Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

PapaDragon wrote:
 

Ukraine plans to join fight against Isis means troops could come up against Russian forces in Syria

Any troop deployment into Syria would be controversial in Kiev, not to mention in Europe

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-plans-to-join-fight-against-isis-means-troops-could-come-up-against-russian-forces-in-syria-a6845336.html

Ukraine has drawn up plans for a potential military contribution to the fight against Isis in Syria in a move that could also pit its troops against Russian forces in the Middle East.

An options paper drawn up by Ukraine’s defence ministry is to be discussed this week during a visit by US Defence Secretary Ash Carter, who has been touring the world gathering support for the war against the extremist jihadist group.

According to those who have read it, the paper – produced at the behest of President Petro Poroshenko – highlights the possibility of Ukrainian forces coming up against Russian forces in Syria, and details potential contributions.

A Ukrainian government source said: “We have prepared a range of options for our support against Isis including in Syria, which could include troops. It could result in potential clashes with Russians.”

Ukraine’s battle-hardened armed forces would relish such an opportunity. Ukraine has four special-forces regiments and a further unit of its Defence Intelligence   Department – a total of 7,000 troops. It also has highly capable airborne troops, part of a mobilised army numbering 200,000,   of which 40,000 are always on the country’s eastern front facing pro-Russian rebels.

In terms of Russian language skills and combating Russian tactics, Ukrainians are world leaders.    However, any troop deployment into Syria would be controversial in Kiev, and require a parliamentary vote, with some arguing that Ukraine needs to focus on the rebels who pose a continuing threat in its east, despite the current military deadlock. It might also prove controversial in Europe.

A senior military source in Ukraine’s capital said: “I would see a lot of hand wringing at Nato in Brussels.”

PapaDragon wrote:
 

Ukraine plans to join fight against Isis means troops could come up against Russian forces in Syria

Any troop deployment into Syria would be controversial in Kiev, not to mention in Europe

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-plans-to-join-fight-against-isis-means-troops-could-come-up-against-russian-forces-in-syria-a6845336.html

Ukraine has drawn up plans for a potential military contribution to the fight against Isis in Syria in a move that could also pit its troops against Russian forces in the Middle East.

In terms of Russian language skills and combating Russian tactics, Ukrainians are world leaders.    However, any troop deployment into Syria would be controversial in Kiev, and require a parliamentary vote, with some arguing that Ukraine needs to focus on the rebels who pose a continuing threat in its east, despite the current military deadlock. It might also prove controversial in Europe.

A senior military source in Ukraine’s capital said: “I would see a lot of hand wringing at Nato in Brussels.”

GunshipDemocracy wrote:is this Galil, Valmet or AK?

JohninMK wrote:From Aldin's Twitter

SyrianMilitaryCap. ‏@syrianmilitary 33m33 minutes ago.   behold ,first #Syrian made APS ,IR jammer , on a T-72av #Aleppo
@oryxspioenkop @green_lemonnn @IvanSidorenko1

Maximmmm wrote:

JohninMK wrote:From Aldin's Twitter

SyrianMilitaryCap. ‏@syrianmilitary 33m33 minutes ago.   behold ,first #Syrian made APS ,IR jammer , on a T-72av #Aleppo
@oryxspioenkop @green_lemonnn @IvanSidorenko1

Pretty surprised when I saw it, looks like we've definitely helped them get their repair facilities back on track to be able to take care of kit like that. I doubt they'd throw it in if the Syrians didn't have the capacity to at least maintain it.
Good for the crews either way.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
If it is the only one spotted out there (good chance it has considering the hundreds of Syrian War pictures posted daily). There is a good chance that it is a prototype undergoing some field testing and may see further action and more wide-scale use later. Not impossible to do during an armed conflict with the proper equipment (in this case it is Russia's help) too.

I had an interesting conversation a few months ago with an engineer in the defense sector. He told me about a bunker-buster bomb that was hastily put together and operationally deployed in the short time frame of the First Gulf War. The bomb was a discarded artillery barrel packed with explosives and fitted with a laser guidance system and some fins. The bomb was tested once then was immediately deployed. And this was the United States, one of the most industrialized nations in the world.

satbot wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:is this Galil, Valmet or AK?

None of the above, that looks like a tacticooled type 56.

ANADOLU AGENCY (ENG) ‏@anadoluagency Jan 29
'109 Russian troops killed in Syria' since September http://v.aa.com.tr/512226

GunshipDemocracy wrote:is this Galil, Valmet or AK?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:is this Galil, Valmet or AK?

Definitely not a Galil. The gas tube and gas block that taps gas leading from the barrel in the Galil is different, the tube being vertical without the flutes stamped into the tube.
Galil also has a 90 degree vertical extension on the cocking lever, allowing cocking to be done with the left hand easily.
Galil sights are a different design, and in a different location too.

KiloGolf wrote:sometimes you don't know where to start with Erdo's propaganda...

ANADOLU AGENCY (ENG) ‏@anadoluagency  Jan 29
'109 Russian troops killed in Syria' since September http://v.aa.com.tr/512226  

max steel wrote:THUG LIFE  

Vann7 wrote:After the latest advancements of Syrian army in aleppo ,kerry now wants
a cease of fire..


When Assad is winning ,they are Now worried about civilians humanitarian needs..
and of course who is to blame for this.. ?  is not ISIS ,,noo.. its not alqaeda.. but Assad.  




Is amazing to see how this people lie and lie with a straight face ,not a single mention
of how Turkey aids ISIS or how their "moderates" are friendly to them and that the civilian
crisis is consequences of their support for islamic extremism with weapons .  ISIS was a secondary thing and not related to the civilians humanitarian problem.

The Deputy foreign Minister also said that linking the start of Syrian peace talks with Damascus's implementation of a number of requirements may be an attempt to block the process

GENEVA, 2 February. /TASS/. Russia will continue to assist the Syrian government in the fight against terrorism. This was stated by Deputy Minister of foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Gennady Gatilov. "The issue of ceasefire requires the most serious consideration, because it is necessary to determine against whom to enforce the ceasefire, he said. - If we are talking about terrorist organizations in Syria, here our position is clear - we agreed that our fight against terrorism and supporting the Syrian government in the fight against terrorist organizations we will continue". At the same time, Gatilov indicated that to determine the groups which will be subject to a ceasefire, and which - not. However, according to him, while in the compilation of a common list of terrorist organizations has no significant progress. "Work is being done, Jordan gathers information provided by the countries, he said. But differences remain".


The participation of the Kurds The diplomat also said that Russia hopes to connect the Kurds to the Syrian talks, the special envoy of the UN Secretary General on Syria Staffan de Mistura will continue to send out the invitations.

Kurdish aspect, I would say, is even prevalent in our discussions, because the Kurds are a serious part of the opposition, he said. - As promised we de Mistura, he will continue to send official invitations to the Kurds. Hopefully in the future they will participate". The Deputy Minister noted that the approaches of Russia on the participation of the Kurds and the US agree. "But, unfortunately, this issue faces stiff opposition of Turkey," he said.

An attempt to lock the process Gatilov also said that linking the start of Syrian peace talks with Damascus's implementation of a number of requirements may be an attempt to block the process. "From the beginning we opposed the linking of any of aspects with the launch of the negotiation process, whether it be humanitarian issues or any other issues," he said. "Any way that is not stipulated by UN security Council resolution - continued the diplomat. - Therefore, the attempts of linking indicate non-constructive position and may even have any intentions to block the start of negotiations". It is, in particular, the requirement to Damascus to provide humanitarian access and to lift the siege of several cities.