Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

Neutrality wrote:

Khepesh wrote:I'm sure its just stuffing, but a lot of chat on the networks that Turkish 1st Army is now mostly mobilised and reinforced and massed on the border poised to possibly attack in the direction Latakia. I cannot believe this as I am sure if Turkey made a serious incursion it would be much further east, but since maidan we live in "interesting times" and hardly anything surprises me now....

Which networks specifically? Turkish military networks? Okay let's assume he does this. What will be Erdogan's justification for this? I'm talking about the official justification not the real one that people like us are aware of. He's going to get fried at the UN. Remind me again, how did the world react to Turkish invasion of Cyprus?

EDIT: Upon further thinking Erdogan's justification is quite simple. He's going to push the "protecting Turkmen" card.

He can't pull that card, Because there are enough people in NATO that want Erdross to get bent. You can't use the same ISIS highway to defend Turkmens and attack Russia. That's the "red line" of support for Obomba. He'd love to have Turks get bloodied badly, it's the way the US straightens up its allies. By letting them bleed.

And I belive that Putin just wants to strike within a reasonable limit, that being Syrian borders). Oh and with the French being there, Blue on blue might happen just because...

KoTeMoRe wrote: The issue is Kesab, because while the Russians can pound the shit out of any attempt there, the Turks can receive short notice air support and hit deep enough without getting in the open.

I don't think they'll do that as the S-400 has Nothern Syria on lockdown.

I suppose we have to remember Erdogan is getting increasingly desperate as time goes on... We are talking a complete megalomaniac here. When rulers start getting fanciful empire building ideas, and suddenly their dream is torn out of their grasp... Things start to go down.

I mean, he's already demonstrated an acute lack of awareness when it comes to Russian capability. Either way, if a build up is true, Krems will be all over it with the sat data, so they'll have a well prepped contingency plan if it all goes to hell.

France is flying sorties from Charles de Gaulle AC. Ze Germans are making noises about getting into the act, and Cameron is seeking authorization to do the same next week. This RT article says that it looks like Corbyn won't be able to stop him from getting it.

Does anyone suspect that the real purpose of this is for NATO to strengthen its hand against Russia in regard to the Assad issue when the time comes?

Cameron to order RAF airstrikes against ISIS leadership in Syria – media
Published time: 29 Nov, 2015 11:54

https://www.rt.com/uk/323870-fallon-syria-military-operation/

JohninMK wrote:Bit of an exaggeration. There will be radar shadow areas that can be exploited, hence the need for smaller 'fill-in' units.

And I'm sure the Russians are very well aware of that fact. Plus it's highly likely that the radar station in Armavir is monitoring the Turkish air force as we speak.

BKP wrote:France is flying sorties from Charles de Gaulle AC. Ze Germans are making noises about getting into the act, and Cameron is seeking authorization to do the same next week. This RT article says that it looks like Corbyn won't be able to stop him from getting it.

Does anyone suspect that the real purpose of this is for NATO to strengthen its hand against Russia in regard to the Assad issue when the time comes?

Cameron to order RAF airstrikes against ISIS leadership in Syria – media
Published time: 29 Nov, 2015 11:54

https://www.rt.com/uk/323870-fallon-syria-military-operation/

Any sort of naval airpower is irrelevant when you already have a ton of air assets stationed in Iraq... The last thing Fritz and co. want to do is have a naval force predominantly structured for airstrikes trying to deal with the Russian Med fleet.

BKP wrote:France is flying sorties from Charles de Gaulle AC. Ze Germans are making noises about getting into the act, and Cameron is seeking authorization to do the same next week. This RT article says that it looks like Corbyn won't be able to stop him from getting it.

Does anyone suspect that the real purpose of this is for NATO to strengthen its hand against Russia in regard to the Assad issue when the time comes?

Cameron to order RAF airstrikes against ISIS leadership in Syria – media
Published time: 29 Nov, 2015 11:54

https://www.rt.com/uk/323870-fallon-syria-military-operation/

To the best of my knowledge only ones flying over Syria ATM are Russians and French with Russian blessing.

If Brits come they will most likely stay away from West Syria and especially Latakia, too much heat there.

Erdogan is desperate and he will try something stupid, that is a given. How stupid? We'll see, but I am pretty sure NATO crowd will want to stay away from whatever goes down. Too many trigger happy Russians over there now with an axe to grind. Not to mention Legion of Doom on standby across the Black Sea.

Mellow days are officially over as of last week.

OminousSpudd wrote:

BKP wrote:France is flying sorties from Charles de Gaulle AC. Ze Germans are making noises about getting into the act, and Cameron is seeking authorization to do the same next week. This RT article says that it looks like Corbyn won't be able to stop him from getting it.

Does anyone suspect that the real purpose of this is for NATO to strengthen its hand against Russia in regard to the Assad issue when the time comes?

Cameron to order RAF airstrikes against ISIS leadership in Syria – media
Published time: 29 Nov, 2015 11:54

https://www.rt.com/uk/323870-fallon-syria-military-operation/

Any sort of naval airpower is irrelevant when you already have a ton of air assets stationed in Iraq... The last thing Fritz and co. want to do is have a naval force predominantly structured for airstrikes trying to deal with the Russian Med fleet.

Yes, good point. Why do they need to stick their noses in though? What's the payoff? Maybe its just the cover that NATO, or at least an actively-participating coalition, can provide for the US, in terms of perception, that is.

PapaDragon wrote:
Erdogan is desperate and he will try something stupid, that is a given. How stupid? We'll see, but I am pretty sure NATO crowd will want to stay away from whatever goes down. Too many trigger happy Russians over there now with an axe to grind. Not to mention Legion of Doom on standby across the Black Sea.

Mellow days are officially over as of last week.

Yeah, and that's what I have my bad feeling about. Things really may get ugly.

Neutrality wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote: The issue is Kesab, because while the Russians can pound the shit out of any attempt there, the Turks can receive short notice air support and hit deep enough without getting in the open.

I don't think they'll do that as the S-400 has Nothern Syria on lockdown.

Kesab is a problem because the Turks can stay well within Turkish aircover from Turkish airspace. You're not going to lock into Turkish planes into Turkish territory if they don't hit Russian assets. Now you can record the hits on Syrian forces, and pull the pants on Turkey. The big, big issue is how the Turks will solve the Moskva dilemma. The moment they cross the border, that ship is going to light them up like a Nightshop and the swans would be long flying. Also don't forget, Turkey for all its huff and puff is still a lacking military force. Also as I said, Israel has been, understandably, very cooperative. Which means that Russians are going to get TIPS by Big Iz at least a day before shit happens. It's very funny that Israel plays in so many teams here, it does one thing and its contrary, strike Assad, Help Russia strike for Assad. Genius.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote: The issue is Kesab, because while the Russians can pound the shit out of any attempt there, the Turks can receive short notice air support and hit deep enough without getting in the open.

I don't think they'll do that as the S-400 has Nothern Syria on lockdown.

Kesab is a problem because the Turks can stay well within Turkish aircover from Turkish airspace. You're not going to lock into Turkish planes into Turkish territory if they don't hit Russian assets. Now you can record the hits on Syrian forces, and pull the pants on Turkey. The big, big issue is how the Turks will solve the Moskva dilemma. The moment they cross the border, that ship is going to light them up like a Nightshop and the swans would be long flying. Also don't forget, Turkey for all its huff and puff is still a lacking military force. Also as I said, Israel has been, understandably, very cooperative. Which means that Russians are going to get TIPS by Big Iz at least a day before shit happens. It's very funny that Israel plays in so many teams here, it does one thing and its contrary, strike Assad, Help Russia strike for Assad. Genius.

Israel knows not to poke the Bear. They will mirror Washington's policy up to that point, but no further.

Nearly 100 Wanted Militants Surrender to Syrian Authorities in Idlib
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940908000851

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TEHRAN (FNA)- Some 94 wanted militants surrendered to the competent authorities in Syria as the army, National Defense Forces and the Lebanese Hezbollah fighters, backed by Syrian and Russian warplanes, continue to advance against the Takfiris.
Some 94 wanted Militants from Damascus and its countryside and Idlib province turned themselves in to the competent authorities to be pardoned, informed sources said Sunday.

On Friday, sources said some 159 wanted militants turned themselves in to the Syrian authorities to be pardoned as the army continues to purge almost the entire coastal province of Lattakia of terrorist groups.

The sources said that the recent victories of the Syrian army and National Defense Forces (NDF), with the back up of the Russia fighter jets, have caused too many Takfiri terrorists to lay down their guns and apply for government pardoning in Lattakia province.

On Nov 11, some 69 wanted militants turned themselves in to the Syrian authorities in the Northern Province of Aleppo as the army defeated the ISIL terrorists who had laid siege on Kuweires Airbase for 2.5 years and still continues to gain more territories in the province.

The wanted militants turned themselves in to the competent authorities, informed sources said.

Some 119 wanted terrorists from Homs province surrendered to the government as the terrorist groups are retreating from several areas across the country.

60 others from the provinces of Damascus, Quneitra and Homs also laid down arms and turned themselves in to the Syrian authorities on Nov 7.

On Oct 28, 49 wanted persons from Damascus, Damascus Countryside, Quneitra, and Hama also surrendered.

On Nov 1, at least 184 terrorists have laid down arms and surrendered to the Syrian authorities in Damascus, Aleppo and Deir Ezzur provinces, local sources said.

Some 184 wanted persons from Damascus, Aleppo and Deir Ezzur turned themselves in to the authorities to be pardoned, provincial officials said.

The army troops, backed by Russian warplanes, have made major advances in their fight against the Takfiri terrorists across the Muslim country in recent week.

Following the Syrian-Russian joint operations, thousands of Takfiri terrorists have also fled Syria to Jordan, Turkey and Europe.

The RuAF is still attacking convoys on the border...from a anti-gov account

New RuAF attack on Bab al-Salama border crossing with Turkey killed 7 ppl & destroyed 20 aid trucks
https://twitter.com/NorthernStork/status/671038136231862272

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote: The issue is Kesab, because while the Russians can pound the shit out of any attempt there, the Turks can receive short notice air support and hit deep enough without getting in the open.

I don't think they'll do that as the S-400 has Nothern Syria on lockdown.

Kesab is a problem because the Turks can stay well within Turkish aircover from Turkish airspace. You're not going to lock into Turkish planes into Turkish territory if they don't hit Russian assets. Now you can record the hits on Syrian forces, and pull the pants on Turkey. The big, big issue is how the Turks will solve the Moskva dilemma. The moment they cross the border, that ship is going to light them up like a Nightshop and the swans would be long flying. Also don't forget, Turkey for all its huff and puff is still a lacking military force. Also as I said, Israel has been, understandably, very cooperative. Which means that Russians are going to get TIPS by Big Iz at least a day before shit happens. It's very funny that Israel plays in so many teams here, it does one thing and its contrary, strike Assad, Help Russia strike for Assad. Genius.

Israel knows not to poke the Bear. They will mirror Washington's policy up to that point, but no further.

Israel also knows that Erdross is the exact contrary of Putin. VVP is ruthless, out right violent when the situation demands it but everything is negotiable and Tangible. Erdross, especially by shooting down that plane, goes exactly in the other direction. In a sense, Israel has no problem with Syrian weakness (for all the good and bad one might thing of that), but it also knows that the Jihadist disease that choked the secular palestinians, just gets bigger by the state of the region. So yeah, instead of killing them itself when the push would come to shove, Israel will try and have the Big guys do that. Same for Iran. It tried to have the US & C° bomb Iran.

So as long as Russia will blow Erdross out of Syria, Israel, ironically will be a nice asset. Also the Russians, need to get their game back in with Big Iz. There's a lot of stuff the Russians can understand by cooperating with Israel, given they have the same ideas on many fields (dat Diaspora), this is long overdue. Coms should be a priority for Russia in Israel.

Cyberspec wrote:The RuAF is still attacking convoys on the border...from a anti-gov account

New RuAF attack on Bab al-Salama border crossing with Turkey killed 7 ppl & destroyed 20 aid trucks
https://twitter.com/NorthernStork/status/671038136231862272

Off course, that's what was said. The goal now is to make life difficult for locals who help Nusra and C°. We're not talking "civilians". We're talking those profiteers who cooperate with Nusra when it comes to distribution of goods and logistics. Helps also emptying whole areas from civilians. Nasty, but no one is going to win by being nice.

The body of Oleg A. Peshkov arrived in the Turkish capital, Ankara, where he was prepared for delivery to the Russian diplomats
https://youtu.be/CNo6_Cg2tsI

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n the part of yesterday, October 2, 2015, the Russian Ministry of Defence announced that Sukhoi Su-34 bombers attacked a terror bunker and command center in the city of Raqqa and indicated that this attack was carried out bunker buster bomb Betab-500, which until now had not been mentioned in relation to the Russian attacks in Syria .

Yes it had, they started to hit Idlib in October with BetaB and not farther than 3 days ago, hit in Daara three different locations with BetaB's, including a footage that people said was Hizb'Allah missile strike. Also Iranians are guiding some of the strikes in Aleppo. Interoperability has been crucial in avoiding ANY FF.

new russian hit on turkish convoy in N Alepo area..al-Dana :victory:

arpakola wrote:new russian hit on turkish convoy in N Alepo area..al-Dana :victory:

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Aftermath of Russian raids in Al Dana short while ago. Only 3 kms to Turkish border

Cyberspec wrote:

arpakola wrote:new russian hit on turkish convoy in N Alepo area..al-Dana :victory:

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Aftermath of Russian raids in Al Dana short while ago. Only 3 kms to Turkish border

Moscow went full molon labe mode.

Israel claimed that one Russian plane just entered Israel air space. But Israel also commented that was an error and Russian plane meant no harm, so Israel didn't shoot it down and things solved peacefully.

Seems like the Jews are mocking the Turks.

https://www.rt.com/news/323885-israeli-airspace-shoot-down/

higurashihougi wrote:Israel claimed that one Russian plane just entered Israel air space. But Israel also commented that was an error and Russian plane meant no harm, so Israel didn't shoot it down and things solved peacefully.

Seems like the Jews are mocking the Turks.

https://www.rt.com/news/323885-israeli-airspace-shoot-down/

Since when is Golan part of Israel's airspace?

Golan Heights is an illegally occupied territory that is technically still part of Syria.