroyers, Kirovs and maybe Slava's with some heavy conversion (although I doubt that they will place it on the Slavas)

Python you not only are a Russian but served in Russian navy, stop using them foul Western names for our ships! :p

Yekaterinburg arriving @ Zvezdochka for repairs after the fire.

Who knew Russia will use ships as part of NMD. It makes difference with radar system and missile load. I tought S-400 will be weapon of its choice and Russia future destroyer will have primary air defense role besides ability to launch devastating missile attack or seek and destroy subs.

26.06.12 DESTROYERS WILL SHIP NEXT VERSION OF C-500
June 26 2012 .

News, Denis Thalmann. Destroyers (destroyers), which Russia should start producing in 2016, will be equipped with anti-ship variant of the C-500. This "Izvestia" said a source in the military-industrial complex. He also noted that the development of the complex may be delayed, so the first ships can equip the previous generation C-400.

- The S-500 will be ready in the gland until 2014. Not the fact that we're gonna bring it to the version of the ship in 2016. So, probably on the ship's head will be installed shipboard version of the C-400, which is almost ready. Then it will replace the separate systems for S-500. But the problem lies elsewhere - to work in near space is needed long-range missile, which is still not ready for either C-400 or C-500, - said the source, "Izvestia".

The system of aerospace defense S-500, which promises to construct in 2015, will have to knock down objects flying at an altitude of more than 185 km at a distance of more than 3,5 thousand km from the launcher.

The latest development of the existing manufacturers is S-400 system, which can destroy targets at a height of 5 m to 185 km . However, for high-rise buildings need a new missile 40N6E, which can not be created for several years. Next-generation missile that can fly even higher, too, is open to question.

Source of "Izvestia" added that without the launch complex will be unfit for combat missile, and compared the situation with submarines, "Northwind" - the lead ship of "Yuri Dolgoruky" was launched in 2008, but due to problems with the missile "Bulava" to has not yet been adopted by the Navy.

In Concern PVO "Almaz-Antei", "Izvestia" refused to specify what kind of system they will develop for the new destroyers, arguing that "the issue is still too early to discuss."

At Northern Shipyard "Izvestia" confirmed that they will participate in the tender for the construction of destroyers, but noted that as long as they do not know what the project.

- What the designers lay in the ship, we do not know. What lay - and then we will build. Currently work is being done at the design stage, so anything definite can be said only when the project will be approved by the head of ship - said the representative of the shipyards.

In the North PBC "Izvestia" were told that the complex air-defense destroyers will be the new modular and interchangeable, but declined to specify the parameters of the system, referring to state secret.

The expiring July 1 of the USC Roman Trotsenko told reporters that the anti-missile destroyers will be built in 2016 as an "anchor points of the Russian space defense system in the oceans."

Chief Editor of "Arsenal of the Fatherland" Victor Murakhovski believes that the system S-400 or C-500 on the new destroyers will provide cover for naval forces outside Russian territorial waters.

- The U.S. is now developing the concept of "Prompt Global Strike", which involves striking the intercontinental ballistic missiles and cruise strategic U.S. for a few hours to anywhere in the world, including the ship's connections. We have also a powerful long-range air defense system is not available - in fact only the C-300F is on a single atomic cruiser - said Murakhovski.

In addition, the expert pointed out that the C-500 in contrast to the C-400, which is designed for air defense, creating a missile defense system, including it will be able to deal with hypersonic facilities that are actively developing the United States.

He stressed that the naval variant of the C-500, 56 samples of which are going to purchase up to 2020, fit only ships with a large displacement from the destroyer and above - on the corvettes and frigates, C-500 will not fit.

Former Chief of Staff Viktor Esin announced SRF "Izvestia" that we are talking about creating a unified system of air and missile defense borders of Russia.
http://izvestia.ru/

INTERFAX.RU - The newest anti-aircraft missile system S-500, which is created for the benefit of air-space defense, tactical and technical characteristics surpass American counterparts, "Interfax" Commander Col. Gen. EKR Oleg Ostapenko.

According to him, work on the S-500 is on schedule and will be completed before 2020.

He noted that the C-500 will be better than any American counterpart.