VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

GarryB wrote:
the R-37M has been intended for use by the MiG-29M, Su-27M, and Pak Fa since the 1980s. Do you think they would forget to include the necessary hardware?

Ok , so you are saying that Su 35S & PAK-FA will be using a different data link and not Lazur ?

Ok , so you are saying that Su 35S & PAK-FA will be using a different data link and not Lazur ?

They are both supposed to be fitted with L band AESA arrays in their wing roots. L Band is commonly used for datalinks including Link 16.

Mindstorm probably has more information on the subject, but the PVO have been using long range datalinks for decades... and the PVO had plenty of Su-27s in service, and indeed was the primary user of the Su-30.

GarryB wrote:It would include IR spectrum to scan for heat plume of incoming rocket or missile and heated nose tip of incoming rocket or missile, or moving IR signature to detect targets or threats.

the system does not produce and image for the pilot, it collects data on threats and likely passes data to the self defence suite which will then automatically act to defend the aircraft.

How is this different from DAS ?

Does DAS produce 360 * image for the pilot ?

RTN wrote: Ok , so you are saying that Su 35S & PAK-FA will be using a different data link and not Lazur ?

Lazur is generall used by Mig 29 .

Sukhoi uses the POLYOT-built K-DlAE and K-DlUE communications/data-link suite . This data link system is at par with Link 16 .

How is this different from DAS ?

Does DAS produce 360 * image for the pilot ?

It is not different from DAS. Both scan the skies looking for threats or targets and feed the data they collect into the ESM/ECM suite.

Neither produce visuals for the pilot.

On the MiG-35 there will be an upper IRST and lower IRST optical system that will provide optical imagery for the pilot for engaging both ground and air targets.

A targeting pod like Damocles can offer the same, though the IRST system of the MiG-35 is full 360 degree.

Ok , so you are saying that Su 35S & PAK-FA will be using a different data link and not Lazur ?

Pretty much all new Russian gear will have datalink equipment... from MBTs and IFVs through to helos and air defence systems... even ships will use the Sigma-S system of data sharing that can be used for targeting and guidance.

Network in A-100 AWACS and even satellites and ground radar and datalinks will be every where.

GarryB wrote:On the MiG-35 there will be an upper IRST and lower IRST optical system that will provide optical imagery for the pilot for engaging both ground and air targets.

A targeting pod like Damocles can offer the same, though the IRST system of the MiG-35 is full 360 degree.

Currently the IRST on any aircraft does not offer any significant benefit in the visual bubble other than in the F-35 (probably) where the coverage is 360 degrees.

Essentially, coverage of IRST is similar to radar albeit in azimuth only. While the IRST has the inherent advantage of a passive sensor, an alternate source is required for ranging (essential for enabling missile launch solutions).

The advantage that it mainly offers is of a silent launch of a passive guided missile once the target ac is within the IRST envelope.

I think from what I read its both an IR and Optical System combined.

It mentions spherical Video environment i.e EO and IR based 3-5 microns

Austin wrote:I think from what I read its both an IR and Optical System combined.

It mentions spherical Video environment i.e EO and IR based 3-5 microns

You have your answer in the link you posted...

- Automatic detection of aerial targets and missiles in both video (optical) and IR
- Detection and guidance of aerial targets and missiles
- Threats presentation on MFD (also aerial targets) and via audio warning
- Field of view: Sphere via 6 sensors

Thanks , With Translator on technical issue its always doubtful.

With IR Channel and Optical/Video channel it should be able to image the target day and night

The added advantage of using both visual and IR means it will be useful even during the day when looking through clouds or smoke.

Currently the IRST on any aircraft does not offer any significant benefit in the visual bubble other than in the F-35 (probably) where the coverage is 360 degrees.

MiG-29M, MiG-29M2, and MiG-35 will use a total of 10 optical sensors including two IRST sensors that will enable 360 degree coverage in optical sensors, and 6 individual sensors and two twin sensors on the wing tips as shown in this image.

GarryB wrote:MiG-29M, MiG-29M2, and MiG-35 will use a total of 10 optical sensors including two IRST sensors that will enable 360 degree coverage in optical sensors, and 6 individual sensors and two twin sensors on the wing tips as shown in this image.

Do you have an English version of this image ? As you would imagine in it's absence I cannot comment on what you have posted .

Perhaps if you spent as much time reading about MiG-29K/KUB/M/M2 and Mig-35 as you clearly do F-35 propaganda you might realise the F-35 isn't the only new generation aircraft with new stuff...

The makers of the R-37M said in the 1990s that the new missile was intended not just for the MiG-31M, but also for the new generation of fighters like the MiG-29M, Su-27M and PAKFA.

Austin wrote:I was expecting Verba would intercept a Mach 2-2.5 speed target.

The Verba's maximum ceiling is somewhere around 4000m.

I doubt there are targets (jets and cruise missiles) that can fly at Mach 2 below 4000m. These twice the speed of sound velocities that modern fighter jets can achieve are done at high altitude where the air is thinner.

FARNBOROUGH : First Day Show News

http://in.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416309663&e=true

Has updates with interview with Pogosyan and Superjet Program

Nice article:

- about 100 combat planes for Russian Air Force in 2014 + dozen for export
- 6th gen fighter in about 12 years (second half of 2020)
- FGFA according to schedule

Russian Defense Ministry in 2014 will receive about 100 new combat aircraft

During the first half of 2014, Russian AF received 70 helicopters and planes   

Russian Air Force received this year more than 70 aircraft and helicopters

Guys do we have pictures of Ukraine Su-25 carrying Air to Air Missiles ? 

I couldnt find any on www . Any pictures will be great ... Thanks

Errrm all Su-25s have an outer weapon pylon designed only to use R-60MK or R-3S or in the later upgraded models R-73 AAMs.

AFAIK the only model variant of the Su-25 that can't carry AAMs is the Su-28 trainer used exclusively on the Kuznetsov as a carrier based trainer.

GarryB wrote:Errrm all Su-25s have an outer weapon pylon designed only to use R-60MK or R-3S or in the later upgraded models R-73 AAMs.

AFAIK the only model variant of the Su-25 that can't carry AAMs is the Su-28 trainer used exclusively on the Kuznetsov as a carrier based trainer.

Thanks but pictures would be good.

On outer pylons

Judging by the colours I suppose thats the Russian Su-25 and not the Ukranian one

communication complex C-108 for fighters of 4 + + generation

  Latest Communication Systems to Improve Efficiency of Aviation

I think it's Russian

Below is a presentation of Ukroboronservis (Ukr. company) on the Su-25. Right at the bottom it lists the armament. The last line is for the R-60 AAM

Austin wrote:

GarryB wrote:Errrm all Su-25s have an outer weapon pylon designed only to use R-60MK or R-3S or in the later upgraded models R-73 AAMs.

AFAIK the only model variant of the Su-25 that can't carry AAMs is the Su-28 trainer used exclusively on the Kuznetsov as a carrier based trainer.

Thanks but pictures would be good.

SU-25 with wide mock-up selection of weapon's option ,among which R-77 and R-73, (from 49:18)





At 50:53 you can easily see how it is even totally unnecessary to employ a specialized AAM to down a slow ,cumbersome aircraft ; in this instance a Tu-16 is engaged and destroyed at short range in tail-on aspect with a beam riding missile (ostensibly a 9М220О "Атака" or a 9К121 " Вихрь").

The main purpose for the search of this secondary anti-air capability implemented in this class of beam-riding missiles is to assure the capability to cheaply engage targets of opportunity such as enemy CAS elements and ,even more, surveaillance and attack UAVs.

I have seen downgraded models with R-3S missiles instead of R-60MK.

(R-3S is a sidewinder look alike, R-60 is codenamed Aphid and is called AA-8 in the west.)

in this instance a Tu-16 is engaged and destroyed at short range in tail-on aspect with a beam riding missile (ostensibly a 9М220О "Атака" or a 9К121 " Вихрь").

That was a test of Vikhr and Shkval-M on the Su-25TM AFAIK.