Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

d_taddei2 wrote:i quite agree, another good piece of artillery that would be useful is the 2S5 Giatsint-S or the towed version 2A36 Giatsint-B, using good recce and artillery spotters these would be highly effective and Russia is slowly phasing them out so no real loss to Russia in sending them, the range (28km) alone will make sure they stay out of harms way and the powerful 152mm will make short work of most targets and simple enough to use. Russia could also send some BM-21, BMP-1, BMP-2, and like you said some upgraded T-72. As for ATGW AT-4, and AT-5 will be suffice, and maybe some AT-6 mounted on BRDM-2 and MT-LB for when longer range is needed, the AT-6 would be ideal for taking out TOW launchers having a max range of 5km should be able to stay out of TOW range.

higurashihougi wrote:Make a guess

The Obama administration has proposed a new agreement on Syria to the Russian government that would deepen military cooperation between the two countries against some terrorists in exchange for Russia getting the Assad regime to stop bombing U.S.-supported rebels.

The United States transmitted the text of the proposed agreement to the Russian government on Monday after weeks of negotiations and internal Obama administration deliberations, an administration official told me. The crux of the deal is a U.S. promise to join forces with the Russian air force to share targeting and coordinate an expanded bombing campaign against Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria, which is primarily fighting the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Under the proposal, which was personally approved by President Obama and heavily supported by Secretary of State John F. Kerry, the American and Russian militaries would cooperate at an unprecedented level, something the Russians have sought for a long time.

In exchange, the Russians would agree to pressure the Assad regime to stop bombing certain Syrian rebel groups the United States does not consider terrorists. The United States would not give Russia the exact locations of these groups, under the proposal, but would specify geographic zones that would be safe from the Assad regime’s aerial assaults.....................

max steel wrote:Obama's proxies allied w ‪#‎AlQaeda‬ in ‪#‎Aleppo‬ area and elsewhere are in peril from renewed Russian airstrikes & SAA offensive.
The question is - is the US seeing reason and acceding to Russian demands for cooperation, or simply trying a new "cooperation" gambit to forestall

Russian strikes and create "safe zones" for their proxies and friends?

My default assumption - beware of Americans bearing gifts...


Read this : Islamic State routs Pentagon-backed Syrian rebels in fresh setback for U.S. strategy

PapaDragon wrote:
Obama proposes new military partnership with Russia in Syria

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/obama-proposes-new-military-partnership-with-russia-in-syria/2016/06/29/8e8b2e2a-3e3f-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html

The Obama administration has proposed a new agreement on Syria to the Russian government that would deepen military cooperation between the two countries against some terrorists in exchange for Russia getting the Assad regime to stop bombing U.S.-supported rebels.

The United States transmitted the text of the proposed agreement to the Russian government on Monday after weeks of negotiations and internal Obama administration deliberations, an administration official told me. The crux of the deal is a U.S. promise to join forces with the Russian air force to share targeting and coordinate an expanded bombing campaign against Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria, which is primarily fighting the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Under the proposal, which was personally approved by President Obama and heavily supported by Secretary of State John F. Kerry, the American and Russian militaries would cooperate at an unprecedented level, something the Russians have sought for a long time.

In exchange, the Russians would agree to pressure the Assad regime to stop bombing certain Syrian rebel groups the United States does not consider terrorists. The United States would not give Russia the exact locations of these groups, under the proposal, but would specify geographic zones that would be safe from the Assad regime’s aerial assaults.....................

ALSO: WILL MODS PLEASE BAN THAT MORON? EVEN WITH IGNORE LIST IT STILL CAUSES PROBLEMS DUE TO SHEER CLUTTER !

kvs wrote:

How can Obama be trusted when he is pushing the biggest military deployment on Russia's borders since WWII?

Russia should not accept any "cease fires" and "partnership operations" whatsoever in Syria.  These have pure malicious intent
designed to tie Russia's hands and undermine the SAA.

KiloGolf wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:i quite agree, another good piece of artillery that would be useful is the 2S5 Giatsint-S or the towed version 2A36 Giatsint-B, using good recce and artillery spotters these would be highly effective and Russia is slowly phasing them out so no real loss to Russia in sending them, the range (28km) alone will make sure they stay out of harms way and the powerful 152mm will make short work of most targets and simple enough to use. Russia could also send some BM-21, BMP-1, BMP-2, and like you said some upgraded T-72. As for ATGW AT-4, and AT-5 will be suffice, and maybe some AT-6 mounted on BRDM-2 and MT-LB for when longer range is needed, the AT-6 would be ideal for taking out TOW launchers having a max range of 5km should be able to stay out of TOW range.

DCH-1EM* would also be great.
Someone needs to operate them after all. I doubt many of the Assad selfie brigades will be up to the task.



*Donbas Cossack Hobo

calm wrote:

max steel wrote: Four million Russian tourists had visited Turkey last year, whereas, the traffic has almost dried up this year, and it dealt a devastating blow to the Turkish economy. Murat Yetkin, the senior Turkish editor disclosed that Turkish business interests would have played a role as back channel.

Clearly, there is mutual desire to move on. The Russian trade embargo hurt Turkish economy. For the Russian side, too, Turkey is an important economic partner with trade flourishing at $30 billion (2014 figures) and heavily in Russia’s favour on account of energy exports. When the curtain came down in November, Russia was gearing up to construct a $20 billion nuclear power plant in Turkey and was toying with the South Stream gas pipeline via Turkey with a whopping annual capacity of 67 billion cubic meters, a project to supply southern European countries with Russian gas.

However, the Turkish-Russian reconciliation has major geopolitical implications, too. Turkey is on the cusp of a big course correction in regional policies. All signs are that it is inclined to wind down the intervention in the Syrian conflict and to come out of its regional isolation by mending ties with Russia, Israel, Iraq and Egypt.

Meanwhile, Turkey’s deal with Europe – stopping the migrant flow in lieu of EU financial aid – is coming unstuck. (With Brexit, Turkey loses its principal supporter in the EU as such.) Ties with the US have run into difficulty in recent years. On the other hand, ‘neo-Ottomanism’ has no takers in the Muslim Middle East.

kvs wrote: How can Obama be trusted when he is pushing the biggest military deployment on Russia's borders since WWII?

Russia should not accept any "cease fires" and "partnership operations" whatsoever in Syria.  These have pure malicious intent
designed to tie Russia's hands and undermine the SAA.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

... PTRD-41? That's some extreme archaeology.

archangelski wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

... PTRD-41? That's some extreme archaeology.

More probably ASVK, but due to blurring of moving pictures, difficult to say...

archangelski wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

... PTRD-41? That's some extreme archaeology.

More probably ASVK, but due to blurring of moving pictures, difficult to say...

par far wrote:Russian aircraft carrier to take part in Syria operation by October – source

https://www.rt.com/news/349279-russia-aircraft-carrier-syria/

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

par far wrote:Russian aircraft carrier to take part in Syria operation by October – source

https://www.rt.com/news/349279-russia-aircraft-carrier-syria/

15 fighters only?! ...isn´t it Kuznietsov to be able to carry airwing like 40 fighters? or not enough MiGs yet? i wonder if this i showcase or force projection or mostly training an d Mig-29K marketing

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

par far wrote:Russian aircraft carrier to take part in Syria operation by October – source

https://www.rt.com/news/349279-russia-aircraft-carrier-syria/

15 fighters only?! ...isn´t it Kuznietsov to be able to carry airwing like 40 fighters? or not enough MiGs yet? i wonder if this i showcase or force projection or mostly training an d Mig-29K marketing