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And here is the Ukrainian corvette Vladimir the Great (Project 58150) at the Nikolaev shipyard, which was completely closed in 2021. The construction of the corvette stopped after the Maidan. Such is the flawed state of the "big fleet" in Ukraine.
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GarryB wrote:Kh-35 is often ignored in the west as just being a copy of Harpoon and therefore not very interesting, but I do remember reading an article written by the makers of the weapon about elaborate attempts by the Americans to get access to the missile.
It seems it uses a MMW radar which is very effective but not something that is easy to jam or confuse or deal with that uses a low energy short range signal that creates an excellent view of the target and allows identification of the target an can select a vulnerable area of the target to hit.
I rather suspect the Orcs don't have that level of performance... but then I seem to remember Vietnam were making an export version of these missiles for themselves so it is not impossible.
As mentioned all the problems of replacing Ukrainian parts has been a pain in the Ass for Russia but at least Russia had a paying customer so it was worth creating those parts in Russia to replace them... for the Ukraine there would be a lot more parts that need to replace and they could only get funding for that with hard orders... which is a bit of a circular problem...
Vietnam is an organized country and not a rotten husk like Banderastan. It is more than just economic links to Russia. No activity in Banderastan
can be done without rampant corruption. It is bloody ironic how we have NATzO backed clowns like Navalny (of Ukr background, BTW) pushing the
line that Russia is corrupt while at the same time NATzO pretends that Ukraine is less corrupt and is going in the right direction (to Hell?) and pads
its GDP statistics and credit rating.
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Russian_Patriot_ wrote:And here is the Ukrainian corvette Vladimir the Great (Project 58150) at the Nikolaev shipyard, which was completely closed in 2021. The construction of the corvette stopped after the Maidan. Such is the flawed state of the "big fleet" in Ukraine. ...
What corvette are you talking about here, my guy?
All I see are bunch of wood stoves welded together
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Wonder what they paid with?
The RRS James Clark Ross has been sold to the Ukrainian National Antarctic Scientific Centre.
The vessel will be replaced by the RSS David Attenborough, one of the most advanced polar research vessels in the world.
This is the second time that a UK research asset has transferred to Ukrainian research colleagues – the first being the transfer in 1996 of the former Faraday station that is now known as Vernadsky.
In a news release, the British Antarctic Survey say:
“For the past three decades the JCR has fulfilled her role as a world-leading research platform for biological, oceanographic and geophysical research. She contains some of Britain’s most advanced facilities for oceanographic research in both Antarctica and the Arctic. Built by Swan Hunter Shipbuilders in Wallsend, UK, and launched by HM the Queen in 1990 the RRS James Clark Ross was part of the first international, multi-vessel survey to estimate the biomass of krill in the Atlantic sector of the Southern Ocean – a figure still used today in krill management models.
The ship is also a platform for deploying ambitious sediment coring technologies in previously unstudied locations, pushing coring technologies to its limits. Ground-breaking work in the Arctic provided insights into the scale and impacts of climate change in one of the most rapidly changing environments on the planet. The ice-capable ship is a new asset for Ukraine and opens up new research opportunities for its National Antarctic Scientific Centre, in particular research into oceans and climate change in the polar regions. The purchase of the ship comes ahead of the COP26 Conference in November, where representatives from every signatory party for the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) come together to discuss climate change action.”
Director of British Antarctic Survey Professor Dame Jane Francis FRS said,
“The RRS James Clark Ross is much admired by all who have sailed in her. She has enabled scientists from the UK and overseas to make discoveries that help make sense of our changing world. We will miss her greatly, but I am delighted that our research colleagues will use her to carry out important scientific investigations. We wish them well.”
Director of the National Antarctic Center of Ukraine Dr. Evgen Dykyi said:
“For Ukraine, the purchase of the RRS James Clark Ross opens a world of opportunities. For the last 20 years, Ukraine hasn’t had a vessel for Antarctic research, significantly impeding our work there. For us, the icebreaker “James Clark Ross” has a symbolic value as well, as it brought the first Ukrainian mission to the former British station “Faraday” (at present “Vernadsky”)” in 1996. With this vessel, Ukraine has ambition on large-scale research in the Southern Ocean and possibly starting surveys in the Arctic in time.”
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/research-vessel-james-clark-ross-sold-to-ukraine/
The RRS James Clark Ross has been sold to the Ukrainian National Antarctic Scientific Centre.
The vessel will be replaced by the RSS David Attenborough, one of the most advanced polar research vessels in the world.
This is the second time that a UK research asset has transferred to Ukrainian research colleagues – the first being the transfer in 1996 of the former Faraday station that is now known as Vernadsky.
In a news release, the British Antarctic Survey say:
“For the past three decades the JCR has fulfilled her role as a world-leading research platform for biological, oceanographic and geophysical research. She contains some of Britain’s most advanced facilities for oceanographic research in both Antarctica and the Arctic. Built by Swan Hunter Shipbuilders in Wallsend, UK, and launched by HM the Queen in 1990 the RRS James Clark Ross was part of the first international, multi-vessel survey to estimate the biomass of krill in the Atlantic sector of the Southern Ocean – a figure still used today in krill management models.
The ship is also a platform for deploying ambitious sediment coring technologies in previously unstudied locations, pushing coring technologies to its limits. Ground-breaking work in the Arctic provided insights into the scale and impacts of climate change in one of the most rapidly changing environments on the planet. The ice-capable ship is a new asset for Ukraine and opens up new research opportunities for its National Antarctic Scientific Centre, in particular research into oceans and climate change in the polar regions. The purchase of the ship comes ahead of the COP26 Conference in November, where representatives from every signatory party for the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) come together to discuss climate change action.”
Director of British Antarctic Survey Professor Dame Jane Francis FRS said,
“The RRS James Clark Ross is much admired by all who have sailed in her. She has enabled scientists from the UK and overseas to make discoveries that help make sense of our changing world. We will miss her greatly, but I am delighted that our research colleagues will use her to carry out important scientific investigations. We wish them well.”
Director of the National Antarctic Center of Ukraine Dr. Evgen Dykyi said:
“For Ukraine, the purchase of the RRS James Clark Ross opens a world of opportunities. For the last 20 years, Ukraine hasn’t had a vessel for Antarctic research, significantly impeding our work there. For us, the icebreaker “James Clark Ross” has a symbolic value as well, as it brought the first Ukrainian mission to the former British station “Faraday” (at present “Vernadsky”)” in 1996. With this vessel, Ukraine has ambition on large-scale research in the Southern Ocean and possibly starting surveys in the Arctic in time.”
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/research-vessel-james-clark-ross-sold-to-ukraine/
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How British corvettes will affect the state of the Ukrainian fleet
I agree with this critical analysis. The BSF will need to play a balancing act, & soon!
I agree with this critical analysis. The BSF will need to play a balancing act, & soon!
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On the agreement on the assistance of Great Britain in the development of the naval forces of Ukraine
The Ukrainian information and consulting company Defense Express has published a feature article by its CEO Sergiy Zgurets titled “How the $2.3 billion British loan for the development of the Ukrainian Navy is divided: desires, risks and overpayments”, which contains some details regarding the implementation plans of the previously signed intergovernmental agreements between Ukraine and Great Britain on British assistance in the development of the naval forces of Ukraine.
We are talking about:
financing the implementation of the state investment project for the supply of two anti-mine ships, their delivery and maintenance;
joint construction of 8 missile boats;
supply and installation of weapons systems on existing ships;
consulting and technical support for the construction of naval infrastructure, including the supply of equipment;
joint construction of a frigate.
How exactly do they plan to divide the 1.7 billion pounds sterling that Ukraine plans to borrow for ten years?
According to Defense Express, the preliminary list is as follows:
250 million pounds are proposed to be allocated for the construction of two naval bases in Ukraine;
600 million pounds sterling - for the joint construction of 8 missile boats;
700 million pounds sterling - for the purchase of missile weapons;
£150 for all other projects, including consulting and technical support for the construction of naval infrastructure and boats.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4479468.html
The Ukrainian information and consulting company Defense Express has published a feature article by its CEO Sergiy Zgurets titled “How the $2.3 billion British loan for the development of the Ukrainian Navy is divided: desires, risks and overpayments”, which contains some details regarding the implementation plans of the previously signed intergovernmental agreements between Ukraine and Great Britain on British assistance in the development of the naval forces of Ukraine.
We are talking about:
financing the implementation of the state investment project for the supply of two anti-mine ships, their delivery and maintenance;
joint construction of 8 missile boats;
supply and installation of weapons systems on existing ships;
consulting and technical support for the construction of naval infrastructure, including the supply of equipment;
joint construction of a frigate.
How exactly do they plan to divide the 1.7 billion pounds sterling that Ukraine plans to borrow for ten years?
According to Defense Express, the preliminary list is as follows:
250 million pounds are proposed to be allocated for the construction of two naval bases in Ukraine;
600 million pounds sterling - for the joint construction of 8 missile boats;
700 million pounds sterling - for the purchase of missile weapons;
£150 for all other projects, including consulting and technical support for the construction of naval infrastructure and boats.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4479468.html
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So the UK will lend lots of money to broken economy Ukraine to buy UK naval products and services, and then expect them to pay interest and eventually pay them back.
Well I can see what is in it for the UK but how does the Ukraine benefit from this?
Well I can see what is in it for the UK but how does the Ukraine benefit from this?
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My question that has nothing to do with the text is; And what if Ukroshitstan is left without Nikolaev and Odessa, where will this ship sail ?
Turkish-built lead corvette Hetman Ivan Mazepa was launched for the Ukrainian Navy
bmpd; October 4th, 4:50 am
On October 2, 2022, in Turkey, at the RMK Marine shipyard in Tuzla (the southern outskirts of the Asian part of Istanbul), a ceremony was held to launch the lead corvette F 211 Hetman Ivan Mazepa of the Turkish type Ada (MILGEM), which is being built for the Ukrainian Navy. This is the first of two ships out of two ordered by Ukraine under a contract dated December 2020. The descent ceremony was attended by Turkish Defense Minister Husi Askar and the head of the Turkish Department of Defense Industry Ismail Demir, as well as the first lady of Ukraine Elena Zelenskaya, who acted as the godmother of the ship.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4592754.html
Turkish-built lead corvette Hetman Ivan Mazepa was launched for the Ukrainian Navy
bmpd; October 4th, 4:50 am
On October 2, 2022, in Turkey, at the RMK Marine shipyard in Tuzla (the southern outskirts of the Asian part of Istanbul), a ceremony was held to launch the lead corvette F 211 Hetman Ivan Mazepa of the Turkish type Ada (MILGEM), which is being built for the Ukrainian Navy. This is the first of two ships out of two ordered by Ukraine under a contract dated December 2020. The descent ceremony was attended by Turkish Defense Minister Husi Askar and the head of the Turkish Department of Defense Industry Ismail Demir, as well as the first lady of Ukraine Elena Zelenskaya, who acted as the godmother of the ship.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4592754.html
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Podlodka77 wrote:My question that has nothing to do with the text is; And what if Ukroshitstan is left without Nikolaev and Odessa, where will this ship sail ?
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Or will any of the expensive bought in parts (who will pay?) get fitted? Will it remain a floating hulk now it is out of the way in the shipyard?
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Podlodka77 wrote:My question that has nothing to do with the text is; And what if Ukroshitstan is left without Nikolaev and Odessa, where will this ship sail ?
Turkish-built lead corvette Hetman Ivan Mazepa was launched for the Ukrainian Navy
bmpd; October 4th, 4:50 am
On October 2, 2022, in Turkey, at the RMK Marine shipyard in Tuzla (the southern outskirts of the Asian part of Istanbul), a ceremony was held to launch the lead corvette F 211 Hetman Ivan Mazepa of the Turkish type Ada (MILGEM), which is being built for the Ukrainian Navy. This is the first of two ships out of two ordered by Ukraine under a contract dated December 2020. The descent ceremony was attended by Turkish Defense Minister Husi Askar and the head of the Turkish Department of Defense Industry Ismail Demir, as well as the first lady of Ukraine Elena Zelenskaya, who acted as the godmother of the ship.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4592754.html
Maybe from they will have a navy in exile based in Gdansk (Poland), or they will sell them to Romania
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Chronicle of the losses of the Ukrainian fleet in the Black Sea
From the beginning of the NMD, it was announced that the entire Ukrainian fleet was destroyed in 40 minutes, but even after that there were reports of the destruction of Ukrainian ships. In this article, we will try to figure out which ships of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were sunk and which remained in the Black Sea.
During the Crimean events of 2014, the Ukrainian fleet based in Sevastopol came under the control of Russia.
In Sevastopol, the following were blocked:
Sevastopol (Northern) Bay:
- Corvette "Ternopol" U209
- Control ship "Slavutich" U510
- Sea tug "Korets" U830
- Tug "Krasnoperekopsk" U947
Streletskaya Bay of Sevastopol:
- Submarine "Zaporozhye" U01
- Rocket boat "Priluky" U153
- Missile corvette "Pridneprovye" U155
- Corvette "Lutsk" U205
- Corvette "Khmelnitsky" U208
- Control ship "Donbass" U500
- Hydrographic boat "Skvira" U635
- Rescue tug vessel "Kremenets" U705
- Search and rescue vessel "Izyaslav" U706
- Transport "Dzhankoy" U754
- Transport "Sudak" U756
- Tanker "Bakhmach" U759
- Tanker "Fastov" U760
- Degaussing vessel "Balta" U811
- Vessel control of physical fields "Severodonetsk" U812
- Pilot ship "Shostka" U852
- Floating warehouse "Zolotonosha" U855
- Tugboat "Dubno" U953
- Garbage vessel U954
- Boat "Chigirin" U540
- Training boat "Smila" U541
- Training boat "Novaya Kakhovka" U542
- Firefighting boat "Borshchiv" U722
- Diving boat "Romny" U732
- Diving boat "Tokmak" U733
- Sanitary boat "Sokal" U782
- Passenger boat "Ilyichevsk" U783
- Floating crane "Kalanchak" U802
- Boat "Korosten" U853 - Boat U926
(SBU)
.Donuzlav):
- Corvette "Vinnitsa" U206
- Sea minesweeper "Chernihiv" U310
- Sea minesweeper "Cherkassy" U311
- Raid minesweeper "Genichesk" U360
- Medium landing ship "Kirovograd" U401
- Large landing ship "Konstantin Olshansky" U402
- Fire fighting boat "Evpatoria" U728
- Transport "Gorlovka" U753
- Sea tug "Kovel" U831
- Anti-sabotage boat "Feodosiya" U240
- Torpedo boat "Kherson" U891
- Tugboat "Novoozernoe" U942
According to Dmitry Timchuk, the following remained under the control of Ukraine:
Warships of the Ukrainian Navy:
- Frigate "Hetman Sagaydachny" - U130
- Artillery boat "Skadovsk" - U170
Auxiliary vessels of the Ukrainian Navy:
- RSK (reconnaissance ship) "Pereyaslav" - U512
- Diving vessel "Neteshyn" - U700
- Dry-cargo barge "Svatovo" - U763
Boats of the Ukrainian Navy:
- Boat AK-01 — U172
- Boat AK-02 — U173
- Anti-sabotage boat "Golaya Pristan" - U241
- Boat "Vladimir-Volynsky" - U721
- Boat "Southern" - U855
Ukraine was returned:
- Patrol boat "Priluki".
- KFOR "Yuri Olefirenko".
- Minelayer "Balta" ..
- Training boats "Chigirin", "Smela" and "Novaya Kakhovka".
- Diving ships "Pochaev" and "Kamenka".
- Sea transport "Gorlovka".
- Sanitary boat "Sokal".
- Pilot vessel "Shostka".
- Sea tug "Kovel".
- Vessel of control of physical fields "
- Marine water-filled tanker "Sudak".
A complete chronicle of the destruction of Ukrainian ships in the Black Sea:
- On February 26, the flagship of the Ukrainian fleet "Hetman Sahaidachny" was sunk.
- March 3 announced the drowning of the boat "Slavyansk".
- On March 22, the Netishin diving boat was sunk.
- On March 27, the Pereslavl ship was sunk.
- On May 7, the boat "Stanislav" was sunk.
- On May 8, the sinking of a corvette of project 1241 was announced.
- On May 11, a barge was sunk, blocking the Dnieper-Bug estuary.
- On June 6, a strike was made on the boat group.
- On June 10, the Vinnitsa corvette was sunk in Ochakovo.
- On July 7, an unknown number of landing craft were destroyed near Zmeiny Island.
- On July 24, a landing craft was destroyed in Odessa.
- On July 25, 2 landing craft were destroyed in the Dnieper Estuary.
- On August 26, a message appeared about the drowning of the minesweeper "Genichesk" and the control ship "Slavyansk".
- On August 31, the sinking of two self-propelled barges was announced.
Thus, if it is difficult to draw any conclusions about the boats, both because of their unknown number at the beginning of the NWO, and because of US supplies,
then of the large ships in Ukraine on the Black Sea, only the Yuriy Olefirenko SDK and the minelayer remained "Balta".
https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/209690-hronika-poter-ukrainskogo-flota-na-chernom-more.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
From the beginning of the NMD, it was announced that the entire Ukrainian fleet was destroyed in 40 minutes, but even after that there were reports of the destruction of Ukrainian ships. In this article, we will try to figure out which ships of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were sunk and which remained in the Black Sea.
During the Crimean events of 2014, the Ukrainian fleet based in Sevastopol came under the control of Russia.
In Sevastopol, the following were blocked:
Sevastopol (Northern) Bay:
- Corvette "Ternopol" U209
- Control ship "Slavutich" U510
- Sea tug "Korets" U830
- Tug "Krasnoperekopsk" U947
Streletskaya Bay of Sevastopol:
- Submarine "Zaporozhye" U01
- Rocket boat "Priluky" U153
- Missile corvette "Pridneprovye" U155
- Corvette "Lutsk" U205
- Corvette "Khmelnitsky" U208
- Control ship "Donbass" U500
- Hydrographic boat "Skvira" U635
- Rescue tug vessel "Kremenets" U705
- Search and rescue vessel "Izyaslav" U706
- Transport "Dzhankoy" U754
- Transport "Sudak" U756
- Tanker "Bakhmach" U759
- Tanker "Fastov" U760
- Degaussing vessel "Balta" U811
- Vessel control of physical fields "Severodonetsk" U812
- Pilot ship "Shostka" U852
- Floating warehouse "Zolotonosha" U855
- Tugboat "Dubno" U953
- Garbage vessel U954
- Boat "Chigirin" U540
- Training boat "Smila" U541
- Training boat "Novaya Kakhovka" U542
- Firefighting boat "Borshchiv" U722
- Diving boat "Romny" U732
- Diving boat "Tokmak" U733
- Sanitary boat "Sokal" U782
- Passenger boat "Ilyichevsk" U783
- Floating crane "Kalanchak" U802
- Boat "Korosten" U853 - Boat U926
(SBU)
.Donuzlav):
- Corvette "Vinnitsa" U206
- Sea minesweeper "Chernihiv" U310
- Sea minesweeper "Cherkassy" U311
- Raid minesweeper "Genichesk" U360
- Medium landing ship "Kirovograd" U401
- Large landing ship "Konstantin Olshansky" U402
- Fire fighting boat "Evpatoria" U728
- Transport "Gorlovka" U753
- Sea tug "Kovel" U831
- Anti-sabotage boat "Feodosiya" U240
- Torpedo boat "Kherson" U891
- Tugboat "Novoozernoe" U942
According to Dmitry Timchuk, the following remained under the control of Ukraine:
Warships of the Ukrainian Navy:
- Frigate "Hetman Sagaydachny" - U130
- Artillery boat "Skadovsk" - U170
Auxiliary vessels of the Ukrainian Navy:
- RSK (reconnaissance ship) "Pereyaslav" - U512
- Diving vessel "Neteshyn" - U700
- Dry-cargo barge "Svatovo" - U763
Boats of the Ukrainian Navy:
- Boat AK-01 — U172
- Boat AK-02 — U173
- Anti-sabotage boat "Golaya Pristan" - U241
- Boat "Vladimir-Volynsky" - U721
- Boat "Southern" - U855
Ukraine was returned:
- Patrol boat "Priluki".
- KFOR "Yuri Olefirenko".
- Minelayer "Balta" ..
- Training boats "Chigirin", "Smela" and "Novaya Kakhovka".
- Diving ships "Pochaev" and "Kamenka".
- Sea transport "Gorlovka".
- Sanitary boat "Sokal".
- Pilot vessel "Shostka".
- Sea tug "Kovel".
- Vessel of control of physical fields "
- Marine water-filled tanker "Sudak".
A complete chronicle of the destruction of Ukrainian ships in the Black Sea:
- On February 26, the flagship of the Ukrainian fleet "Hetman Sahaidachny" was sunk.
- March 3 announced the drowning of the boat "Slavyansk".
- On March 22, the Netishin diving boat was sunk.
- On March 27, the Pereslavl ship was sunk.
- On May 7, the boat "Stanislav" was sunk.
- On May 8, the sinking of a corvette of project 1241 was announced.
- On May 11, a barge was sunk, blocking the Dnieper-Bug estuary.
- On June 6, a strike was made on the boat group.
- On June 10, the Vinnitsa corvette was sunk in Ochakovo.
- On July 7, an unknown number of landing craft were destroyed near Zmeiny Island.
- On July 24, a landing craft was destroyed in Odessa.
- On July 25, 2 landing craft were destroyed in the Dnieper Estuary.
- On August 26, a message appeared about the drowning of the minesweeper "Genichesk" and the control ship "Slavyansk".
- On August 31, the sinking of two self-propelled barges was announced.
Thus, if it is difficult to draw any conclusions about the boats, both because of their unknown number at the beginning of the NWO, and because of US supplies,
then of the large ships in Ukraine on the Black Sea, only the Yuriy Olefirenko SDK and the minelayer remained "Balta".
https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/209690-hronika-poter-ukrainskogo-flota-na-chernom-more.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
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