Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Share
    avatar
    JohninMK

    Posts : 5979
    Points : 6044
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sat May 26, 2018 12:11 am

    The flow of urgent or critical 'stuff' continues.

    Wael
    ????????
    ‏ @WaelAlRussi
    5m5 minutes ago

    Today 4 #Russia/n il-76s and 3 An-124s landed on #Khmemeim AB
    Making it one of the busiest days for the cargo flights to #Syria

    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 11567
    Points : 12038
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  George1 on Sat May 26, 2018 1:24 am

    Khemeymim airfield on May 10, 2018

    38 aircraft on the last satellite image of the Russian air base Khemeymim (May 10, 2018): 4 Su-34, 8 Su-24M, 2 Su-25, 12 Su-30SM, 3 Su-35, An-26, A-50U, Il -20 and 6 MiG-29 of Syria Air Force.







    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3213468.html

    avatar
    JohninMK

    Posts : 5979
    Points : 6044
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sat May 26, 2018 12:22 pm

    Note the 'whited out' area (ringed in pink before whiting?) on the left side of the middle photo. Wonder why.

    Also the QRA Su-35 seem to have been moved from the end of the main runway. Wonder if the other runway under repair is now OK for take-offs.

    Vann7

    Posts : 3781
    Points : 3885
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Sun May 27, 2018 1:26 pm



    2 Russians serviceman killed... in Syria , 4 other injured..

    https://www.rt.com/news/427948-russian-military-advisers-syria/

    Hopefully Russia will retaliate killing 500 terrorist at least in retaliation..

    Is unlikely this attack was terrorist alone.. with artillery.. without external help
    providing GPS and intelligence support..of Russian positions , from the usual people..

    Karl Haushofer

    Posts : 707
    Points : 702
    Join date : 2015-05-03

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun May 27, 2018 1:58 pm

    Americans are not dying in Syria, only Russians.

    Russia needs to start inflicting losses on US military personnel in Syria.

    Vann7

    Posts : 3781
    Points : 3885
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Sun May 27, 2018 4:17 pm



    Is a major wake up call for Russia.. this is the same zone Russia lost a Ka-52 hellicopter flying alone and for
    mysterious reasons the pilots did not ejected. The entire zone have to be a trap setup by Americans against
    Russia. Will not be surprising if Russians were hit by American military with long range GPS artillery. Whatever
    is the case , they will know in little time ,where the authors of this attack hide.. What Russia can't do is leave this
    attack without a response.. 32 terrorist is too low number .. they need to target at least 500 terrorist and several dozens of cars. and their bases. to teach them a lesson. As always Russia did not had air support.. if they had
    they will have bombed the positions of the terrorist artillery or any front line of them..
    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5942
    Points : 5977
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Militarov on Sun May 27, 2018 7:35 pm

    4 died. 2 more died due to wounds.

    Vann7

    Posts : 3781
    Points : 3885
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Mon May 28, 2018 1:54 am

    Regardless of what you see in News Media with
    Netanyahu visiting Russia shaking hands with Putin..
    In the battlefield of Syria tensions between Russia and Israel are real , and the probability
    of a conflict in the air between Russia and Israel airforce is very high. specially when Israel airforce
    is provoking Russia ,playing Psycological warfare games, by sending combat armed planes very close to Russia military base in tartus and latakkia..




    WaelAlRussi
    6h6 hours ago
    More
    #Russia/n Air Force #RuAF intercepted two #Israel/i F-16s over north #Lebanon
    The two jets were flying over the sea 6 km away from the Lebanese coast line.



    There are many indications that Israel is preparing a major war with Lebanon..or at least seeking a way how
    to do it.. but if Israel do that ,it will end in a major trap .and Contrary to 2006 , now it will have the support
    of Russia weapons.. that Russia will pass to Syrian army and will give green light to pass to hezbolah..
    Russia can do this and claim it was not them ,who did it...but Syrian army or IRAN or that they simply
    took the weapons from fallen Syrian army soldiers fighting ISIS...  Cool

    This means that any ground invasion of Israel in Lebanon or Syria will face Kornet EM missiles..that can defeat their tanks fired on pairs and thousands of artillery strikes in their positions . So any ground invasion of Israel will have to fight without air close support. means lots of casualties.. If they really desperate ,they can use a dozen of Thousands of recruited ISIS and saudi arabia soldiers to lead the charge..  i see such operation a whole disaster , specially with Russia airforce providing
    targeting data of ISrael positions and using electronic warfare to block communications between Israel army and
    its airforce. they still can try it , in hopes Russia will chicken out of Syria.  But i do see Israel getting wiped out
    of Syria.. Because Syria Government knows ,it can't allow not even 1 inch of territory to Israel inside Syria main territory ,since we know what happens to any country when Israel military is allowed to deploy , they continue expanding and annexing territory. The only way Israel could create what it wants.. a buffer zone ,is with Russia
    leaving Syria . But still i don't see it happening if Israel goes alone.. It will be a vietnam war of israel.. with thousands of missiles of hezbolah and iRAN hitting Israel.. i don't think Israel will go that far ,for a piece of land
    in Syria risking their cities to be destroyed.. it will be very expensive.

    The Turkey scenario and its operation in north of Syria is different thing.. There Russia could not afford a war
    with Turkey ,when Syria Government lost 70% of its own territory..and ISIS in palmyra withing 20 minutes of damascus. but now Israel is doomed in any ground operation. Because will have a far more strengtened Syrian army and far more supplied by Russia ,and for sure Russia have been preparing Siria for the case that Israel try do the same that Turkey did..  Turkey now its economy is near collapse.. So i will not be surprised if Americans
    pay Turkey army to stay in Syria as it is doing with Ukraine.. Americans solve everything with difficult negotiations with suitcases full of money...But Erdogan is likely will play both sides.. keep relations with Russia and keep relations with Americans and get benefits from both.


    in more related news..something that have remained quiet in American media..
    Pakistan is saying can destroy israel in 12 minutes..


    Pakistan Can Destroy Israel In 12 Minutes: General Zubair Mahmood Hayat  


    Pakistan Can destroy Israel in 12 minutes: General Zubair Mahmood Hayat - Republic World
    A senior army commander claimed that Pakistan is capable of destroying Israel in 12 minutes.

    General Zubair Mahmood Hayat, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee said, "If Israel tries to invade our land, we will raze the Zionist regime in less than 12 minutes."

    "Israel would have you believe that Palestinians are all terrorists and it's only defending its citizens from suicide bombers and Islamic extremists. The reality however is very different," he added.

    "We cannot let our names represent an apartheid regime and ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people. We should push for peace in one of the most complex conflicts of our time, and simultaneously hold Israel accountable for its actions - something which the UN repeatedly fails to do," he said


    https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/pakistan-news/pakistan-can-destroy-israel-in-12-minutes-general-zubair-mahmood-hayat

    Israel is more vulnerable nation that people think.. it have a modern army with strong airforce , it can do
    a lot of damage to any nation but.. Israel don't have the geography to fight with another nuclear power.
    As much propaganda IRAN says ,as weak as Iran military is versus Israel , there is something that is true..
    Iran can truly destroy the Israel state ,(that is the government and the nation) if get nukes.. and the other way is not true.. If both nations fight with nukes IRAN will always win.. Because IRAN have a large land and Israel not.
    This means that IRAN needs far far less nukes ,(just one) to do more damage to israel .no matter how many nukes Israel have... they could have 100 ,500 or even 1million of nukes. it will be MEANINGLESS if they attacked just 1 time on Telaviv... the radiation will spread in all other cities and so nobody will like to live withing 100km of the nuclear attack.. and this means a major exodus of Israelis will happen ,of scientific talent and of business and eventually collapsing the nation.. So this is why Israel is really nervous about the idea of IRAN getting nukes..

    Israel knows is game over ,if IRAN gets nukes.. they IRAN will be in a MUCH MUCH Stronger position
    to Impose its will versus Israel . they can't handle a single nuclear strike on their nation. and continue the nation to exist normally . And if i was IRAN , i will be seeking to get Nukes.. because Israel goals are not secret , they openly say want to destroy IRAN..but also IRAQ ,also Syria ,and Lebanon.. You only need to look at what the Zionism
    ideology states.. the redrawing of all middle east borders ,and extending Israel all the way to Turkey border.

    and their lobbies works full time in US for that.. but is very doubtful Israel will have success. IRAN is too big for Israel alone to handle . they will have to use all their nukes on IRAN and without any provocation , just preventively and that will totally isolate Israel from the world and only US will continue their support. but that neither will end the Iranian state.. since muslim are used to live in bad conditions
    but not Israelis.. as soon they have no electricity or internet they will move to another country. So this is why
    Israel is very vulnerable.. The Government will be unable to continue the Israeli Project , if Israel is nuked just 1 time.. by IRAN or Pakistan... they will not stay there waiting for a second round.

    US government also is aware that Israel also pose a threat to US authority too ,if Israel becomes too big ,
    and takes control of IRAQ oil fields.. and this is very likely the reason why US have been for many years refusing
    to recognize Jerusalem as Israel territory and demanding Israel to retreat from Lebanon when invaded it..
    US elites for sure are concerned that giving too much power to Israel ,will end the need of Israel to have lobbies
    paying money to them.. and taking control of middle east oil fields ,will allow israel to even black mail and counter US petro dollar system.. So Israel also pose a danger for US Global plans too.. US gov will prefer to keep moderate support to Israel while contained at the same time.. to a small territory.. This should be the reason why democrats
    under Obama signed the deal with IRAN , regardless of how much netanyahu yelled Obama to not do it..

    Israel don't have absolute control over US , it have big influence but not absolute control... not even close..
    specially with the democrats.
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 11567
    Points : 12038
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  George1 on Mon May 28, 2018 3:10 am

    Russian Su-34 Fighter Bomber Spotted Over Northern Lebanon (Video)

    On May 27, a Su-34 warplane of the Russian Aerospace Force Intercepted an F-16 warplane of the Israel Air Force over the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli, according to several Lebanese sources. Reportedly, the Su-34 took off from Hmeimim airbase in the Syria coast.

    Lebanese sources released a video showing the Russian Su-34 flying over Tripoli. However, no Israeli F-16 was spotted. This led many observers into doubting that the Su-34 was intercepting an Israeli warplane.

    https://southfront.org/russian-su-34-fighter-bomber-spotted-over-northern-lebanon-video/
    avatar
    Isos

    Posts : 1837
    Points : 1833
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Mon May 28, 2018 8:47 am

    George1 wrote:Russian Su-34 Fighter Bomber Spotted Over Northern Lebanon (Video)

    On May 27, a Su-34 warplane of the Russian Aerospace Force Intercepted an F-16 warplane of the Israel Air Force over the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli, according to several Lebanese sources. Reportedly, the Su-34 took off from Hmeimim airbase in the Syria coast.

    Lebanese sources released a video showing the Russian Su-34 flying over Tripoli. However, no Israeli F-16 was spotted. This led many observers into doubting that the Su-34 was intercepting an Israeli warplane.

    https://southfront.org/russian-su-34-fighter-bomber-spotted-over-northern-lebanon-video/

    Interception without weapons ?

    Vann7

    Posts : 3781
    Points : 3885
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Mon May 28, 2018 12:15 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russian Su-34 Fighter Bomber Spotted Over Northern Lebanon (Video)

    On May 27, a Su-34 warplane of the Russian Aerospace Force Intercepted an F-16 warplane of the Israel Air Force over the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli, according to several Lebanese sources. Reportedly, the Su-34 took off from Hmeimim airbase in the Syria coast.

    Lebanese sources released a video showing the Russian Su-34 flying over Tripoli. However, no Israeli F-16 was spotted. This led many observers into doubting that the Su-34 was intercepting an Israeli warplane.

    https://southfront.org/russian-su-34-fighter-bomber-spotted-over-northern-lebanon-video/

    Interception without weapons ?


    interception could be done without weapons..just a radar painting , Russia intercept American spy
    planes all the time near Russia ,and vice versa , Russian planes near Alaska.. and the interceptions can be done
    without guns.. Interception = Interruption and Escorting a plane away from your positions .. Whenever israel planes fly too close to Russia military base ,  The Russian airforce goes and intercept their planes..
    never seen the word interception being used to say a plane was shutdown.. but pressure to leave the area instead ,thats what interception usually means when it comes to combat planes vs Combat planes.
    missiles interception is another story..
    avatar
    Isos

    Posts : 1837
    Points : 1833
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Mon May 28, 2018 12:25 pm

    Spy planes are not armed too. Israeli f-16 are and there is a war in Syria. If they want to intercept them they need to be armed. They probably likee said in the article made naval patrol. Su-35 are there to intercept other fighters.
    avatar
    eehnie

    Posts : 2121
    Points : 2144
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  eehnie on Mon May 28, 2018 10:31 pm

    Isos wrote:Spy planes are not armed too. Israeli f-16 are and there is a war in Syria. If they want to intercept them they need to be armed. They probably likee said in the article made naval patrol. Su-35 are there to intercept other fighters.

    The most likely way a Su-34 would afford maritime work would be likely under a model of interception. Not random loitering.

    For a more traditional work of maritime patrol, the mechanical reserve remaining in the last units of the Be-6/12 would be useful.
    avatar
    PapaDragon

    Posts : 6842
    Points : 6942
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 28, 2018 11:17 pm

    eehnie wrote:..........
    The most likely way a Su-34 would afford maritime work would be likely under a model of interception. Not random loitering.

    For a more traditional work of maritime patrol, the mechanical reserve remaining in the last units of the Be-6/12 would be useful.

    That's just Su-34 with external fuel tank.

    As always you got excited and dropped your load too soon. lol1






    avatar
    JohninMK

    Posts : 5979
    Points : 6044
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Mon May 28, 2018 11:35 pm

    Bit more on this sad incident


    Neil Hauer
    ‏Verified account @NeilPHauer
    6h6 hours ago

    Neil Hauer Retweeted CIT

    .@CITeam_ru establishes the names of three more Russian fighters killed in Deir Ezzor on May 23, bringing current total to six. Currently appears as though poor communication b/w Russian and regime units allowed ISIS to slip through and attack.
    avatar
    PapaDragon

    Posts : 6842
    Points : 6942
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 28, 2018 11:55 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Bit more on this sad incident
    .............
    .@CITeam_ru establishes the names of three more Russian fighters killed in Deir Ezzor on May 23, bringing current total to six. Currently appears as though poor communication b/w Russian and regime units allowed ISIS to slip through and attack.

    SAA seems to be the main cause of Russian military losses in Syria...
    avatar
    eehnie

    Posts : 2121
    Points : 2144
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  eehnie on Tue May 29, 2018 12:24 am

    JohninMK wrote:Can't remember another member of the Syrian Express having to be towed home. Think this was one of the merchant ships that Russia bought cheap at the start of the operation.

    Yörük Işık
    ‏Verified account @YorukIsik

    Back from Tartus Syria but Broken Down⚠️: #ВМФ Project 733S, Okhtenskiy class rescue tug BSF #ЧФ SB-5 towed
    #ВМФ #ВФ Auxiliary Fleet cargo vessel Kyzyl-60 through BlackSea-bound Bosphorus. #ВФ Kyzyl-60 is not under its own power.



    A good and effective management of the transport operation to Syria will surely lead to the total exhaustion and decommission of the following ships:

    Amphibious Combat ships:

    04650 tons Project 1171 Saratov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/790/
    04650 tons Project 1171 Orsk http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17150/
    04650 tons Project 1171 Nikolay Vilkov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17166/
    04650 tons Project 1171 Nikolay Filchenkov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/791/

    Logistic Auxiliary ships:

    01915 tons Project 572 Yrghiz http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42760/
    01915 tons Project 572 Bira http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/716/
    07230 tons Project 596P Yamal http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17555/
    01192 tons Project 773 VTR-140 modified to dry-cargo ship http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/26719/
    14165 tons Project 550 Yauza http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/20520/
    03947 tons Project 740 Pechora http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/14386/
    01243 tons Project 1807 VTR-139 modified to armament transport ship http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/35262/
    04473 tons Project 1791 Daugaba http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/33930/

    07250 tons Vologda-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54485/
    09132 tons Dvinitsa-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54458/
    02099 tons Kazan-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/16128/
    04509 tons Kyzyl-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/55363/

    I tend to think that the Russian Navy Combat and Auxiliary fleets had enough capability to afford completely the transport operation to Syria and the purchase of these last four ships was avoidable. But being purchased, also these four ships must be used until total exhaustion and decommission.


    Last edited by eehnie on Tue May 29, 2018 11:05 am; edited 1 time in total

    Vann7

    Posts : 3781
    Points : 3885
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Tue May 29, 2018 7:35 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Bit more on this sad incident
    .............
    .@CITeam_ru establishes the names of three more Russian fighters killed in Deir Ezzor on May 23, bringing current total to six. Currently appears as though poor communication b/w Russian and regime units allowed ISIS to slip through and attack.

    SAA seems to be the main cause of Russian military losses in Syria...

    So the Ka-52 "Accident" is to blame to Syria ? the Su-30 crash too ? the planes full of soldiers crash too ?
    Birds accidents?

    Thats a lame excuse to justify Russian army casualties.. reality is actually the opposite..
    Whenever Russia lose a combat plane or hellicopter ,you can't blame the Syrian army for it.
    I blame it all on Russia Government /Russia military incompetence... when soldiers lose their lives
    in things could have been avoided..  Whenever Russia underestimate its enemies it put the live
    of its soldiers at risk.. You don't send Attack Hellicopters alone to a very hot zone in Syria ,you neither
    send your ground support planes to the battlefield without electronic warfare.. as Russia did..  In wars
    casualties do happen ,but when the casualties could have been avoided ,with more air support ,ground intelligence
    then is incompetence.. How is possible for ISIS to do 1 hour artillery strikes on Russian army positions without
    Russian airforce bombing them ? Neutral   The Russian military whenever they go fight with artillery , they should be supplied with air cover... this is common sense and not allow the terrorist to use their artillery for 1 hour on Syrian positions. Poor planning is the reason Russia lose so many soldiers... they waited a SU-25 to be shotdown and its pilot chased in the ground and killed to take the decision to arm those planes with Electronic warfare.. No
    This is not strategy . Russia military is not taking all security measures they can ,to minimize
    their casualties..  Remember how they lost 2 Planes taking off/trying to land in  the aircraft carrier in 2 consecutive days over the same issue? when they had their aircraft carrier in Syria coast .  Clear indication they did not tested
    the aircraft carrier well ,if it was ready for combat. and Russia military poor planning is also costing the lives
    of syrian army soldiers... They had a Pantsir without electronic warfare support..that could have blocked the TV camera signals.. and make the drone to fail. but as always Russia while have done major advances in Syria ,is not always doing all the things they could do to reduce the casualties numbers.  And in Ukraine is no different ,civilians ,women and children killed ,10,000 of them,why Russia don't evacuate civilians from warzones in Ukraine and give them refugee support in Russia ,until the war ends?No

    Putin should cancel all celebrations of soviet victories in the past and live in the present that is already at war.. with the money Russia could save in celebrations of past victories almost every week or more ,it will be enough to cover the expense of evacuating civilians in hot zones in Donetsk and Lugansk. But What Putin do.. he just sign a condolence paper for the victims and keep moving.. Women and children should not be allowed to be in a war zone , period.. this is common sense.. but Putin have anything but common sense.. Only military should be in Donetsk and Lugansk.. or at lest the zones withing range of Ukraine artillery.

    in short in wars Casualties will always happen , no doubt.. but Russia needs to make sure , is REALLY doing
    everything they can do... to protect their soldiers as much security as possible ,by combining all its forces. Not sending aircraft or advisors alone to a dangerous place. and evacuate civilians from warzones.. is shocking that Putin allows Civilians women and children to be at risk..in donetsk and lugansk in Ukraine with Ukro shelling every day on cities ,falling in their homes and no one cares . unbelievable. Neutral



    avatar
    JohninMK

    Posts : 5979
    Points : 6044
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 29, 2018 5:23 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    A good and effective management of the transport operation to Syria will surely lead to the total exhaustion and decommission of the following ships:

    Amphibious Combat ships:

    04650 tons Project 1171 Saratov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/790/
    04650 tons Project 1171 Orsk http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17150/
    04650 tons Project 1171 Nikolay Vilkov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17166/
    04650 tons Project 1171 Nikolay Filchenkov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/791/

    Logistic Auxiliary ships:

    01915 tons Project 572 Yrghiz http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42760/
    01915 tons Project 572 Bira http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/716/
    07230 tons Project 596P Yamal http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17555/
    01192 tons Project 773 VTR-140 modified to dry-cargo ship http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/26719/
    14165 tons Project 550 Yauza http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/20520/
    03947 tons Project 740 Pechora http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/14386/
    01243 tons Project 1807 VTR-139 modified to armament transport ship http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/35262/
    04473 tons Project 1791 Daugaba http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/33930/

    07250 tons Vologda-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54485/
    09132 tons Dvinitsa-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54458/
    02099 tons Kazan-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/16128/
    04509 tons Kyzyl-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/55363/

    I tend to think that the Russian Navy Combat and Auxiliary fleets had enough capability to afford completely the transport operation to Syria and the purchase of these last four ships was avoidable. But being purchased, also these four ships must be used until total exhaustion and decommission.

    I apologise in advance to those who have this poster on ignore.

    Apart from the last 4, which were bought in specifically for the task, very few if any of those ships have been in continuous operation. In the main they have come in from their native Fleet, done a period of work and then gone home. At least a couple of the Black Sea fleet ships, which are already at home, have had major overhauls. THey even took part in a major operation near home last year.

    You just have to look at the huge capacity of the RO-RO and the container ships to see that the RuN definitely didn't have the capacity to do this themselves over this period or the desire to run their ships completely into the ground (or sea actually). Instead they did the right thing and bought some cheap end of life ships and are using them till they are effectively scrap. They are also merchant ships not warships legally.
    avatar
    eehnie

    Posts : 2121
    Points : 2144
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  eehnie on Wed May 30, 2018 4:13 am

    JohninMK wrote:I apologise in advance to those who have this poster on ignore.

    Apart from the last 4, which were bought in specifically for the task, very few if any of those ships have been in continuous operation. In the main they have come in from their native Fleet, done a period of work and then gone home. At least a couple of the Black Sea fleet ships, which are already at home, have had major overhauls. THey even took part in a major operation near home last year.

    You just have to look at the huge capacity of the RO-RO and the container ships to see that the RuN definitely didn't have the capacity to do this themselves over this period or the desire to run their ships completely into the ground (or sea actually). Instead they did the right thing and bought some cheap end of life ships and are using them till they are effectively scrap. They are also merchant ships not warships legally.

    I apologise in advance to those who have staunch zionists on ignore.

    Your conclusion is not justified, which are the data to assure it? Or directly you love the style of Pope Dragon, always wrong, Pontifex Maximus.

    If we compare the capacity (full load) of the four purchased ships for this operation, to the overall capcity (full load) of the Russian available fleet for the purpose of transport of armament, ammunition and auxiliary equipment, we can see how the 24445 tons that the four ships sum are only a 15.67% of the 156030 tons that the overall combat+auxiliary fleet sum in 2018.

    To assure as happily as you did that Russia was not capable of avoiding this purchased capability of a 15.67%, increasing the optimization (that includes overhauls) in the use of the 84.33% of the fleet is very audacious. Very likely is not right, when at this point we have news only of the exhaustion and decommission of few ships (red), with low total tonnage, between the oldest available ships at the begin of the operation, and taking into account that the available fleet increased its capacity since 2011. The lack of decommissions sugests a conservative use by the Russian Navy of the oldest ships despite new commissions, captures and purchases.


    Amphibious Combat ships:

    04650 tons Project 1171 Saratov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/790/
    04650 tons Project 1171 Orsk http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17150/
    04650 tons Project 1171 Nikolay Vilkov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17166/
    04650 tons Project 1171 Nikolay Filchenkov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/791/


    04012 tons Project 775 Olenegorskiy gornyak http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17109/
    04012 tons Project 775 Kondopoga http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17115/
    04012 tons Project 775 Alexandr Otrakovskiy http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/6292/
    04012 tons Project 775 Oslyabya http://fleetphoto.ru/projects/2079/
    04012 tons Project 775 Admiral Nevelskoy http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17127/
    04012 tons Project 775 Minsk http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10035/
    04012 tons Project 775 Kaliningrad http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/7630/
    04012 tons Project 775 Georgiy Pobedonosets http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10965/
    04012 tons Project 775 Alexandr Shabalin http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17132/
    04012 tons Project 775 Tsezar Kunikov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/449/
    04012 tons Project 775 Novocherkassk http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/839/
    04012 tons Project 775 Yamal http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/840/
    04012 tons Project 775 Azov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/996/
    04012 tons Project 775 Peresvet http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17133/
    04012 tons Project 775 Korolev http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17134/
    00550 tons Project 12550 Evgeniy Kocheshkov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/19157/
    00550 tons Project 12550 Mordoviya http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/19158/

    04012 tons Project 775 Konstantin Olshanskiy http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/4752/ (Captured to Ukraine 2014)

    18600 tons Total fuchsia (present since the begin and likely exhaustion before the end)
    61280 tons Total black (present since the begin and after the end)
    04012 tons Total green (incorporated after the begin and present after the end)

    79880 tons Total 2011
    83892 tons Total 2018
    04012 tons Increment of the fleet


    Logistic Auxiliary ships:

    00686 tons Project 1823 VTR-6 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/55823/ (decommissioned 2011)
    00686 tons Project 1823 VTR-82 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/55580/ (decommissioned 2012)
    00714 tons Project 1823 MTR-148 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/55644/ (decommissioned 2014)
    03947 tons Project 740 Ufa http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/44706/ (decommissioned 2011)


    01915 tons Project 572 Yrghiz http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42760/
    01915 tons Project 572 Bira http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/716/
    00686 tons Project 1823 VTR-85 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/41400/
    00686 tons Project 1823 VTR-86 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/41393/
    07230 tons Project 596P Yamal modified to dry-cargo ship http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/17555/
    00686 tons Project 1823 VTR-94 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/28800/
    01192 tons Project 773 VTR-140 modified to dry-cargo ship http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/26719/
    14165 tons Project 550 Yauza http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/20520/
    03947 tons Project 740 Pechora http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/14386/
    01243 tons Project 1807 VTR-139 modified to armament transport ship http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/35262/
    05057 tons Project 1791 Daugaba http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/33930/
    00686 tons Project 1823 VTR-76 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/34801/


    07250 tons Vologda-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54485/ (purchased 2015)
    09132 tons Dvinitsa-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54458/ (purchased 2015)
    03554 tons Kazan-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/16128/ (purchased 2015)
    04509 tons Kyzyl-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/55363/ (purchased 2015)

    1985 tons Project 20360 VTR-79 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/3205/

    6300 tons Project 20180/20181 Akademik Kovalev http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42639/ (commissioned 2015)

    06033 tons Total red (present since the begin and decommissioned before the end)
    39408 tons Total fuchsia (present since the begin and likely exhaustion before the end)
    24445 tons Total greenfuchsia (incorporated after the begin and likely exhaustion before the end)
    01985 tons Total black (present since the begin and after the end)
    06300 tons Total green (incorporated after the begin and present after the end)

    47426 tons Total 2011
    72138 tons Total 2018
    24712 tons Increment of the fleet


    Total available ships for the operation:

    06033 tons Total red (present since the begin and decommissioned before the end)
    58008 tons Total fuchsia (present since the begin and likely exhaustion before the end)
    24445 tons Total greenfuchsia (incorporated after the begin and likely exhaustion before the end)
    63265 tons Total black (present since the begin and after the end)
    10312 tons Total green (incorporated after the begin and present after the end)

    127306 tons Total 2011
    156030 tons Total 2018
    028724 tons Increment of the fleet


    Future ships under construction:

    Amphibious Combat ships
    6000 tons Project 11711 Ivan Gren http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/25277/
    6000 tons Project 11711 Pyotr Morgunov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/59957/


    Logistic Auxiliary ships
    6300 tons Project 20180/20181 Akademik Makeev http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/59962/
    2500 tons Project 20360 ?????? http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_20360m.htm
    2500 tons Project 20360 ?????? http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_20360m.htm


    12000 tons Total light green Amphibious (under construction)
    11300 tons Total light green Logistic (under construction)
    23300 tons Total light green (under construction)


    Russia likely has been following a conservative strategy with its sea cargo transport fleet. It is understandable and more with the Mistral factor also in the mix, but it means not lack of overall capacity to afford the operation with the own capacity. Also, there is a point where a conservative use of the oldest ships stops making sense, because it is also necessary to optimize the remaining fleet after the operation. It means to apply a more conservative standard still to the ships to remain, while to apply a standard of exhaustion to the old ships to decommission.
    avatar
    nomadski

    Posts : 244
    Points : 246
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  nomadski on Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:41 pm


    I think that Russia can load supplies to small boat at sea . And not bring in big boat into port in Syria . So if the big boat is hit in port and sunk . Then port is not blocked . Small boat in port can be moved out .
    avatar
    JohninMK

    Posts : 5979
    Points : 6044
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:34 pm

    Anyone find anything more on this?


    Wael
    ????????
    ‏ @WaelAlRussi

    #Russia deployed several fighter jets in south #Syria
    To participate in #OpBasalt
    The deployed jets are protected by a newly deployed Russian-operated AD systems in the south.

    avatar
    nomadski

    Posts : 244
    Points : 246
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  nomadski on Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:01 pm


    I think if Usraeli or yank launch air attack on advancing SAA armour in South . Then this may not be big operation . Like before . Sneak attack by a few planes . For this reason the SAA might as well retaliate by SSBM against usraeli targets in Golan . Instead of Russia exposing it's super modern AD . For sake of few planes . If attack was huge . And significant . Ie ; it could stop offensive . Then it is best to use it . Altogether it is better to have S300 and s300 in Syria , and not need it . Than need it and not have it .
    avatar
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2460
    Points : 2470
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:25 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    I think if Usraeli or yank launch air attack on advancing SAA armour in South . Then this may not be big operation . Like before . Sneak attack by a few planes . For this reason the SAA might as well retaliate by SSBM  against usraeli targets in Golan . Instead of Russia exposing it's super modern AD .  For sake of few planes . If attack was huge . And significant . Ie ; it could stop offensive . Then it is best to use it . Altogether it is better to have S300 and s300 in Syria , and not need it . Than need it and not have it .

    SAA cannot and will not start a war with Israel.
    avatar
    starman

    Posts : 205
    Points : 203
    Join date : 2016-08-10

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  starman on Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:29 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    SAA cannot and will not start a war with Israel.

    Of course not, it would be suicide. If the SAA crushes its last internal opponents and regains Syria's land this year, ending the civil war, it would still take Damascus years to get back on its feet economically and militarily. Even in a best case scenario, Syria won't be ready to contemplate war with Israel for 5 years or more likely ten.

    Sponsored content

    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:07 am