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    Submarine Warfare: U.S. vs Russia

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    Rowdyhorse4

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    Re: Submarine Warfare: U.S. vs Russia

    Post  Rowdyhorse4 on Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:40 percent kill probability

    AMRAAMS with 40 percent what? As far as i know the C-7 Versions have a 95% Probability of Hit value without ECM interference and Fighter Agility and Maneuvers taken into account?

    GarryB wrote:New fighters with 20kW output AESA radars

    Russians don't have an Aircraft that comes factory mass produced with AESA yet though? Even the Su-35s still comes with the IBRIS PESAs from the factory? (I know some have been Retrofitted with the Byelka on the field)

    GarryB wrote:as the MiG-29B export models they have seen before

    But the one they got their hands on was the MiG 29S (Project 9.13s) with some samples of R-77s? which was quite formidable at that time....
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    Re: Submarine Warfare: U.S. vs Russia

    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:04 pm

    AMRAAMS with 40 percent what? As far as i know the C-7 Versions have a 95% Probability of Hit value without ECM interference and Fighter Agility and Maneuvers taken into account?

    No. US would tell just about their successfull shot not the one that missed. According to some Serbian member, serb pilots manage to evade 10 shoot of amramm easily with mig-29 that were just piece of metal without any electronics good enough to use it.

    Russians don't have an Aircraft that comes factory mass produced with AESA yet though? Even the Su-35s still comes with the IBRIS PESAs from the factory? (I know some have been Retrofitted with the Byelka on the field)

    They have ground based and sea based jamming equipement that can just jam all the X band that missiles use to guide themselves so that no one would found anything in the air. Moreover they have jaming pods that are very good at jaming missiles. Raw power is good but if you don't have the proccessing units with it it's not enough. Mig-25 radar by the way have 400 kilowatt output (compare to 20 KW of Irbis). If you use it as the antenna of a jaming system... That would burn anything at 100km.

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    Re: Submarine Warfare: U.S. vs Russia

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:28 pm

    AMRAAMS with 40 percent what? As far as i know the C-7 Versions have a 95% Probability of Hit value without ECM interference and Fighter Agility and Maneuvers taken into account?

    Not interested in marketing information or sales info... just actual combat results... which is about 40% or worse against targets not aware they were under attack most of the time and without the electronic equipment to defend themselves.

    Russians don't have an Aircraft that comes factory mass produced with AESA yet though? Even the Su-35s still comes with the IBRIS PESAs from the factory? (I know some have been Retrofitted with the Byelka on the field)

    BARS already manages 20kWs of power, and the MiG-35 and PAK FA will have AESA radars as standard... likely resulting in the Su-35 getting the same pretty quickly.

    But the one they got their hands on was the MiG 29S (Project 9.13s) with some samples of R-77s? which was quite formidable at that time....

    the ones they actually trained against were old model MiG-29Bs of the former East German Air Force.

    AFAIK they have not even trained against R-27E model missiles because the first model MiGs couldn't fire them.

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    Re: Submarine Warfare: U.S. vs Russia

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:52 pm

    The United States scared of Russian "killers of submarines"
    https://vz.ru/news/2018/8/1/935204.print.html

    IMO, they can be used against SSG/BNs & a few of them can gang up even on a CVN. The USN will need to establish its own submarine bastions in the Gulf of Alaska & the Canadian Arctic- Baffin/Hudson Bay & Davis Stait!
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    The United States scared of Russian "killers of submarines"

    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:03 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The United States scared of Russian "killers of submarines"
    https://vz.ru/news/2018/8/1/935204.print.html

    IMO, they can be used against SSG/BNs & a few of them can gang up even on a CVN. The USN will need to establish its own submarine bastions in the Gulf of Alaska & the Canadian Arctic- Baffin/Hudson Bay & Davis Stait!

    This is a brilliant concept. And since the US does not have such a program (no it does not), it shows that Russia
    is not "second rate" or other masturbatory NATO propaganda BS.

    It is vastly cheaper to have a dozens or hundreds of such robotic kamikaze submarines than to dispatch manned
    subs to engage in naval dog fights.

    1) They can be made to tolerate vastly higher hull pressures by simply allowing water to occupy any voids.
    This allows them to attack NATO submarines from below like sharks attack seals on the surface. NATO subs
    will not know what hit them.

    2) They can be made vastly quieter than any of the current manned submarines. It is not all about screw noise.
    Large submarines have all sorts of hull vibration modes that can can be detected. Small submarines have much
    less energy dissipated on hull vibrations.

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    Re: Submarine Warfare: U.S. vs Russia

    Post  Hole on Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:37 pm

    This baby:



    Range should be no problem with this thing:



    Small nuclear reactor. Can be installed on the seafloor. The UUV can plug in and recharge its batteries.

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    Re: Submarine Warfare: U.S. vs Russia

    Post  mnztr on Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:52 pm

    If the Russians can perfect underwater IFF then their boomers can operate in an area where there are a bunch of these on patrol to attack any non Russian sub. They can attack, decoy, shield..so may options.
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    Re: Submarine Warfare: U.S. vs Russia

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:19 am

    Hole wrote:Small nuclear reactor. Can be installed on the seafloor. The UUV can plug in and recharge its batteries.

    Hmm... in practise, any form of subsea connections using ROVs (remote operated vehicles) is always a delicate operation, and is always controlled by a human operator at a remote console. I've worked in the subsea construction industry (oil & gas subsea developments) and AFAIK, no-one has ever developed autonomous ROVs that can independently locate a subsea structure, orient itself to a mating point and achieve a positive wet-mated (electrical) connection.

    It's feasible I expect, but so far no-one has developed the technology. One main issue is that ROV mating forces are such that connection interfaces can be damaged by impact/shock loads or mis-alignments, particularly electrical wet-mated connectors where pins can be damaged rendering the connection unusable. Its tricky enough in conditions of poor visibility or strong currents, even with a human operator with a light touch borne from decades of experience, let alone trying to do it with via a robot using AI and working on low quality video cameras feeds.
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    Re: Submarine Warfare: U.S. vs Russia

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:53 am

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