Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

PapaDragon wrote:
Some absolutely mind numbing stupidity and epic humor, this one is for the ages:



Land whale, retard and a commie all rolled into one fat package. Since when are commies so popular in Britain?

I'll leave comments to you guys, personally I am speechless...

Saw that live on stream and was like... what...da...hell....

A token attack is highly likely but No WWIII
according to Alexander Mercouris from 'the Duran'

...he's usually pretty good in his analysis

It has been an utterly fascinating day for followers of Donald Trump’s tweets.

The day began with Trump responding in his usual overblown way to a needlessly provocative comment from the Russian ambassador to Lebanon, who is reported to have said that the Russians would shoot down all and every missile the US launched against Syria.

This statement – by a relatively junior ambassador in Russia’s diplomatic hierarchy – goes far beyond what other far more senior Russian officials – notably Russia’s UN ambassador Vassily Nebenzia – have been saying, and is almost certainly untrue.

I have discussed how Russia would respond to a US strike on Syria on numerous occasions.

Briefly, so long as any US strike does not endanger Russian personnel in Syria, or threaten the existence of the Syrian government, or interfere in Syrian army operations against the major concentrations of Jihadi fighters, the Russians will not act to prevent it, though as they showed following the US strike on Syria’s Al-Shayrat air base last year, that does not mean that they will not respond to it at all.

Only if a US strike crosses these red lines have the Russians said that they will take counter-action.

http://theduran.com/trump-draws-back-on-criticism-of-russia/

Interesting report.. by Vesti news....
Probably the best program in Russia about international politics.
with an israeli former military chief as guest..

Only Ferocity NOW From Russian Side Will Stop US Aggression

The latest is that the US aircraft carrier won't arrive in the Mediterenean until early May...I was under the impression it was already there or at least close

Regular wrote:This french guy is truly delussional.

Pretty much sums up his state of mind....and that's being polite

They are talking now about other options than military. So it was only stupid Trump who wake up and tried to "work" on international topics. I pretty sure he doesn't even know where is Syria or even the middle east ...

nomadski wrote:
Iran can close the Persian Gulf and trap yank carrier there ! Maybe we can use it for our planes instead !

No carrier in the Gulf, the one there left a few weeks back and is somewhere east of Singapore.

Cyberspec wrote:The latest is that the US aircraft carrier won't arrive in the Mediterenean until early May...I was under the impression it was already there or at least close

It left its home base in the US yesterday. At 30 knots its about 10 days to the eastern Med so at a more economical speed, to ease logistics on its escorts, early May would be about right. The Pentagon has said that it will arrive at its destination in mid May, without saying where that is, it could be the Gulf.

Looks as if the Pentagon does not want war. They know what they are up against and don't want their men dead and injured.

The time for a soft policy towards Russia has passed, Pompeo said

https://ria.ru/world/20180412/1518441212.html?referrer_block=index_main_1

"Russia continues to act aggressively, for which many years of soft policy with regard to this aggression have contributed to it.This is now done away with.The list of our administration's actions aimed at raising the price for (Russian President) Vladimir Putin is long," it says. The written testimony of Pompeo Congress, which the White House distributed.

Among measures against Russia, Pompeo called sanctions, the expulsion of diplomats, the strengthening of the American army and the forces of nuclear deterrence, as well as the "arming of brave young people who resist Russian expansionism in Ukraine and Georgia."

"This list is much longer, and I'm sure that I will have the opportunity to make additions there," says Pompeo's testimony.



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Austin wrote:The time for a soft policy towards Russia has passed, Pompeo said

https://ria.ru/world/20180412/1518441212.html?referrer_block=index_main_1

"Russia continues to act aggressively, for which many years of soft policy with regard to this aggression have contributed to it.This is now done away with.The list of our administration's actions aimed at raising the price for (Russian President) Vladimir Putin is long," it says. The written testimony of Pompeo Congress, which the White House distributed.

Among measures against Russia, Pompeo called sanctions, the expulsion of diplomats, the strengthening of the American army and the forces of nuclear deterrence, as well as the "arming of brave young people who resist Russian expansionism in Ukraine and Georgia."

"This list is much longer, and I'm sure that I will have the opportunity to make additions there," says Pompeo's testimony.



РИА Новости https://ria.ru/world/20180412/1518441212.html

They been doing that already as is. Nothing's changed. It's just pompeo to talk as if they have different plans.

They got nothing.

Can anyone confirm this...?
If Truth it will be interesting developments..

CHINESE NAVY SHIPS ORDERED TO JOIN RUSSIAN TASK FORCE IN THE EVENT OF US STRIKE ON SYRIA



Date of publication: 11 04 2018, 19:24

Chinese military ships in the Mediterranean Sea are ordered to join the Russian Navy in the case of a massive attack on Syria, sources say.

Rseau International portal, citing French sources has said that Chinese warships in the Mediterranean have been ordered to join the Russian Navy in the case of “massive bombardment” of Syria.

All Chinese warships that are located in the Mediterranean sea at the moment would move towards Syrian Tartus port. Thus, China will take part in repelling the coalition’s aggression.

Experts also say that the allies of Syria took seriously the possible strike of the United States. Now all forces are mobilized. So, Iran brought its forces to full combat readiness. Earlier, Russia’s General Staff also said that the US strike would be repelled in the event of a threat.

Chairman of the CCRF Commission on Harmonization of Interethnic and Interreligious Relations Iosif Diskin has said that the fact that China decided to send it’s ships to Tartus shows the desire of the international community for guarantees of security, in the world where US behaves more unpredictable every day

https://en.news-front.info/2018/04/11/chinese-navy-ships-ordered-join-russian-task-force-event-us-strike-syria/

Indeed if this is true will be good news..
China by sending aircraft carriers to Syria with warships will be a major clear message to
Arrogant NATO powers.. that they no longer represent the world.. or the international community..
and so that any no longer US and Europe can dictate the world ,what is legal or not.. and that
that there is another part of the world ready to defend their interest.  If China and India ended
their differences and joined Russia.. they could form a fantastic force that will Rival NATO hands down..
and even out pace it.. even with navies size and technology. but not in experience.. but that could be gained with experience.. So BRICS.. now without the S..  could also form a military alliance to protect each other in case of NATO
interference. and collect son funding for collective excercises and Patrols.. Later other nations will join..

India for example have a very large airforce and the most varied of all ,from Russian to NATO planes..
and their pilots are very good too.. if this thing materialize... as the first time China send a large force
to Syria.. it will be game changing in terms of future international security in the world..

Also this should motivate ,inspire, Russia and China to build a permanent military base,naval port in Egypt..
to keep in check NATO bases in Italy.. this also will allow Russia to have a permanent base to help Serbia
in case war start there. To keep in Check Israel and NATO warships that travels to the zone.. and then later create another Naval port in Algeria and another in Eastern part of western Africa.. so to have routine patrols along the US eastern coast. Such alliance will truly compete with NATO and make them really become worried.

Vann7 wrote:Can anyone confirm this...?
If Truth it will be interesting developments..

CHINESE NAVY SHIPS ORDERED TO JOIN RUSSIAN TASK FORCE IN THE EVENT OF US STRIKE ON SYRIA



Date of publication: 11 04 2018, 19:24

Chinese military ships in the Mediterranean Sea are ordered to join the Russian Navy in the case of a massive attack on Syria, sources say.

Rseau International portal, citing French sources has said that Chinese warships in the Mediterranean have been ordered to join the Russian Navy in the case of “massive bombardment” of Syria.

All Chinese warships that are located in the Mediterranean sea at the moment would move towards Syrian Tartus port. Thus, China will take part in repelling the coalition’s aggression.

Experts also say that the allies of Syria took seriously the possible strike of the United States. Now all forces are mobilized. So, Iran brought its forces to full combat readiness. Earlier, Russia’s General Staff also said that the US strike would be repelled in the event of a threat.

Chairman of the CCRF Commission on Harmonization of Interethnic and Interreligious Relations Iosif Diskin has said that the fact that China decided to send it’s ships to Tartus shows the desire of the international community for guarantees of security, in the world where US behaves more unpredictable every day

https://en.news-front.info/2018/04/11/chinese-navy-ships-ordered-join-russian-task-force-event-us-strike-syria/

Indeed if this is true will be good news..
China by sending aircraft carriers to Syria with warships will be a major clear message to
Arrogant NATO powers.. that they no longer represent the world.. or the international community..
and so that any no longer US and Europe can dictate the world ,what is legal or not.. and that
that there is another part of the world ready to defend their interest.  If China and India ended
their differences and joined Russia.. they could form a fantastic force that will Rival NATO hands down..
and even out pace it.. even with navies size and technology. but not in experience.. but that could be gained with experience.. So BRICS.. now without the S..  could also form a military alliance to protect each other in case of NATO
interference. and collect son funding for collective excercises and Patrols.. Later other nations will join..

India for example have a very large airforce and the most varied of all ,from Russian to NATO planes..
and their pilots are very good too.. if this thing materialize... as the first time China send a large force
to Syria.. it will be game changing in terms of future international security in the world..

Also this should motivate ,inspire, Russia and China to build a permanent military base,naval port in Egypt..
to keep in check NATO bases in Italy.. this also will allow Russia to have a permanent base to help Serbia
in case war start there. To keep in Check Israel and NATO warships that travels to the zone.. and then later create another Naval port in Algeria and another in Eastern part of western Africa.. so to have routine patrols along the US eastern coast. Such alliance will truly compete with NATO and make them really become worried.

Must be fake news , china will not participate in any military action with RUssia against NATO

What russian assets are NOW in Syria? I hope they are well prepared!

Best would be a lot of AD Systems to intercept enemy cruise missile. The western coalition would look stupid and like loosers if only 20 -30 % of their mssiles will hit and there is no risk of further escalation (Their propaganda will say 99 %).

I hope they move modern Buk Systems and more Pantsir Systems in. Also a few fighters and interceptors wouldn't be bad.

Heard that Su-57 should be in Syria, but is this true or not? Are some aircraft now on Iranian Bases now? Questions over questions...I know

Looks like US is backing down ..from targeting Syria..

If US backs down..Macron will run away ,since france alone is not a power that can make any difference in Syria.
Britian navy is even worse.. French combat planes will get the same welcome of Israeli planes that crashed by birds
from the sky.. and 1 pilot killed.  and it will not be personal , but Syria  self defense. So no worries .. Syria air defenses will bring down the French planes . and we all will be happy.  

Still nothing is certain. Israel lobbies have a big influence in Trump policies.
and is not clear if he will be allowed to back down.

What is clear is that most of Trump fan base is making a storm on social media ,opposing this strikes.
Including people that Trump most value their support.. he will lose all popularity with his base if attack..and will be an
easy target for the democrats later and his enemies to be impeached for anything.

Azi wrote:What russian assets are NOW in Syria? I hope they are well prepared!

Best would be a lot of AD Systems to intercept enemy cruise missile. The western coalition would look stupid and like loosers if only 20 -30 % of their mssiles will hit and there is no risk of further escalation (Their propaganda will say 99 %).

I hope they move modern Buk Systems and more Pantsir Systems in. Also a few fighters and interceptors wouldn't be bad.

Heard that Su-57 should be in Syria, but is this true or not? Are some aircraft now on Iranian Bases now? Questions over questions...I know

Russia have about 5 warships ,destroyers along Syria coast... A couple of S-400s.. in their base.. but also
S-300V4 in tartus base.. Syria army have apparently got 40x pantsir-1 defenses.. but also have S-200s and S-75
with upgraded electronics and improved sensors. so is a descent airforce.

however all those defenses.. might not be good enough to counter 100% a large scale attack from lets say 10 warships
and Submarines from US,UK and France but also Saudi arabia . So probably half of them or less will enter.

I highly doubt that Syria has 40 pantsirs. It takes time to train crew and inplement new equipment into air defence network and by the look of western strikes on Syria it's more patchy than trumps head

Regular wrote:I highly doubt that Syria has 40 pantsirs. It takes time to train crew and inplement new equipment into air defence network and by the look of western strikes on Syria it's more patchy than trumps head

They have them since long ago. It was a pantsir that destroyed the turkish f-4 in 2012 IIRC.

Aristide wrote:I dont know whats the fuss about?

Our president said we will act. So France will definitly act. This doesnt involve Russia. We will traget chemical plants.

Beside that it will be like always. When it gets serious, Russia sneaks out.

when was the last time France actually won a war 200 years ago even the tallies in 1940 kicked your asses

see your carry on with the Mistral class assault ships by not delivering them you proved a unreliable customer/supplier since then France has had very few weapon sales

as i said France hasn't had a set of balls since Jacque Chirac and when Scotland leaves the UK the days of Scotland having France's back are long gone

Vann7 wrote:

Azi wrote:What russian assets are NOW in Syria? I hope they are well prepared!

Best would be a lot of AD Systems to intercept enemy cruise missile. The western coalition would look stupid and like loosers if only 20 -30 % of their mssiles will hit and there is no risk of further escalation (Their propaganda will say 99 %).

I hope they move modern Buk Systems and more Pantsir Systems in. Also a few fighters and interceptors wouldn't be bad.

Heard that Su-57 should be in Syria, but is this true or not? Are some aircraft now on Iranian Bases now? Questions over questions...I know

Russia have about 5 warships ,destroyers along Syria coast... A couple of S-400s.. in their base.. but also
S-300V4 in tartus base.. Syria army have apparently got 40x pantsir-1 defenses.. but also have S-200s and S-75
with upgraded electronics and improved sensors. so is a descent airforce.

however all those defenses.. might not be good enough to counter 100% a large scale attack from lets say 10 warships
and Submarines from US,UK and France but also Saudi arabia . So probably half of them or less will enter.

Along with the S-400 and S-300 you mention, but it is often forgotten, the other S-400 that was installed sometime between April and July 2017 13 km from Masyaf, between Tartous and Homs. Apart from moving the coverage are slightly south and east, the significance of this site is that it is up in the hills, not down at sea level, giving it a huge boost in actual coverage by reducing considerably radar shadow areas caused by said and other hills.

There will be Pantirs there too, protecting it.

It is also unknown as to where more systems have been shipped or flown in over the past few weeks since tensions became raised following Russia's statement about forthcoming gas attacks. This could mean that there are actually many more mobile SAMs than currently known about. In particular, that tracked short range Strela system photographed a few weeks ago.

This isn't too bad

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-12/look-russias-military-assets-syria

GarryB wrote:Also important are the A-50 AWACS platforms and any armed fighter aircraft that could include the Su-30, Su-35, and Su-34 and the MiG-29SMT... all of which would be perfectly capable of engaging multiple cruise missiles and passing on information about their flightpath to other assets.

Ideally they would have a MiG-31 regiment...

they should bring more Attack assests like hundreds of Kh-31/35 , tens of of Iskander lunchers, fast attack boats and corvettes armed with Moskit and Uran and send them near the the NATO vessels.

A mass saturation attack is extremely easy to parry. 
You simply sink the ships.

Azi wrote:What russian assets are NOW in Syria? I hope they are well prepared!

short answer -> only russians know, but be assured, they are prepared for escalation IF! necessary.

As I said before , all participants are nuclear armed . Nukes have kept the peace for seventy years . Like two heavy weight boxers , they are very cautious to engage , as a single blow could kill . It is the same in nature . Heavily armed and lethal creatures do a lot of sizing each other up and flexing their muscles . Usually they settle the match by deciding who has the better condition . Without inflicting much or any damage .

Once the two creatures find out by a slight application of force , who has the upper hand , then they decide who should back down . In our case we are dealing with humans that can see clearly and think who is stronger . There is no need for actual engagement to find out what to do .

We are also dealing with two nuclear armed states . This is at the core of their streanght . In order to stop a " winable " conventional confrontation . Allowing limited engagements that can escalate into a devastating " unwinable " nuclear war . It is better to display the full nuclear streanght to the world and display the unwinable nature of this confrontation . By detonating a small atmospheric device . And putting it on TV .

This I suggested to the Iran also . In case the yanks attacked or were about to attack . I am serious about this .

Vann7 wrote:
Looks like US is backing down ..from targeting Syria..

What is clear is that most of Trump fan base is making a storm on social media ,opposing this strikes.
Including people that Trump most value their support.. he will lose all popularity with his base if attack..and will be an easy target for the democrats later and his enemies to be impeached for anything.

Good to hear this. Trump is a moron but but his advisors must have tried to talk him out of this. I can't believe any of the State or Defense Dept pros want to risk a major clash so needlessly.