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    Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Mustafa on Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:52 pm

    You know i don´t know why russia say something like this, insults our president, his family and our entire nation. Just because one airplane.

    Russia has not shown any prove for all of this.

    So what do tehy try to achieve with this insults against our nation?

    And how do tehy think they can bring our nations back on the table again for negotiations? The last days were really bad in that regard and i don´t know what to think about all of this.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:08 pm

    Mustafa wrote:You know i don´t know why russia say something like this, insults our president, his family and our entire nation. Just because one airplane.

    Russia has not shown any prove for all of this.

    So what do tehy try to achieve with this insults against our nation?

    And how do tehy think they can bring our nations back on the table again for negotiations? The last days were really bad in that regard and i don´t know what to think about all of this.

    Nation? You government is your Nation?

    The problem with Turkey is that it tries to make it look like Russia, however like Russia it doesn't understand that there's no smoking gun needed. One only need to watch the North Aleppo issue unfold.

    Since Russia has started to bomb convoys for Azzaz and Latakia there's a real downturn happening for the "Rebels". This means clearly that Rebels, get their loot from ...

    Turkey. In the other side there's also a problem when it comes to how ISIS is reacting. They see Nusra getting weaker and they attack them and get their territory. Which also shows that the pie for the Jihadis in Norther Syria is getting smaller, not bigger.

    So clearly, this means that Turkey, no matter HOW hard it tries to reject accusaitons, is the gate for weapons, supplies and everything else to the rebels. That GEography 101.

    Now please stay gone while Russia sorts out the "Turkmen/Rebel" problem.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Mustafa on Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:20 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:You know i don´t know why russia say something like this, insults our president, his family and our entire nation. Just because one airplane.

    Russia has not shown any prove for all of this.

    So what do tehy try to achieve with this insults against our nation?

    And how do tehy think they can bring our nations back on the table again for negotiations? The last days were really bad in that regard and i don´t know what to think about all of this.

    Nation? You government is your Nation?

    The  problem with Turkey is that it tries to make it look like Russia, however like Russia it doesn't understand that there's no smoking gun needed. One only need to watch the North Aleppo issue unfold.

    Since Russia has started to bomb convoys for Azzaz and Latakia there's a real downturn happening for the "Rebels". This means clearly that Rebels, get their loot from ...

    Turkey. In the other side there's also a problem when it comes to how ISIS is reacting. They see Nusra getting weaker and they attack them and get their territory. Which also shows that the pie for the Jihadis in Norther Syria is getting smaller, not bigger.

    So clearly, this means that Turkey, no matter HOW hard it tries to reject accusaitons, is the gate for weapons, supplies and everything else to the rebels. That GEography 101.

    Now please stay gone while Russia sorts out the "Turkmen/Rebel" problem.

    of course my government is my nation. It represents us. leads us.

    so does russia really want war with us and is not interested in calming down ? And no, we wontstand down if russia attacks turkmen people. this is very serious thing for us. And we wont back down.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:25 am

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:53 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Guys, guys,

    I am surprised that you have filled so many pages discussing this kind of stuff with this user troll Mustafa Oguzhanoz Mustafa.

    Considering that Turkey is a very primitive form of an Orwellian society, this user can only be an agent of those same foreign entities that are in immediate charge of that society; otherwise, he would have already been arrested for even posting the material he has posted here. Look at those Turkish journalists arrested after I first posted this passage.

    What would then be the point of having a conversation with him. This is his day job; he is a Tom Parsons.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:22 am

    You know i don´t know why russia say something like this,

    What don't you understand?

    ISIL/ISIS needs money to do what they do and they get it by selling oil and products from the regions they control.

    whether your president is a card carrying member of ISIS or just turns a blind eye to the oil and other things passing through Turkey to the world market and the flow of material back through turkey to ISIS it doesn't matter.

    Just the same as Putin could say that the US supports illegal drug production and distribution by ignoring drug production and transport in Afghanistan when the US was in partial control of that country.

    By not lifting a finger to stop the drug trade they were basically allowing their enemies a good income and the reason they did nothing was because the drugs went to europe and not the US so they didn't care.

    For Turkey it was cheap oil stolen from Syria and Iraq.

    Either way it is support for groups turkey and the US call enemies.

    Put it this way... Erdogan is acting like a Russian border guard receiving bribes and letting chechens bring lots of weapons and explosives into Russia and hiding them in hospitals or schools... he is not a chechen or part of their terrorist group but he is helping them for greed and/or ignorance... if he got shot or his children went to the school that is attacked some might see this as natural justice.

    Of course Putin wont invade Turkey... he will just (and has) ordered attacks on truck drivers carrying contraband between Turkey and Syria on the Syrian side of the border...

    You can complain about that all you like, but Turkey is currently helping the terrorists so I doubt Putin will listen to your interests.

    Want to cross that border and teach them a lesson and I suggest you rethink that... last time there was no S-400s operating there.


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:35 am


    Mustafa the ERdogan public relations troll. have come to this forum the defend the honor
    of a criminal . Problems will be solved only when Russia drops a cruise missile and wipe the
    entire Erdogan family and its top government leaders. That arrogant Erdopig dictator
    believe all the middle east is his property and can invade at will Syria or Iraq and do as he
    please. Russia released satellite images that shows Oil trucks moving from ISIS territories
    in the many thousands towards Turkey ,into a company the belong to Erdogan terrorist son.

    EVen the Americans are now saying oil trucks is being smuggled into Turkey.. but they claim
    that Erdogan was not aware of it.. lol1 and kerry last words indirectly confirms Russia
    discovery of Turkey financing of ISIS.. by saying that Erdogan needs to close its borders.


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Mustafa on Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:27 am

    That is plain and simple not true. Beside that our own research found out the oil trade is done from a russian citizen.

    beside that we dont see how russia is against ISIS, so far russia does supportbthem and attacks enemies of isis.

    and to those who dream about attacks against turkey or our government. They should know that russia is far more vulnerable than in turkey.

    the most laughable part is, that russia did not sanction the nuclear power deal or their planned pipeline. We think about ending those projects ourself and i support this.

    why should we do such massive business deal with a country that is hostile with our nation?

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Mustafa on Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:52 am

    Siempre_Leal wrote:

    the problem in this forum is the total inability to understand that another nations interest might not be the same as russian interests. Considering the fact that large parts of the russian people live under extreme poverty it might be good to do a reality check and get used to that idea.

    Russia doesnt have the international power to keep Assad in power. Evry single neighbor is against assad and will never accept an alawite as president of an 80% sunni nation. Its that simple.

    considering our own economic boom and russias economic downfall as well as international isolation, its pretty clear who is stupid and who not.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:35 am

    Mustafa wrote:
    Siempre_Leal wrote:

    the problem in this forum is the total inability to understand that another nations interest might not be the same as russian interests. Considering the fact that large parts of the russian people live under extreme poverty it might be good to do a reality check and get used to that idea.

    Russia doesnt have the international power to keep Assad in power. Evry single neighbor is against assad and will never accept an alawite as president of an 80% sunni nation. Its that simple.

    considering our own economic boom and russias economic downfall as well as international isolation, its pretty clear who is stupid and who not.

    I dont see Iran and Iraq having problem with Assad. Palestine either, Israel atm seems quite neutral on the matter, Jordan does not care whatsoever...basically its only Turkey and Saudi Arabia crying 24/7 for Assad to go.

    So wait...80% suni country and still what... over 75% of remaining Syrian population remaining lives on Assad controlled territory, not ISIS and FSA controlled areas i wonder why, must be those great changes they enforced.

    Turkish economy boom? You know that Angola is one of the biggest growing economies in the world? Ethiopia too... Have you been lately to Western Europe? Saw the jobs Turks do? Have you been outside Istambul ever? Saw villages in Turkey? Sorry man but someone from Turkey saying how "someone there" lives in poverty...woah...just woah. Also Russia has economical issues for what... 1 year? Wasnt whole world having such issues last 5-6 years?

    And seriously fix your english it hurts my eyes. Cant you afford fkn schools in Turkey or what.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:43 am

    For fuck sake close this thread ban this troll. That some grown up men engage here with this obvious troll without having a single Braincell used to see that this is a fucking obvious troll is beyond my understanding.

    GarryB you know he is a fucking troll, trolls are against forum rules ban him already. Patient or not there are limits to what you have to tolerate and trolls are not part of what you have to tolerate nor anyone else here. He is not a member of this forum whatsoever.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:54 am

    Mustafa wrote:That is plain and simple not true. Beside that our own research found out the oil trade is done from a russian citizen.

    beside that we dont see how russia is against ISIS, so far russia does supportbthem and attacks enemies of isis.

    and to those who dream about attacks against turkey or our government. They should know that russia is far more vulnerable than in turkey.

    the most laughable part is, that russia did not sanction the nuclear power deal or their planned pipeline. We think about ending those projects ourself and i support this.

    why should we do such massive business deal with a country that is hostile with our nation?

    They're all suspended and the pipes for the Turkish Stream are dead weight. http://www.euractiv.com/sections/energy/russia-shelves-turkish-stream-pipeline-project-320092

    They've put a halt to a 2bln USd project, done and gone.


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Mustafa on Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:03 am

    We dont need russia but would prefer good relations. If russia wants conflict with us, so be it.

    Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

    syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:36 am

    Mustafa wrote:We dont need russia but prefer good relations. If russia wants conflict with us, so be it.

    Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

    syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.


    You don't need the biggest gas supplier in the world. Ok cool story kardas. Next on Israël has no support in the Sunni world either. They don't care. Syria as a Nation dead? You want to bet that Russia makes Turkey Die faster? They only need to arm the Kurds. Oh ang contrats, after invading Syria, you just invaded Iraq. Guess hiw yiu're going down? Fast.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:43 am

    Mustafa wrote:You know i don´t know why russia say something like this, insults our president, his family and our entire nation. Just because one airplane.

    Russia has not shown any prove for all of this.

    So what do tehy try to achieve with this insults against our nation?

    And how do tehy think they can bring our nations back on the table again for negotiations? The last days were really bad in that regard and i don´t know what to think about all of this.

    Turkey committed an act of war against Russia, and now Russia is attempting to internationally discredit Turkey's government. It is also cutting off economic ties with Turkey.
    Russia didn't do this immediately, it only did it after Ankara refused to apologize for the incident.

    What, would you rather Russia have shot down a Turkish jet in response? In my mind, it's a far better response than war or simple revenge. And a response is necessary and inevitable, I'm sure you can understand that.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:09 pm

    Mustafa wrote:so does russia really want war with us and is not interested in calming down ? And no, we wontstand down if russia attacks turkmen people. this is very serious thing for us. And we wont back down.

    If Russia is killing Turkmen people then provide proof.

    All I see is that it's killing Islamists. And Turkey can call them the 'opposition', FSA, or now the new name - Turkmen. It's the same thing, just different labels. Al-Nusra, Al-Sham, all these terror groups, they get their supplies through this border region, they fight on the same side (it's all 'FSA'/rebel territory), etc...

    That is plain and simple not true. Beside that our own research found out the oil trade is done from a russian citizen.

    beside that we dont see how russia is against ISIS, so far russia does supportbthem and attacks enemies of isis.

    Russia attacks all Islamists, it doesn't make the distinction between good terrorists and bad terrorists (well apart from Hezbollah, who are on its side).
    Most of the Islamists bordering the SAA are not ISIS; and since Russian aviation is directly involved in supporting the SAA's ground offensives, it has kept most of its front-line strikes on the non-ISIS Islamists/rebels.

    However when it comes to bombing infrastructure and targets of opportunity deep in enemy territory, Russia has targeted ISIS as much as anyone else. All those convoys of trucks destroyed and oil containers - they are all ISIS assets. Russia has been hitting them hard.

    and to those who dream about attacks against turkey or our government. They should know that russia is far more vulnerable than in turkey.

    Vulnerable to what exactly?

    In any case, I don't wish for war, or to support each other's terrorists - and it is completely unnecessary. Russia should give an adequate response for the killing of its pilot, without killing anyone else - that's all I want. If it means ruining relations with Turkey - well I think it's inevitable. Maybe, the next Turkish government will be wiser and will work to make amends to the family of the deceased.

    the most laughable part is, that russia did not sanction the nuclear power deal or their planned pipeline. We think about ending those projects ourself and i support this.

    Russia made it perfectly clear that it will stop all co-operation on these projects pretty soon after the incident, albeit I'm not sure if anything was formalized. It may be that Turkey will be the one to formally cancel them; so that Erdogan can save face in front of his people and business community by now claiming that it was his idea to shut down these projects. I dunno. Either way, the effect is the same.

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20151126/1030796887/turkish-stream-russia.html
    16:07 26.11.2015
    Russia's Economic Development Minister stated that the Turkish Stream gas pipeline project falls under the restrictive measures against Turkey...
    The restrictions against Ankara may also include the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant...

    Considering the fact that large parts of the russian people live under extreme poverty it might be good to do a reality check and get used to that idea.

    If so many Russian people live in poverty then where do all the Russian tourists to Turkey come from, and where do they get the money for it?

    as well as international isolation, its pretty clear who is stupid and who not.



    Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

    syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Mustafa on Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:51 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:We dont need russia but  prefer good relations. If russia wants conflict with us, so be it.

    Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

    syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.


    You don't need the biggest gas supplier in the world. Ok cool story kardas. Next on Israël has no support in the Sunni world either. They don't care. Syria as a Nation dead? You want to bet that Russia makes Turkey Die faster? They only need to arm the Kurds. Oh ang contrats, after invading Syria, you just invaded Iraq. Guess hiw yiu're going down? Fast.

    Kurds are not even 13% of our population. Russia needs to arm kurds? Would be a shame if we arm turkic people in russia and caucasus region, wouldn´t it? Don´t play the terrorist card comrade. Russia is a fragile entity and believe me you don´t want go down that road.

    And yes, we don´t need russia as gas supplier. We can switch to other suppliers.

    As i said its up to you. I believe stable and friendly relations between turkey and russia are in russias interest as well.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:57 pm

    Mustafa wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:We dont need russia but  prefer good relations. If russia wants conflict with us, so be it.

    Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

    syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.


    You don't need the biggest gas supplier in the world. Ok cool story kardas. Next on Israël has no support in the Sunni world either. They don't care. Syria as a Nation dead? You want to bet that Russia makes Turkey Die faster? They only need to arm the Kurds. Oh ang contrats, after invading Syria, you just invaded Iraq. Guess hiw yiu're going down? Fast.

    Kurds are not even 13% of our population. Russia needs to arm kurds? Would be a shame if we arm turkic people in russia and caucasus region, wouldn´t it? Don´t play the terrorist card comrade. Russia is a fragile entity and believe me you don´t want go down that road.

    And yes, we don´t need russia as gas supplier. We can switch to other suppliers.

    As i said its up to you. I believe stable and friendly relations between turkey and russia are in russias interest as well.

    and turkishcypriots were 18% of population in cyprus. And now less. So what would u say to apply a bi-communal bi-zonal federation to Turkey to settle the Kurdish problem? would u agree?


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Mustafa on Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:00 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:so does russia really want war with us and is not interested in calming down ? And no, we wontstand down if russia attacks turkmen people. this is very serious thing for us. And we wont back down.

    If Russia is killing Turkmen people then provide proof.

    All I see is that it's killing Islamists. And Turkey can call them the 'opposition', FSA, or now the new name - Turkmen. It's the same thing, just different labels. Al-Nusra, Al-Sham, all these terror groups, they get their supplies through this border region, they fight on the same side (it's all 'FSA'/rebel territory), etc...

    That is plain and simple not true. Beside that our own research found out the oil trade is done from a russian citizen.

    beside that we dont see how russia is against ISIS, so far russia does supportbthem and attacks enemies of isis.

    Russia attacks all Islamists, it doesn't make the distinction between good terrorists and bad terrorists (well apart from Hezbollah, who are on its side).
    Most of the Islamists bordering the SAA are not ISIS; and since Russian aviation is directly involved in supporting the SAA's ground offensives, it has kept most of its front-line strikes on the non-ISIS Islamists/rebels.

    However when it comes to bombing infrastructure and targets of opportunity deep in enemy territory, Russia has targeted ISIS as much as anyone else. All those convoys of trucks destroyed and oil containers - they are all ISIS assets. Russia has been hitting them hard.

    and to those who dream about attacks against turkey or our government. They should know that russia is far more vulnerable than in turkey.

    Vulnerable to what exactly?

    In any case, I don't wish for war, or to support each other's terrorists - and it is completely unnecessary. Russia should give an adequate response for the killing of its pilot, without killing anyone else - that's all I want. If it means ruining relations with Turkey - well I think it's inevitable. Maybe, the next Turkish government will be wiser and will work to make amends to the family of the deceased.

    the most laughable part is, that russia did not sanction the nuclear power deal or their planned pipeline. We think about ending those projects ourself and i support this.

    Russia made it perfectly clear that it will stop all co-operation on these projects pretty soon after the incident, albeit I'm not sure if anything was formalized. It may be that Turkey will be the one to formally cancel them; so that Erdogan can save face in front of his people and business community by now claiming that it was his idea to shut down these projects. I dunno. Either way, the effect is the same.

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20151126/1030796887/turkish-stream-russia.html
    16:07 26.11.2015
    Russia's Economic Development Minister stated that the Turkish Stream gas pipeline project falls under the restrictive measures against Turkey...
    The restrictions against Ankara may also include the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant...

    Considering the fact that large parts of the russian people live under extreme poverty it might be good to do a reality check and get used to that idea.

    If so many Russian people live in poverty then where do all the Russian tourists to Turkey come from, and where do they get the money for it?

    as well as international isolation, its pretty clear who is stupid and who not.



    Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

    syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.

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    The problem is, you don´t know reality. This is not Russia vs Erdogan (AKP). This is russia against Turkey. No matter how much Putin tried to spin it, people always stand for their nation. So no matter who next turkish government is, nobody won´t be a traiter and deal with an enemy (russia).

    As for russian tourists, they were poor. Thats the main problem why most caterers didn´t want them. Russians don´t bring profit. They book all inclusive, never leave the hotel and spend no money. Many hotels didn´t even want russians as tourists plain and simple because they have little market value / cross selling.

    Its also funny how you call turkmen people "terrorists" by their ethnicity.

    I give you a reality check. The turkmens will never, ever accept any government under Assad and most likely not even be part of a new "syrian" state.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Kadmos45 on Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:52 pm

    Mustafa wrote:
    Kurds are not even 13% of our population.

    That's gigantic number actually. Our entire muslim population (Tatars,Turks,Arabs,Kurds and whatnot) is between 0.01% and 0.02%. No that's not a typo. and we don't have any guerilla uprising here .

    Mustafa wrote:
    The turkmens will never, ever accept any government under Assad and most likely not even be part of a new "syrian" state.

    You still don't get it. There will be no "turkmens" in Syria after the dust settles.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Mustafa on Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:07 pm

    Kadmos45 wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:
    Kurds are not even 13% of our population.

    That's gigantic number actually. Our entire muslim population (Tatars,Turks,Arabs,Kurds and whatnot) is between 0.01% and 0.02%. No that's not a typo. and we don't have any guerilla uprising here .

    Mustafa wrote:
    The turkmens will never, ever accept any government under Assad and most likely not even be part of a new "syrian" state.

    You still don't get it. There will be no "turkmens" in Syria after the dust settles.

    I agree, because we take the land and make it part of our own. Crimea style. But i must admit, your nazi ideology and imaginary genocide on 250.000 people amuses me. Russia couldn´t hold Ukraine but plans to hold syria. Pretty laughable when you think about it.

    But thats just one point. No sunni will keep living under a kafir president any longer.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  par far on Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:19 pm

    Mustafa wrote:
    Kadmos45 wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:
    Kurds are not even 13% of our population.

    That's gigantic number actually. Our entire muslim population (Tatars,Turks,Arabs,Kurds and whatnot) is between 0.01% and 0.02%. No that's not a typo. and we don't have any guerilla uprising here .

    Mustafa wrote:
    The turkmens will never, ever accept any government under Assad and most likely not even be part of a new "syrian" state.

    You still don't get it. There will be no "turkmens" in Syria after the dust settles.

    I agree, because we take the land and make it part of our own. Crimea style. But i must admit, your nazi ideology and imaginary genocide on 250.000 people amuses me. Russia couldn´t hold Ukraine but plans to hold syria. Pretty laughable when you think about it.

    But thats just one point. No sunni will keep living under a kafir president any longer.


    I told myself that I was not going to answer to a troll like but I just have to. On Crimea, Russia paid Ukraine to use it as a warm water port but after the Ukraine was destabilized, the NATO assholes were going to build bases there, a direct threat to Russia's security and the most important thing is Crimea was always Russian(most of population was Russian, spoke Russian). It is the Turks through out history that have committed genocide not Russians. Russia never wanted to hold onto Ukraine, it wanted Ukraine to be a neutral country(now the Zionists have destroyed Ukraine and it will slowly fall apart), Russia is already holding onto Syria, the foreign backed terrorists are being killed and Assad position has become strong.

    "No sunni will keep living under a kafir president any longer", this is a big lie and you son of a bitch know it, the president you asshole call "kafir" helped the Palestinians(mostly sunnis and Assad is Shia Alawite) ) by giving them houses, water, food, and an escape from Israel(this was why Syria was attacked) and all religions lived in peace under Assad. Turkey, Saudia Arbia, Jordan are all sunni countries but they have not said a world about the crimes committed by Israel on Palestinians(mostly sunnis), Syria and Iran are the two countries that say anything about that, with Syria taking in  Palestinians. Turkey, Saudia Arbia, Jordan are just terrorists countries that follow orders from the Zionists and now Turkey is going to be the biggest losers when the Kurds take half of Turkey and that idiot Erdogan is responsible for everything.

    You are just an asshole prompting west lies, sunni's have lived under Assad and they have lived under Assad and thrived under Assad. And there sunnis that are fighting for Assad. You are just an asshole and you country Turkey is going to be the biggest loser, when the dust settles.


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  par far on Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:20 pm

    Mustafa wrote:
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    Mustafa wrote:We dont need russia but  prefer good relations. If russia wants conflict with us, so be it.

    Assad has no support in the sunni world. Its that easy. No sunni will ever live under this idiot. The rebellion is openly escalating and there plain and simply is no way back.

    syria as a nation is dead. Its time to accept this. Wonder how russians imagine all this will work. Do they think we all off a sudden lose our face and start dealing with Assad? I would like to know this idea they have about this.


    You don't need the biggest gas supplier in the world. Ok cool story kardas. Next on Israël has no support in the Sunni world either. They don't care. Syria as a Nation dead? You want to bet that Russia makes Turkey Die faster? They only need to arm the Kurds. Oh ang contrats, after invading Syria, you just invaded Iraq. Guess hiw yiu're going down? Fast.

    Kurds are not even 13% of our population. Russia needs to arm kurds? Would be a shame if we arm turkic people in russia and caucasus region, wouldn´t it? Don´t play the terrorist card comrade. Russia is a fragile entity and believe me you don´t want go down that road.

    And yes, we don´t need russia as gas supplier. We can switch to other suppliers.

    As i said its up to you. I believe stable and friendly relations between turkey and russia are in russias interest as well.


    Kurds are 19.1% of you population and they will only grow.

    http://pasewan.com/blog/2015/politics-of-demography-worldwide-total-kurdish-populations-approaching-41-million-in-2015/




    You already do, you idiot.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:27 pm

    George1 wrote:and turkishcypriots were 18% of population in cyprus. And now less. So what would u say to apply a bi-communal bi-zonal federation to Turkey to settle the Kurdish problem? would u agree?

    Actually that something I've been saying everywhere. Turkey and not Cyprus needs a bizonal or trizonal federation system. The progressive  West, islamist parts and Kurdish region. If this does not happen, the Yugoslavia scenario is very likely, given the birthrates of the Kurdish population.

    PS. If one account mixed-marriages and mixed- origins in Turkey, proper turkic/turkoman-origin Turks are < 40%.

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