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    Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:58 am

    Lets open a thread for Russian underwater drones here


    Some news on a mini-drone:

    http://vpk.name/news/134685_marlin__350_v_rossii_takogo_eshe_ne_byilo.html

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:00 am

    It was in other threads bus this one is specially for sub drones, int3eresting are data provided below - no moving parts so MHD drive? and autonomy 180 days...



    In Russia, created an underwater robot with a function EW

    Combined Instrument Making Corporation (DIC, is a Rostec) has created an underwater robotic vehicle (PRA) "Glider-T" with the functions of electronic warfare (EW) and orientation at depth without the help of GLONASS, told RIA Novosti, the representative of the corporation.

    "The unit will be able to determine the type of passing ships on the sound solve problems EW simulate decoys obstruct the sonars and other sonar devices of the enemy," - said the international military-technical forum "Army-2015", which was represented by the novelty .

    As explained by the representative of the defense industry, "Glayler-T" can be operated in standalone mode up to 180 days, both individually and as a group, a route without human intervention. "Our know-how - a technology that allows" glider "to focus on the depth without the GLONASS signals are not available, as is well known, under the water," - he explained.

    A complete set of specific functions and the necessary equipment on board is installed on the machine by the customer: it is a different instrumentation, sensors, and sensors. "He can patrol certain waters, implement sampling of water and determine the level of contamination, take photographs of objects transmit information to computer equipment via GSM-modem, radio or satellite communication", - he added.

    "Glider" was developed by the Moscow Design Bureau "Compass" and constructed of heavy-duty and relatively lightweight material, resistant to sea water and oil. It is equipped with an innovative engine, which allows the machine to move seamlessly to modern means of detection.

    Technical Reference

    "Glider-T" is designed for various research tasks at any time of the year m waters without ice in all weather conditions. The unit with the equipment for different purposes able to navigate through the program, and perform using modern materials and technologies.

    The body of the underwater robot is made of heavy-duty and relatively lightweight material, resistant to sea water and oil. The original drive is based on the motor and mechanical actuator has no external mechanical moving parts, which provides a high stealth detection by means of radio and sonar.

    The device can move in the water and change direction commands for which transmission can be performed in several ways. "Glider-T" can be used independently, or as part of a group of similar devices that solve the same or different tasks depending on the goals.

    The device is capable of operating up to a depth of 100 m and moving at speeds up to 0.25 m / s with a payload up to 3 liters. With dimensions 1,5h1,5h0,3 m and a diameter of 200 mm autonomous body of the apparatus reaches 180 days. The movement of the apparatus along the route is carried out using an inertial control system, which automatically pops up and clarify his whereabouts.

    http://rus-molot.com/rusarm/v-rossii-sozdan-podvodnyj-robot-s-funkciej-reb.html




    and here from Bastion Karpenko - now tell me which one is the right one Smile
    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/glider-t/



    Both from company COmpass Smile

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:58 am

    The original drive is based on the motor and mechanical actuator has no external mechanical moving parts, which provides a high stealth detection by means of radio and sonar.

    No external moving parts just means no propeller... likely a water jet propulsion...


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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:59 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The original drive is based on the motor and mechanical actuator has no external mechanical moving parts, which provides a high stealth detection by means of radio and sonar.

    No external moving parts just means no propeller... likely a water jet propulsion...

    You have to embellish to make it sell Laughing

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:33 pm

    Kursk scientists have begun testing unmanned underwater robot scout

    http://tass.ru/nauka/2078840

    KURSK, June 29. /Corr. TASS Vladimir Shumakov/. Scientists at southwest state University (SWSU, Kursk) has begun testing unmanned underwater robot scout, who can take on the work of divers emergencies Ministry and the army said on Monday, TASS head of robotics laboratory at swsu, Ph. D. Andrew Yatsun.


    Kursk scientists will begin mass production of unmanned underwater robots-scouts
    "Go full-scale tests. Collected management system, created the whole structure, " said Yatsun. - Tested in the pool. We can say that the speed of 4 m/s, this is a very good indicator."
    According to the scientist, the cost of the prototype is about 1 million rubles, which is 5-6 times lower than the cost of foreign analogues. The apparatus can be made even cheaper if you start producing it commercially. With our local scientists are ready to begin serial production in the autumn, upon completion of all tests.
    The robot length of about 1.5 meters and a weight of 40 kg will be able to travel underwater at speeds up to 4 m/s and for 4 hours to carry out exploration at depths up to 30 meters with the camera, sensors for environmental monitoring, magnetic field and other equipment. He is able to deliver under water small loads. All this can happen without human intervention, thanks to the sensors of the depth and location of obstacles. The main task is the execution of the work of divers MOE and the Ministry of defense, as well as underwater work, for example, in the diagnosis of dams, or when monitoring of cooling ponds of nuclear power plants.
    Complete robot may vary based on the specific needs of the customer. "We create media. Do body, all electronics, control system, camera - all basic "filling". If the customer wants to put some kind of radar, we additionally put. Depending on specific tasks," said Yatsun.

    Pocket drone for scouts and backpackers have developed a robotics Ural
    Scientist noted that the Russian analogues of small Autonomous underwater robots-scouts with similar characteristics on the market now. There are a number of universities and companies that produce underwater vehicles of large dimensions, including in Moscow, Vladivostok and St. Petersburg. Development of the Kursk University will take its place due to the low price and the best technical characteristics, I am sure Yatsun.
    Research laboratory of robotics at SWSU, including the rapid prototyping center FABLAB, was opened by the grant of Russian science Foundation, which won the University. Funding amounted to about 20 million rubles. Among the projects on which scientists work - exoskeletons consumer, medical, industrial and military applications, wheeled robotic explorers and the establishment of the domestic counterparts of actuators for robotics.





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    The original drive is based on the motor and mechanical actuator has no external mechanical moving parts, which provides a high stealth detection by means of radio and sonar.

    No external moving parts just means no propeller... likely a water jet propulsion...

    correct me if i am wrong pls but water jet has propeller but still there are are moving parts inside hull so MHD is only option if journo knew what he was describing but my educated guess is that you are correct Smile

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:46 pm

    The Navy in St. Petersburg for the first time will present new underwater drone

    From 1 to 5 July 2015 in St. Petersburg will host the International Maritime Defense Show. The event will be presented to autonomous underwater vehicle "concept" designed for search-finding work at a depth of one thousand meters.


    MOSCOW, June 29 - RIA Novosti. The Navy Russia will present for the first time at the International Maritime Defense Show in St Petersburg autonomous underwater vehicle "concept", designed to work at a depth of thousands of meters, said on Monday the spokesperson of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation by Navy Captain 1st Rank Igor Dygalo.

    International Maritime Defence Show will be held from 1 to 5 July 2015 in St. Petersburg.

    "For the first time at the International Maritime Defense Show will be presented to autonomous underwater vehicle" concept "designed for search-finding work at a depth of one thousand meters," - said Dygalo.

    He added that the guests and participants of the exhibition can also see the modular boat search and rescue support project 23370 and the latest rescue devices "Marlin 350".

    At the salon will be presented and modern means for the work of divers at a given depth - diving gear SVU-pressure chamber 5 and BCD-1000 BCD-1600 BCD-120.

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150629/1102048676.html




    Strangely enough info about Concept can be found in news of 2014 Smile
    http://www.tetis-pro.ru/news/5905/










    So new are not that fresh  Razz  Razz  Razz

    The specialists of "Tethys COP" and "Tethys Pro" tested a new Autonomous vehicle Concept-M" in Gelendzhik

    In June 2014, experts Of Tetis COP" and JSC Tetis Pro" together with the Federal state unitary enterprise "OKB FROM the wounds tested a newly developed Autonomous underwater vehicle "Concept-M". The tests were conducted on the Black sea near the city of Gelendzhik.

    During the test ANPA "Concept-M" audited the work of individual units multibeam echosounder and health systems of the ANP as a whole.

    As a result ANPA "Concept-M" successfully tested, multibeam sonar confirmed its specifications, which was recorded in the respective minutes.

    In the autumn it is planned to hold extensive testing of an Autonomous vehicle "Concept-M", which will be tested at depth, testing of navigation systems and organization mission.

    Reference:

    ANPA "Concept-M" developed by experts Group of companies "Tethys" together with the engineers Experimental Design Bureau of Oceanological Engineering of the Ministry of industry and trade of the Russian Federation.

    An Autonomous underwater vehicle (AUV) "Concept-M" is designed for a wide range of search and inspection tasks. "Concept-M is a modular system that allows you to change the composition and equipment of the apparatus in accordance with the requirements of operations.

    Appointment

    The search operation;
    A survey of sunken, potentially dangerous objects;
    Inspection and testing of hydraulic structures, pipelines, cables;
    Geodetic survey of the bottom topography;
    Geological exploration;
    Mapping the terrain;
    Monitoring of the aquatic environment;
    A study of the bottom relief;
    Photo and video bottom.
    Features and benefits

    High speed inspection (up to 4 nodes);
    Large area survey (80 sqm);
    A wide range of depths (from 10 to 1000 m);
    Positioning accuracy (±3M);

    The accuracy of retaining their place in the area of deployment (± 3M);
    The ability to perform a wide range of search and inspection tasks;
    A fast configuration of the device, the ability to change modules in the field;
    The ability to work in a mode of remote-controlled apparatus using a fiber-optic cable-a cable;
    System underwater remote control.

    Package contents

    The propulsion module;
    The power module;
    Module control and communication;
    Module hydroacoustic communication;
    Multibeam sonar;
    The sonar module of the circular review;
    Module underwater television equipment.



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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:06 am

    You have to embellish to make it sell

    Nahh... I think they just didn't want to say screw... which is the technical term for a ships propeller.

    correct me if i am wrong pls but water jet has propeller but still there are are moving parts inside hull so MHD is only option if journo knew what he was describing but my educated guess is that you are correct

    You are correct... if it said no moving parts inside or outside the drone then it would have to be something like MHD, but it does not say that. It says there are no moving parts outside the drone but it does not say there are no moving parts inside it.

    BTW nice interesting thread.... Smile


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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:27 am

    GarryB wrote:

    correct me if i am wrong pls but water jet has propeller but still there are are moving parts inside hull so MHD is only option if journo knew what he was describing but my educated guess is that you are correct

    You are correct... if it said no moving parts inside or outside the drone then it would have to be something like MHD, but it does not say that. It says there are no moving parts outside the drone but it does not say there are no moving parts inside it.


    Well marketing Surprised)
    BTW MHD - is very silent question -energy source if solved then voila silent sub drones...


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    BTW nice interesting thread.... Smile

    Thx but I am only a humble contributor not founder of this threat Smile

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:51 am

    BTW MHD - is very silent question -energy source if solved then voila silent sub drones...

    electric motor and a battery achieves the same result without the need to develop a whole new technology...

    Thx but I am only a humble contributor not founder of this threat

    Sorry that comment not directed at anyone in particular... just a thought that popped into my head when reading the thread again... Embarassed but you have certainly made some worthy contributions to make it so. Very Happy


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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:39 pm

    Tech Goes Fishy: Robots to Guard Russian Maritime Borders


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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:46 am


    ''Russia to Mass Produce Concept-M Autonomous Research Submersibles''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150812/1025653689.html

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:50 am

    and Tetys saga continued:

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150812/1179280659.html


    The prototype underwater vehicle "Marlin-1000" will create in 2016

    MOSCOW, August 12 - RIA Novosti. The prototype of the first Russian long-distance underwater device "Marlin-1000" with a diving depth of up to one kilometer will be established in early 2016, said in an interview with RIA Novosti CEO of the company "Tethys Pro" Alex Kayfajyan.

    Currently, search and rescue services of the Navy Russia used British line remote-controlled underwater vehicles "Tiger", capable of diving to 300, 600 and 1000 meters.

    "Now is conducted development work on the development, prototyping and testing apparatus" Marlin-1000 ". The planned completion date development work, ie the creation of a prototype and associated documentation, is the first quarter of 2016," - said Kayfajyan .

    He added that in 2016 and planned for the state tests, which resulted in the unit will be recommended for adoption in the supply of the Navy.

    This year, another remote-controlled underwater vehicle "Tethys" - "Marlin 350", capable of diving to a depth of 350 meters, completed a program of deep tests and was recommended to be adopted on the supply of the Navy.

    The group of companies "Tethys" unites the leading Russian developers, manufacturers and suppliers of underwater search and rescue, fire-fighting equipment and equipment, life support systems for the aviation, aerospace, technology, emergency medicine.


    "Tethys Pro" - one of the leading group of companies. Main activities: development and manufacture of underwater technology, supply a full range of diving equipment and a modern high-tech equipment to perform underwater work in a wide range of depths of their own and foreign production.

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:54 am

    and here




    "Tethys Pro" developed a project for the use of drone submarines

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150812/1179304299.html


    MOSCOW, August 12 - RIA Novosti. "About Tethys" project developed the use of autonomous underwater vehicles on submarines, he said in an interview with RIA Novosti General Director Alexei Kayfajyan.

    Earlier, Commander of the Navy reported that the technical requirements of the Navy to promising surface ships and submarines of the new generation appears integration of air and underwater drones.

    "Throughout the world, there is a model of using autonomous underwater vehicle for intelligence purposes ... If we talk about operating time" Tethys ", we conducted work on integration autonomous underwater vehicle of the technical means of the submarine" - said Kayfajyan.


    He said that means "Tethys" is not enough for a full study of the issue, since this work must be involved as military research institutes and submarine designers.

    The group of companies "Tethys" unites the leading Russian developers, manufacturers and suppliers of underwater search and rescue, fire-fighting equipment and equipment, life support systems for the aviation, aerospace, technology, emergency medicine.

    "Tethys Pro" - one of the leading group of companies, founded in 1991. Main activities: development and manufacture of underwater technology, supply a full range of diving equipment and a modern high-tech equipment to perform underwater work in a wide range of depths of their own and foreign production.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:03 am

    Russian Navy to Get Five Advanced Unmanned Underwater Vehicles by 2016


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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:33 pm


    Honestly, regardless of the accuracy of the article, things are getting weird... Suspect

    US Fears Russia Building Drone Sub That Can Blow Up American Coastal Cities''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150908/1026746357.html

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  kvs on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:44 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Honestly, regardless of the accuracy of the article, things are getting weird... Suspect

    US Fears Russia Building Drone Sub That Can Blow Up American Coastal Cities''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150908/1026746357.html

    Cheap hysteria-generating propaganda. As if Russia's maneuverable warheads can be intercepted by any ABM the use has deployed.
    We are back to the 1950s and soon poor, dear US children will be hiding under desks.

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:42 am

    Made me think... what is a torpedo if not a short range drone... build a drone sub with 8 tubes of 633mm torpedos and perhaps a three layer loading system and a small nuclear propulsion system to enable the sub to go round the world several times... no people on board so no pressurisation needed so send it to operate at 4,000m plus depth somewhere until it gets a signal to attack... then have it go around the US and launch a torpedo armed with a 10 megaton warhead to travel 100km to each port or coastal city in the US... you could even have vertical launch systems for hundreds of cruise missiles to attack populated regions further in land...

    In a less nuclear oriented fashion I just realised the Russians have developed the ADS rifle firing standard 5.45mm rounds and also specialised under water rounds. perhaps a light machine gun with dual feed with underwater ammo in one belt and normal ammo in the other belt feed for engaging targets above and below the water line... would be interesting.


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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:32 am

    GarryB wrote:Made me think... what is a torpedo if not a short range drone... build a drone sub with 8 tubes of 633mm torpedos and perhaps a three layer loading system and a small nuclear propulsion system to enable the sub to go round the world several times... no people on board so no pressurisation needed so send it to operate at 4,000m plus depth somewhere until it gets a signal to attack... then have it go around the US and launch a torpedo armed with a 10 megaton warhead to travel 100km to each port or coastal city in the US... you could even have vertical launch systems for hundreds of cruise missiles to attack populated regions further in land...

    That´s actually not SF anymore...Looks like an old Sakharov´s dream about artificial tsunamis on US shores comes true.


    http://rg.ru/2015/09/09/robot-site-anons.html

    Russian underwater robot will get a nuclear warhead

    Russia produces unmanned submarine with powerful nuclear warheads to destroy the bases of the US strategic submarines and other important facilities on the coast, says Washington Times, citing sources in the Pentagon. The US military development codenamed Kanyon.
    See also

    According to the US military, it will shock the submarine without crew, armed with a thermonuclear warhead capacity "in the tens of megatons," the ability to quickly and discreetly travel long distances.

    - The United States is very closely monitoring the efforts of the Russian nuclear modernization. However, these works are not particularly worried, are still under the Treaty on Measures for the Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms, - the former head of the US Strategic Command, Robert Koehler.

    The publication notes that the development of underwater drones are actively conducted in the United States. Pentagon attaches particular importance to this research.

    Recall that in late August, the US military experts have expressed concern about the appearance at the Russian submarine with a great fighting potential but uncertain destiny. It's about "Moscow", nuclear submarines withdrawn from shops shipyard "Star" after the upgrade.

    During the reconstruction of the strategic submarine turned into a base for a mini-submarine. The submarine received a compartment filled with equipment for underwater operations and docking port on the bottom.

    "For what purpose was created Whatever the submarine, it could become what American observers are not even able to imagine" - says military analyst David Ex.

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:49 am

    http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-746.html


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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:00 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-746.html


    O w mordę !

    But here is some US sense of humor:

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-building-nuclear-armed-drone-submarine/

    “The Kanyon represents another example of Russia’s aggressive and innovative approach to the development of military capabilities against U.S. and Western interests,” said Jack Caravelli, a former CIA analyst who specialized in Soviet and Russian affairs.


    “The possible yield of the warhead, in the megaton class, clearly is an attempt to inflict catastrophic damage against U.S. or European naval facilities or coastal cities,” he added. “Nations vote with their resources, and the Kanyon, along with an expanding number of other military modernization programs, indicates the priority Vladimir Putin places on military preparedness against the West.”

    lol! lol! lol!

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  Rmf on Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:34 pm

    does russia have this kind of semi-submersible stealth boats?
    http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/unmasking-the-columbia-rivers-mysterious-stealth-boats-1583093889

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:16 am

    The central and south american drug cartels have them... why wouldn't the Russian military? Smile


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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:13 pm

    kvs wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Honestly, regardless of the accuracy of the article, things are getting weird... Suspect

    US Fears Russia Building Drone Sub That Can Blow Up American Coastal Cities''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150908/1026746357.html

    Cheap hysteria-generating propaganda.   As if Russia's maneuverable warheads can be intercepted by any ABM the use has deployed.
    We are back to the 1950s and soon poor, dear US children will be hiding under desks.


    From all the weapons Russia have.. i really think this one is one of the most scary ones..
    Cruise missiles/ballistic with nuclear warheads or not.. have the problem is that they can only be used when the submarine or bomber is near US coast. This drones are like mobile mines..that you can stealthy deploy in US coast ,they are difficult to detect in the immense ocean..airforce cannot detect it.. Warships /Submarines needs to be close to detect it and it will be hard to intercept it ..if the unmanned drone notice warships near or submarines and turn off..  

    So effectively this unmanned drones are really promising deterrence weapon.
    - They are unmanned so you can take much more risk and get closer to any NATO coast.
    -Could be armed with a several megatons warhead from 1megaton to 10megaton..
    this is even more power of one Bulava or Trident 2 missile.  
    -They can be launched from submarines /or any plane or any fishing boat ,with internal inner guidance could reach the proximity of any NATO submarine base and just withing 5km-10km of it , deposit in the button of the sea and even dig under the sand..to hide..and become effectively a nuclear mine very close to the entry of any US military base..
    -They are very cheap to make.. should not cost not a lot more than the price of a modern cruise missile.
    -And if Used in enough quantities.. lets say 50 of them.. could be deployed a long US Eastern
    Coast and provoke an artificial psunami. with the intention to significantly destroy US cities with
    flood of water but without provoking the casualties numbers of a direct nuclear attack.

    Because NewYork ,florida and southern US states are near sea level many zones ,they are
    very vulnerable to floods..  Just like Katrina demonstrated.  SO nuclear mines that are mobile could be used to provoke a major indirect  destruction through giant waves of US cities. similar to Japan psunami .the intention here is to cause as much as possible economic damages in infrastructure in most important cities ,through floods , To pressure American government to surrender because of the damages.

    This is very lethal.. because Russia could easily use the drones as nuclear mines ,and deposit
    lets say 50 to 100 of them along US coast for weeks or months undetected and ready to explode,if they feel a war will come soon.. and when the time comes.. just boom. shutdown all US east Coast and its submarine bases. You cant do that with cruise missile or ICBM.. as soon Russia send 50 planes or many submarines near US coast ,you will lose the surprise advantage and the planes risk being intercepted by US airforce and shut down if they see an attack.  The chaos that hundreds of Psumamis will create will definitively weaken the will of pentagon to fight until the end ..specially if they aware they provoked Russia into a fight. and will negotiate for peace. Naturally this kind of attack ,will only happen if Russia attacked first.. lets say NATO shut down the plane of President Putin.. or sink a Russian warship.. etc..or for example that US start smugling thousands of ISIS mercenaries into Russia kaliningrad..and hundreds civilian killed. . The revolution that will come later in US cities will be
    even more lethal ,that the nuclear bombs..a nation wide riots people angry with the government for provoking Russia into a war and a major civil war will start to overthrow the US government.
    The talks about overthrowing US government is already happening.. any major mistake could be the last one.

    with enough underwater drones.. all positioned in the right place..armed with big nukes ,Russia can shutdown all US naval bases an any warships in the port withing a couple of minutes.  THis is what i call a real deterrence weapon. it could also sink or disable all US Carriers and all US navy in seconds too. a 10 megaton nuclear bomb will destroy all electronics and radars of any NATO navy in the zone.

    Cheap ,very powerful and very easy to sneak close to any enemy positions. Really Russia needs
    to push in this direction.. This could force Americans to negotiate a new arms treaty and remove all US nuclear weapons from Europe.

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:03 am

    kvs wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Honestly, regardless of the accuracy of the article, things are getting weird... Suspect

    US Fears Russia Building Drone Sub That Can Blow Up American Coastal Cities''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150908/1026746357.html

    Cheap hysteria-generating propaganda. As if Russia's maneuverable warheads can be intercepted by any ABM the use has deployed.
    We are back to the 1950s and soon poor, dear US children will be hiding under desks.

    US is developing prompt global strike - so relying on ICBMs is also risky, enough number can be disabled before launching retaliatory strike combined with ABMs can make Russia's response in area of "acceptable damage". Then we get to 3 WW.

    Besides maintenance costs of hundreds of applied missiles. No this subs is kinda equivalent of nuked cruise missiles in Germany, Poland or Latvia. And yes when US kids will spend more time under tables maybe they learn to value peace more then today when US seems to be safe-heaven .




    Vann7 wrote: From all the weapons Russia have.. i really think this one is one of the most scary ones.. Cruise missiles/ballistic with nuclear warheads or not.. have the problem is that they can only be used when the submarine or bomber is near US coast. This drones are like mobile mines..that you can stealthy deploy in US coast ,they are difficult to detect in the immense ocean..airforce cannot detect it.. Warships /Submarines needs to be close to detect it and it will be hard to intercept it ..if the unmanned drone notice warships near or submarines and turn off..  


    Maybe not cheap but relatively cheap Wink Nevertheless the idea is from 60´s AFAIK the first one was Sakharov who proposed making artificial tsunamis with H bombs. and yes this is formidable idea as deterrence weapon - US most important of metropolises are along the coastlines. For UK is even worse. So close to their borders they can feel hot breath of the Bear in case some hotshots would decide on open aggression towards Russia.

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    Re: Underwater Drones of the Russian Navy

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:04 am

    GarryB wrote:The central and south american drug cartels have them... why wouldn't the Russian military?  Smile

    But they are from Russia Razz

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