JohninMK wrote:Not sure about that. In Obama's speech yesterday he made no, repeat no, mention of Russia being in Syria at all.
By clear intent leaving the impression to those not properly informed, that is most of his audience, that all the fighting with ISIS being done by the US coalition.
I'm convinced that the American public actually enjoys being lied to and thoroughly enjoy their egos being stroked. To even suggest that another country [not subservient to the US] was doing anything right would automatically be misconstrued as anti-Americanism by their retarded media -> Fox news. Every American President and official nauseatingly espouses the merits of American exceptionalism.
The Source below cites the Pentagon press secretary complaining about the fact that Syria has benefited from Russia's intervention:
Cyrus the great wrote:I just have to laugh at the incredibly illogical assertions, proposals and demands by the Anglo-American establishment. They actually think that Russia should abandon a historical ally as though this was somehow logical, and that Russia should avoid hitting Islamists terrorists that they armed and unleashed with the objective of removing Assad. If Russia acquiesced, it would undoubtedly lose its only naval base in the Mediterranean. I just don't get it.
We're constantly told [that other than ISIL], the other terrorist groups are 'moderate', without so much as an explanation as to how this assessment was arrived at and why this term is appropriate for groups that advocate for Sharia. If some God-awful armed groups in the 'western' world advocated for religious law, they wouldn't be called 'moderates' - they would quite rightly be regarded as dangerous radicals.
It's nice to see that American officials are now admitting that Russia's intervention is having an effect on the ground. It will take time, but thanks to the Russians, the Syrians will get their country back.
Chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the Russian General Staff Sergei Rudskoy summed up the results of activities of the Russian air group in Syria since September 30
Since September 30, the Russian air group has performed 4201 combat sorties, among them –145 ones have been carried out by the strategic missile-carrying and long-range bomber aviation. Bomb strikes are made on main infrastructural objects, concentrations of military hardware and manpower of militants.
In the course of the last several weeks, the intensiveness of strikes on the positions of the ISIS and other terrorist groupings has been increased.
The Russian aviation continues undermining terrorists’ sources of income in Syria – that is one of the priorities.
For this purpose, just in the last three days, 6 objects of militants’ illegal oil production as well as 7 automobile columns with crude oil and oil products have been destroyed.
Since the beginning of the operation, the Russian aviation has eliminated over 1200 such tanker trucks.
The Syrian Armed Forces supported by the Russian aviation continue offensive operation along all the frontline, the most severe combat actions were in the Latakia, Aleppo, Hama, and Homs provinces as well as in the suburbs of Damascus.
Terrorists’ formations are suffering heavy losses.
In the Aleppo province, governmental forces continue expanding the security zone around the Kwaires airfield developing offensive in the south-west direction to Idlib.
During the last week, despite the tough resistance of illegal armed groups, they have liberated 9 inhabited areas.
In the Latakia province, assault groups of the Syrian Army conducted offensive actions in the northern and western directions.
In the Northern Latakia, governmental forces extended under-control territories of Syrian-Turkish borderline.
Near Sirmaniyah and Salma, militants have retreated from important tactical heights and inhabited areas.
In Central Syria, governmental forces and militia captured a number of important heights and points near Mahin.
In suburbs of Damascus, governmental forces continue making incursions in order to narrow the entrapment area for illegal armed groups in directions to Marj al-Sultan, an-Nula, Duma, and Zibdin
Activities performed by so-called moderate opposition units against the ISIS contribute to successful ground operation of the Syrian Armed Forces.
Now, there are more than 150 such formations active on the Syrian territory. Most patriotically-minded are fighting against terrorists in cooperation with the Syrian governmental forces. These are 5,000 men in total in the formations.
The Russian Defence Ministry established and keeps constant contact with them. The opposition formations are providing the Russian aviation group leadership with coordinates of terrorists’ objects for their elimination.
For instance, in order to support the offensive carried out by Ganim detachment, which forms part of the Free Syrian Army and Syrian Democratic Forces, the Russian aviation performed 17 strikes on ISIS positions to the north from Raqqah last day.
According to the objective monitoring data, the Russian aircraft eliminated more than 150 militants and 11 items of hardware.
Moreover, the aircraft performed 18 strikes on terrorists in the interests of “Desert Lions” and “Kalamun” formations near Palmyra and El-Karatien.
It is to be stressed that the Russian Defence Ministry is to continue the work aimed to joining efforts of governmental forces and other armed formations, which are interested in liberating Syria from international terrorists.
Mmmm.. What is Kerry and Nuland with the US ambasaddor doing in moscow..?
It looks like a real big changer meeting.. and the topic at discussion is not suprising Syria and Ukraine..
possibly the reasons my bet is Syria is the most important issue for Americans.. Ukraine already have a minsk-2 that even if not implemented it set the guidelines of the way out of the conflict.. However in Syria there is no negotiation or guidelines yet. So possibly the negotiations is mostly about SYria ,because US controls kiev and while in Syria you have many factions there with different goals ,like Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Israel ,and the interest of the EU too that is really fed up with the refugees. so in Syria conflict is way way more difficult to get consensus there.
1)To blackmail Russia to backdown in Syria and demand Assad to leave . threatening with an increase of hostilities against Russia using Turkey.
2) To negotiate an agreement in Syria that is acceptable for Americans and that Syria lose territory (kurdistan or sunistan) but in change the terrorist no longer supported ,and US will end its proxy war against Syria and allowed to continue .
3) that they are losing control of the factions in Syria , ie. Turkey ,Israel and Saudi Arabia and really under pressure of the European Union to end the Syrian conflict and seeking to create a minsk-2 like agreement for Syria and be seen no longer as part of the problem.
4)End the cold war with Russia and sanctions if they accept an offer to Russia that will allow USA to continue as the world financial power and dollar hegemony and they will end the war in Syria and Ukraine.
if i were to guess #2 option is the most likely one.. and #4 is the wishful thinking one..but definitively a shared world between US ,EU and Russia is better than what we have now.
a side note.. I really don't understand ,how western elite think.. is like absolute ignorance and blindness . with all the influence Americans have in the world with its culture ,technology ,entertainment, movies and music and space program and business and computers.. they don't need to control the planet by force and violence or even less making alliances with Alqaeda or ISIS to destroy nations. Because if anyone look carefully what americans are trying to do.. is nothing more than to block Russia from its development in the world.. as if Russia could pose a major challenge to their business. other than military and space ,i dont see that happening. in fact Russia complement US and helps their own development in space.
Moscow, Washington Agree on Syria Peace Talks in New York on Friday
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has confirmed that Syria talks will resume in New York City on Friday, adding that he and US Secretary of State John Kerry are finding common ground.
The New York talks had previously been up in the air, as it was unclear if Washington would meet Moscow's preconditions over the role of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the list of participating opposition groups.
During talks in Moscow between Lavrov, Kerry, and Russian President Vladimir Putin, Kerry said that the two nations could work together effectively on combating terrorism in Syria. The meeting was scheduled to last only one hour, but lasted for more than three.
Kerry also announced that Russia and the US had discussed exchanging data on the locations of anti-terrorist operations, and that Washington is not pursuing a policy of isolating Russia.
"Today we focused not on our differences, and not on what can be done immediately in terms of Assad, but we focused on the political process, in the frame of which Syrians themselves can decide the future of their country," Kerry said, according to RIA Novosti.
After talks with Putin and Lavrov, Kerry also agreed that neither al-Nusra Front nor Daesh, also known as ISIL/the Islamic State, will be part of the Syrian opposition talks.
"Islamic State, Nusra Front and other terrorist groups pose common threat to us, and we reaffirmed today our mutual determination to root out this evil," Lavrov said.
Lavrov also said that both parties agreed that the Vienna Accords on Syria must be backed a United Nations Security Council resolution, adding that Washington and Moscow have agreed on the next steps for effectively coordinating anti-terror efforts.
"We met today not as Russia and the US alone, behind the backs of the other participants in the support group for Syria," Lavrov said according to RIA Novosti. "We met as co-chairs of the group, which do not do anything in secret and do not keep anything from the other members of that group, which was created as a result of the Vienna process."
"We approved agreements that have been reached between the militaries of the Russian Federation and the United States, and agreements that apply to the US-led coalition, which works against ISIL," Lavrov added. "And in practical terms we agreed on some further steps that will help make our parallel work more coordinated and more effective."
The meeting between Syria's opposition groups in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia seeks to establish a agreement by which the opposition can enter negotiations with the Syrian government.
"It does not represent all opposition groups, but this, again, was one step in the process, which is coordinated by the United Nations," Lavrov said.
Lavrov also pointed out that the UN Secretariat was unable to provide Russia with any proof that its Syrian operations have had a negative impact on the humanitarian situation.
Russian Warplanes Conduct Over 4,200 Sorties in Syria Starting September 30
Russian combat aircraft have carried out more than 4,200 missions against terrorist targets since the start of the air operation in Syria on September 30, the Russian General Staff said Tuesday.
"Since September 30, the Russian air group has carried out a total of 4,201 combat missions, including 145 sorties by strategic and long-range bombers," Lt. Gen. Sergey Rudskoy, chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said in a statement.
According to him, the Russian Air Force is conducting airstrikes on the main Daesh facilities.
Russia's jets conducted 18 airstrikes on terrorist units to aid the "Lions of the Desert" and "Kalamun" troops belonging to the Free Syrian Army.
Syria's opposition is also assisting Russian forces by providing coordinates of Daesh objects, Rudskoy noted.
"Constant contact is maintained with them [opposition fighters]. The opposition is providing Russia's aviation group command with coordinates of terrorist targets," Lt. Gen. said.
Some 5,000 opposition militants are fighting Daesh alongside the Syrian Army, according to the Russian General Staff.
"The so-called Syrian opposition aids the success of the Syrian Armed Forces' ground operation. Currently there are over 150 such [joint] units in Syria," Rudskoy said.
Russian Armed Forces will work on uniting Syria's government forces and numerous fighting units all of which are battling Daesh terrorists, according to Lt. Gen. Sergey Rudskoy.
"I want to emphasize that we intend to continue to work towards uniting the efforts of government troops and other groups interested in liberating Syria from international terrorists," he said.
"Syrian rebels from Free Syrian Army shot down russian Orlan-10 drone in Sheikh Miskin Of Daraa. The Orlan-10 is an unmanned aerial vehicle reported to have been produced for the Russian government at the Special Technological Centre of Saint Petersburg.
The system can observe above –ground environment, it is used for country borders protection and other territory observations. Coasts, railways, highways can also be observed by the system and rescue operations team may use the system effectively."
Militarov wrote:"Syrian rebels from Free Syrian Army shot down russian Orlan-10 drone in Sheikh Miskin Of Daraa. The Orlan-10 is an unmanned aerial vehicle reported to have been produced for the Russian government at the Special Technological Centre of Saint Petersburg.
The system can observe above –ground environment, it is used for country borders protection and other territory observations. Coasts, railways, highways can also be observed by the system and rescue operations team may use the system effectively."
thats too bad, I hope they come up with an Orlan-10M with self destruction capability that has a special trigger that goes off when people pose for a picture with its debris
Edit: any chance that there are sensitive technologies in the downed Orlan that western military could unlock and use against russian UAVs in future incidents?
Militarov wrote:"Syrian rebels from Free Syrian Army shot down russian Orlan-10 drone in Sheikh Miskin Of Daraa. The Orlan-10 is an unmanned aerial vehicle reported to have been produced for the Russian government at the Special Technological Centre of Saint Petersburg.
The system can observe above –ground environment, it is used for country borders protection and other territory observations. Coasts, railways, highways can also be observed by the system and rescue operations team may use the system effectively."
thats too bad, I hope they come up with an Orlan-10M with self destruction capability that has a special trigger that goes off when people pose for a picture with its debris
Edit: any chance that there are sensitive technologies in the downed Orlan that western military could unlock and use against russian UAVs in future incidents?
Militarov wrote:"Syrian rebels from Free Syrian Army shot down russian Orlan-10 drone in Sheikh Miskin Of Daraa. The Orlan-10 is an unmanned aerial vehicle reported to have been produced for the Russian government at the Special Technological Centre of Saint Petersburg.
The system can observe above –ground environment, it is used for country borders protection and other territory observations. Coasts, railways, highways can also be observed by the system and rescue operations team may use the system effectively."
thats too bad, I hope they come up with an Orlan-10M with self destruction capability that has a special trigger that goes off when people pose for a picture with its debris
Edit: any chance that there are sensitive technologies in the downed Orlan that western military could unlock and use against russian UAVs in future incidents?
Doubtful, they are based on commercial or widely common tech, at leas these light UAVs.
"We really want to cooperate with the Russians in fight against Daesh on condition that their airstrikes hit solely Daesh targets," the general stressed.
Hehehe... translation... you are hurting us so bad we will do anything to make it stop including pass target and intel information to our enemies that are supporting Assad...
Of course at the end of the day ideally Russia needs to get the anti assad and pro assad forces to fight against ISIS and then when that is done to talk together and sort out Syrias future using the ballot box rather than the muzzle of a rifle.
Seems like Putin had already find out some real "moderates", probably the Kurds and some FSAs which closely cooperate with the Kurds.
Well after all, Russia made it clear that she does not bomb "moderate rebels", she only bombs terrorists.
The Russian military in Syria is in "constant contact" with the Syrian opposition forces that are fighting Islamic State, Russia's Ministry of Defense says. The opposition is providing the Russian Air Force with coordinates to strike at terrorists.
"Contact has been established and is constantly maintained. Opposition groups are providing the command of the Russian Air Force coordinates to strike terrorist targets," Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy told journalists on Tuesday.
The Syrian "moderate" opposition also contributes to the advance of Syrian government forces in their fight against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), the defense ministry official said.
There are over 150 such opposition groups, Rudskoy said, adding that "the most patriotic of them" are already fighting IS terrorists alongside the Syrian army. "Today they count up to over 5,000 people," he told reporters.
Rudskoy also stressed that the Russian military is helping rebel fighters in battles against IS.
Project Canada wrote: Edit: any chance that there are sensitive technologies in the downed Orlan that western military could unlock and use against russian UAVs in future incidents?
Orlan is a rudimental piece of sh*t. Its a pure shame for russian army...
they are supposed to be expendible... no point making them too valuable to lose because that makes them too valuable to use... and if you can't use them they are useless.
They can be made to be fairly simple and basic yet still able to transmit useful information...
I am still amazed at how many people lose their respective heads when a UAV gets shot down... Especially these lightweights. They're expendable, it's kinda their job.
OminousSpudd wrote:I am still amazed at how many people lose their respective heads when a UAV gets shot down... Especially these lightweights. They're expendable, it's kinda their job.
This and what Garry said. It is no worse than losing a model airplane compared to an aircraft and potentially a pilot as would have been the case only several years ago.
Ivan the Colorado wrote: This and what Garry said. It is no worse than losing a model airplane compared to an aircraft and potentially a pilot as would have been the case only several years ago.
Except their roles are similar to either a recon fighter or an ELINT-plane depending the situation. Neither of which would actually be threatened by that type of enemy. Meanwhile losing battlefield surveillance, especially in an ongoing fight, is never good.
Because even if those are "inexpensive" they don't grow on trees, every loses has to be replaced which can take anywhere from days to months.
Drone are great for low key insurgency allowing to establish long endurance patrols and networks mappings, in a real war their tactical value drop compared to a real surveillance or recon asset.
''Russian Air Forces have conducted 59 combat missions hitting 200 Daesh targets in 7 Syrian provinces over past 24 hours, the Russian Defense ministry said''
Sputnik news is probably shittiest garbage I've read. Reminds me of Ukromedia. I try to avoid ever opening article to their site. Kiseliovs diarrhoea. Turks at it again http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-says-russia-should-not-violate-its-airspace-to-avoid-repeat-plane-shoot-down.aspx?pageID=238&nID=92595&NewsCatID=510 Oh and yeah, turkey detained 28 Russian ships in Turkish ports. http://www.albawabaeg.com/72633
Project Canada wrote: Edit: any chance that there are sensitive technologies in the downed Orlan that western military could unlock and use against russian UAVs in future incidents?
Orlan is a rudimental piece of sh*t. Its a pure shame for russian army...
How come? Orlan 10 seems like a solid UAV. Why is it a piece of shit?
sepheronx wrote:And why is that? Sputnik provides sources, links and screenshots. May be inconvenient for you?
Clickbite titles, various crap sources and etc. Screams of dailyfailski. Don't like it at all. Ria Novosti (RIP) was the best imho. For Russian strikes I go to Russian mod website for other news I read tass.ru.
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