Turkey and ISIS support

Mustafa wrote:You know i don´t know why russia say something like this, insults our president, his family and our entire nation. Just because one airplane.

Russia has not shown any prove for all of this.

So what do tehy try to achieve with this insults against our nation?

And how do tehy think they can bring our nations back on the table again for negotiations? The last days were really bad in that regard and i don´t know what to think about all of this.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Mustafa wrote:You know i don´t know why russia say something like this, insults our president, his family and our entire nation. Just because one airplane.

Russia has not shown any prove for all of this.

So what do tehy try to achieve with this insults against our nation?

And how do tehy think they can bring our nations back on the table again for negotiations? The last days were really bad in that regard and i don´t know what to think about all of this.

Nation? You government is your Nation?

The  problem with Turkey is that it tries to make it look like Russia, however like Russia it doesn't understand that there's no smoking gun needed. One only need to watch the North Aleppo issue unfold.

Since Russia has started to bomb convoys for Azzaz and Latakia there's a real downturn happening for the "Rebels". This means clearly that Rebels, get their loot from ...

Turkey. In the other side there's also a problem when it comes to how ISIS is reacting. They see Nusra getting weaker and they attack them and get their territory. Which also shows that the pie for the Jihadis in Norther Syria is getting smaller, not bigger.

So clearly, this means that Turkey, no matter HOW hard it tries to reject accusaitons, is the gate for weapons, supplies and everything else to the rebels. That GEography 101.

Now please stay gone while Russia sorts out the "Turkmen/Rebel" problem.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
Guys, guys,

I am surprised that you have filled so many pages discussing this kind of stuff with this user troll Mustafa Oguzhanoz Mustafa.

Considering that Turkey is a very primitive form of an Orwellian society, this user can only be an agent of those same foreign entities that are in immediate charge of that society; otherwise, he would have already been arrested for even posting the material he has posted here. Look at those Turkish journalists arrested after I first posted this passage.

What would then be the point of having a conversation with him. This is his day job; he is a Tom Parsons.

You know i don´t know why russia say something like this,

Siempre_Leal wrote:

Mustafa wrote:

Siempre_Leal wrote:

the problem in this forum is the total inability to understand that another nations interest might not be the same as russian interests. Considering the fact that large parts of the russian people live under extreme poverty it might be good to do a reality check and get used to that idea.

Russia doesnt have the international power to keep Assad in power. Evry single neighbor is against assad and will never accept an alawite as president of an 80% sunni nation. Its that simple.

considering our own economic boom and russias economic downfall as well as international isolation, its pretty clear who is stupid and who not.

Mustafa wrote:That is plain and simple not true. Beside that our own research found out the oil trade is done from a russian citizen.

beside that we dont see how russia is against ISIS, so far russia does supportbthem and attacks enemies of isis.

and to those who dream about attacks against turkey or our government. They should know that russia is far more vulnerable than in turkey.

the most laughable part is, that russia did not sanction the nuclear power deal or their planned pipeline. We think about ending those projects ourself and i support this.

why should we do such massive business deal with a country that is hostile with our nation?

Mustafa wrote:We dont need russia but prefer good relations. If russia wants conflict with us, so be it.

Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.

Mustafa wrote:You know i don´t know why russia say something like this, insults our president, his family and our entire nation. Just because one airplane.

Russia has not shown any prove for all of this.

So what do tehy try to achieve with this insults against our nation?

And how do tehy think they can bring our nations back on the table again for negotiations? The last days were really bad in that regard and i don´t know what to think about all of this.

Mustafa wrote:so does russia really want war with us and is not interested in calming down ? And no, we wontstand down if russia attacks turkmen people. this is very serious thing for us. And we wont back down.

That is plain and simple not true. Beside that our own research found out the oil trade is done from a russian citizen.

beside that we dont see how russia is against ISIS, so far russia does supportbthem and attacks enemies of isis.

and to those who dream about attacks against turkey or our government. They should know that russia is far more vulnerable than in turkey.

the most laughable part is, that russia did not sanction the nuclear power deal or their planned pipeline. We think about ending those projects ourself and i support this.

16:07 26.11.2015
Russia's Economic Development Minister stated that the Turkish Stream gas pipeline project falls under the restrictive measures against Turkey...
The restrictions against Ankara may also include the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant...

Considering the fact that large parts of the russian people live under extreme poverty it might be good to do a reality check and get used to that idea.

as well as international isolation, its pretty clear who is stupid and who not.

Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Mustafa wrote:We dont need russia but  prefer good relations. If russia wants conflict with us, so be it.

Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.

You don't need the biggest gas supplier in the world. Ok cool story kardas. Next on Israël has no support in the Sunni world either. They don't care. Syria as a Nation dead? You want to bet that Russia makes Turkey Die faster? They only need to arm the Kurds. Oh ang contrats, after invading Syria, you just invaded Iraq. Guess hiw yiu're going down? Fast.

flamming_python wrote:

Mustafa wrote:so does russia really want war with us and is not interested in calming down ? And no, we wontstand down if russia attacks turkmen people. this is very serious thing for us. And we wont back down.

If Russia is killing Turkmen people then provide proof.

All I see is that it's killing Islamists. And Turkey can call them the 'opposition', FSA, or now the new name - Turkmen. It's the same thing, just different labels. Al-Nusra, Al-Sham, all these terror groups, they get their supplies through this border region, they fight on the same side (it's all 'FSA'/rebel territory), etc...

That is plain and simple not true. Beside that our own research found out the oil trade is done from a russian citizen.

beside that we dont see how russia is against ISIS, so far russia does supportbthem and attacks enemies of isis.

Russia attacks all Islamists, it doesn't make the distinction between good terrorists and bad terrorists (well apart from Hezbollah, who are on its side).
Most of the Islamists bordering the SAA are not ISIS; and since Russian aviation is directly involved in supporting the SAA's ground offensives, it has kept most of its front-line strikes on the non-ISIS Islamists/rebels.

However when it comes to bombing infrastructure and targets of opportunity deep in enemy territory, Russia has targeted ISIS as much as anyone else. All those convoys of trucks destroyed and oil containers - they are all ISIS assets. Russia has been hitting them hard.

and to those who dream about attacks against turkey or our government. They should know that russia is far more vulnerable than in turkey.

Vulnerable to what exactly?

In any case, I don't wish for war, or to support each other's terrorists - and it is completely unnecessary. Russia should give an adequate response for the killing of its pilot, without killing anyone else - that's all I want. If it means ruining relations with Turkey - well I think it's inevitable. Maybe, the next Turkish government will be wiser and will work to make amends to the family of the deceased.

the most laughable part is, that russia did not sanction the nuclear power deal or their planned pipeline. We think about ending those projects ourself and i support this.

Russia made it perfectly clear that it will stop all co-operation on these projects pretty soon after the incident, albeit I'm not sure if anything was formalized. It may be that Turkey will be the one to formally cancel them; so that Erdogan can save face in front of his people and business community by now claiming that it was his idea to shut down these projects. I dunno. Either way, the effect is the same.

http://sputniknews.com/world/20151126/1030796887/turkish-stream-russia.html

16:07 26.11.2015
Russia's Economic Development Minister stated that the Turkish Stream gas pipeline project falls under the restrictive measures against Turkey...
The restrictions against Ankara may also include the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant...

Considering the fact that large parts of the russian people live under extreme poverty it might be good to do a reality check and get used to that idea.

If so many Russian people live in poverty then where do all the Russian tourists to Turkey come from, and where do they get the money for it?

as well as international isolation, its pretty clear who is stupid and who not.

Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.

Mustafa wrote:
Kurds are not even 13% of our population.

Mustafa wrote:
The turkmens will never, ever accept any government under Assad and most likely not even be part of a new "syrian" state.

Kadmos45 wrote:

Mustafa wrote:
Kurds are not even 13% of our population.

That's gigantic number actually. Our entire muslim population (Tatars,Turks,Arabs,Kurds and whatnot) is between 0.01% and 0.02%. No that's not a typo. and we don't have any guerilla uprising here .

Mustafa wrote:
The turkmens will never, ever accept any government under Assad and most likely not even be part of a new "syrian" state.

You still don't get it. There will be no "turkmens" in Syria after the dust settles.

Mustafa wrote:

Kadmos45 wrote:

Mustafa wrote:
Kurds are not even 13% of our population.

That's gigantic number actually. Our entire muslim population (Tatars,Turks,Arabs,Kurds and whatnot) is between 0.01% and 0.02%. No that's not a typo. and we don't have any guerilla uprising here .

Mustafa wrote:
The turkmens will never, ever accept any government under Assad and most likely not even be part of a new "syrian" state.

You still don't get it. There will be no "turkmens" in Syria after the dust settles.

I agree, because we take the land and make it part of our own. Crimea style. But i must admit, your nazi ideology and imaginary genocide on 250.000 people amuses me. Russia couldn´t hold Ukraine but plans to hold syria. Pretty laughable when you think about it.

But thats just one point. No sunni will keep living under a kafir president any longer.

Mustafa wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Mustafa wrote:We dont need russia but  prefer good relations. If russia wants conflict with us, so be it.

Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.

You don't need the biggest gas supplier in the world. Ok cool story kardas. Next on Israël has no support in the Sunni world either. They don't care. Syria as a Nation dead? You want to bet that Russia makes Turkey Die faster? They only need to arm the Kurds. Oh ang contrats, after invading Syria, you just invaded Iraq. Guess hiw yiu're going down? Fast.

Kurds are not even 13% of our population. Russia needs to arm kurds? Would be a shame if we arm turkic people in russia and caucasus region, wouldn´t it? Don´t play the terrorist card comrade. Russia is a fragile entity and believe me you don´t want go down that road.

And yes, we don´t need russia as gas supplier. We can switch to other suppliers.

As i said its up to you. I believe stable and friendly relations between turkey and russia are in russias interest as well.

George1 wrote:and turkishcypriots were 18% of population in cyprus. And now less. So what would u say to apply a bi-communal bi-zonal federation to Turkey to settle the Kurdish problem? would u agree?