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    KoTeMoRe
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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:22 pm

    Circassians are a complex bunch, but their Ottoman leanings, their sunni faith, their allegiance to Turkey after the Russian conquered the Caucasus, speaks clearly about their side in this war.

    Regarding the Persian war, it was less a case of imperialism, than a comprehensive step to have more logical, safer border. If they wanted more land, they would have kept fighting past 1826, the Persian Empire was going down anyway. In lieu of that, the Russians accepted less ground, but more safety.

    Tatars were made to move on, and this in a very normal fashion, they lost their privileges, lost their protector, and so they also got massacred. I shed no tear for them, no one should shed tears for human traffickers and pirates, never mind the fact they destroyed largely the Hellenistic heritage of Crimea.

    Persians were Team B in this, they tried and almost succeeded to get a huge part of the Caucasus, unfortunately, the Armenians wee having none of that shit and offered a much needed local support to Russians. Ironically those who had the more to gain from the Russians, Georgians, decided to stand against them.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:50 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Circassians are a complex bunch, but their Ottoman leanings, their sunni faith, their allegiance to Turkey after the Russian conquered the Caucasus, speaks clearly about their side in this war.

    Regarding the Persian war, it was less a case of imperialism, than a comprehensive step to have more logical, safer border. If they wanted more land, they would have kept fighting past 1826, the Persian Empire was going down anyway. In lieu of that, the Russians accepted less ground, but more safety.

    Tatars were made to move on, and this in a very normal fashion, they lost their privileges, lost their protector, and so they also got massacred. I shed no tear for them, no one should shed tears for human traffickers and pirates, never mind the fact they destroyed largely the Hellenistic heritage of Crimea.

    Persians were Team B in this, they tried and almost succeeded to get a huge part of the Caucasus, unfortunately, the Armenians wee having none of that shit and offered a much needed local support to Russians. Ironically those who had the more to gain from the Russians, Georgians, decided to stand against them.

    First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Persians weren't threatening Russia. As you already said, they were in decline. Russia just robbed them when they were down.
    Secondly, they did rule a large part of the Caucasus, during the Safavid era I believe (Shi'ia Turkic tribal dynasty, something like that, from the South Azerbaijan or north-eastern Iraq area). There was a lot of cultural mixing with Georgians and other developed Caucasus peoples.
    Thirdly, no idea what happened to the Crimean Tatars, so point conceded.
    Fourthly; Circassians being sponsored by the Ottomans was not much different from the Greeks or Romanians being helped by the Russians. It doesn't make them Turkic.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:42 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Persians weren't threatening Russia. As you already said, they were in decline. Russia just robbed them when they were down.

    They were, the Persian Empire gone bust because they were severed from their Ottoman "ally". Not because they were somehow in more peril than the Ottoman Empire itself. They attacked Erevan, it's not like they were pushovers. Plus the best asset of the Persians wasn't their army but their French then UK diplomacy. The British trained and advised them late in the first war then partook in the second war as "advisors".




    Secondly, they did rule a large part of the Caucasus, during the Safavid era I believe (Shi'ia Turkic tribal dynasty, something like that, from the South Azerbaijan or north-eastern Iraq area). There was a lot of cultural mixing with Georgians and other developed Caucasus peoples.

    Of course they did, because they proded on both belligerents, both Ottomans and Russia. And they did it with skill. First they pledged alliance with the Sublime Porte, then when the Crimean Conquest was almost over, they moved some troops to try and block the Russians in order to retain the Ottoman lands.

    Thirdly, no idea what happened to the Crimean Tatars, so point conceded.
    In Asia they call that Karma.


    Fourthly; Circassians being sponsored by the Ottomans was not much different from the Greeks or Romanians being helped by the Russians. It doesn't make them Turkic.

    Totally different. I'm yet to see Greeks and Romanians serving in the Russian Army well after the efforts to liberate them. If anything, Nationalism in Europe killed reconnaissance. Greeks, I can understand since the British pushed hard to get them slaughtered and make Russia look like unsensible to their pleas. But Romanians?
    I never said they were Turkic, although after the "Hijra" a good chunk of "Anatolian Circassians" became ironically more Turkish than Turks themselves. The closest example in Russia's favour was Armenia. Time and again the Armenian have shown their bitter and stubborn loyalty to a Russia that has, sometimes, failed to consider them properly, but has never let them down.


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:43 pm





    Apparently in what i like to call Constantinople Smile

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:18 pm

    You should look at some areas in Konya. It's like Raqqah, but without the bombs.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:13 am

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    Mounting evidence" suggests that "Turkey is playing not a very clean game" with regard to Daesh, Iraqi MP Mowaffak al-Rubaie asserted, accusing Ankara of smuggling oil stolen from Iraqi and Syrian oilfields, as well providing medical treatment to Daesh fighters.

    Turkey has been recently embroiled in a number of scandals, with its dubious ties with the brutal group taking center stage.

    Turkey's illegal oil business is a major area of concern. Ankara is "smuggling Iraqi oil and Syrian oil through the borders and selling it on the black market in Turkey," al-Rubaie, who served as national security adviser, told RT.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151222/1032127353/turkey-isis-oil-smuggling-business.html#ixzz3v2Us8gXk


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:21 pm

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/12055920/Putin-suggest-Turkey-wants-to-lick-the-Americans-in-a-certain-place.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3364153/Putin-accuses-Turkey-licking-Americans-one-place-insists-forces-targeting-ISIS-Syria.html

    Vladimir Putin suggests Turkey wants to 'lick the Americans in a certain place'

    http://vn.sputniknews.com/world/20151217/974441.html

    "Anh hỏi, có thể ở đấy có một bên thứ ba nào đó? Tôi hiểu ý anh. Chúng tôi không biết về điều đó. Nhưng nếu một người nào đó trong giới lãnh đạo Thổ Nhĩ Kỳ quyết định liếm người Mỹ vào chỗ đó, tôi không biết, họ làm như vậy là đúng hay không, "

    Bold paragraph: "but if amongst Turkish leaders there is a person who want to lick the American at a certain place..."

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  short_fuze on Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:37 pm

    The prime suspect in the terrorist attack on the Russian A321 disappeared immediately afterwards and headed to Turkey. The Russian authorities say 5 other accomplicies are being sought.

    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/mikle1.livejournal.com/5971011.html

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:54 am

    The Turkish military aren't just ISIS supporters, apparently they're necrophiliacs too....pictures of dead Kurdish women being stripped naked.


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  short_fuze on Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:18 pm

    Turkish BPP selfies with supply truck at Cilvegozu crossing, north of Idlib, west of Aleppo. This avoids the Azaz encirclement.

    https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/701786031088136192


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  short_fuze on Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:21 pm

    Turkish and ISIS flags flying together at some takfiri camp.


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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  Bolt on Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:31 pm

    https://twitter.com/Vzor_Post/status/701788730785456128

    Don't know how to embed twitter's video to this forum, so just a link - the video shows a Turkish ambulance that is in fact transporting IBC container inside, that is being filled with petrol on a gas station.

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    Re: Turkey and ISIS support

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:10 am

    Epic journalist What a Face What a Face

    https://www.rt.com/news/335031-turkish-journalist-sentenced-erdogan/

    In a continuation of its crackdown on freedom of expression, Turkey has sentenced the former editor of the left-leaning Birgun newspaper to 21 months in prison for “insulting” President Erdogan while submitting a plea in an ongoing case.

    The journalist, Bans Ince, continued to write for the paper, while the previous case dating back to 2013 still hung over his head. In late December of that year, a report by the paper had accused President Recep Tayyip Erdogan – then prime minister – of corruption, something his Justice and Development Party (AKP) claimed was akin to a planned coup, Hurriyet daily reports.

    Ince had allegedly insulted both Erdogan and his son Bilal with the report. Ince had entered a plea in his defense, but was too clever with words for his own good: the letters at the start of each paragraph, when put together, spelled out “thief.”

    Nobody in power needed three guesses to know Ince was talking about Erdogan. Ince claimed complete coincidence, but added that it could have been “an act of God.” This did not spare him from the 21-month prison term.

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