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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:29 pm

    Russia to Substitute Over 50% of Ukrainian Defense Products by End of 2015

    Russia plans to replace over 50 percent of foreign-made products with domestically-built ones under its import substitution program, a representative of the Russian Defense Ministry said. He added that Russia's defense industry is developing more rapidly amid Western sanctions.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The Russian Defense Ministry plans to replace over 50 percent of foreign products with domestically-built ones as part of its import substitution program which aims to provide alternatives to foreign defense industry components that are no longer available because of Western anti-Russia sanctions.

    "If we talk about Ukraine, we will substitute some of their components by 53% by the end of the year," a ministry representative told journalists on Friday, adding that the substitution of all the products will amount to 67 percent.

    He stressed that Russia’s defense industry is developing more rapidly amid sanctions imposed against Russia over its alleged involvement in the Ukrainian crisis.

    "We will construct many outdated units over again by ourselves, we do not need the old Ukrainian ones," the representative said.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:08 pm

    This guy has tremendous ideas!!

    Russian deputy PM suggests creating separate defense subprogram for engine-making
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:31 am

    The main point is that with foreign technology now being so expensive it makes sense to buy domestic.

    The penalty is that the domestic model might not have the same performance as the imported model, but at least now the money being spent is being spent within the Russian economy instead of going into some foreigners pocket.

    Russian workers are earning money instead of foreign workers.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:53 am

    Very true. But regarding performance one, the best part is for plants whom already make engines of a specific type, can start producing of multitude of types. As they already have experience in designing and making engines, they can use what they already designed and made, as the basis for the more powerful and capable engines. Example is the engines being used for the Steregushy corvettes and soon to be used for various types of Russia's surface fleet:

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/65865/?pid=675274#comments

    http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/5/12/744826.html

    http://www.kolomnadiesel.com/news/?id=721
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    Post  Project Canada on Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:18 am


    The penalty is that the domestic model might not have the same performance as the imported model, but at least now the money being spent is being spent within the Russian economy instead of going into some foreigners pocket.

    can't this be corrected overtime? like as local manufacturers gain experience from making their own production models, they should be able to update their products and come up with new and better designs periodically
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:53 am

    Another point is that when things are made overseas then Russian companies don't get money to invest in their products, so they have little chance of improving their products and becoming more competitive.


    there are of course negatives too... a Russian company might know it is the only choice for producing something in the volume required and therefore not work to develop their product... they get lazy...

    Hopefully that wont be a problem... and the money spent on domestic production and the experience gained in that production will lead to upgrading tooling and production methods to make them even more competitive on the international market...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:06 am

    Putin: MIC will consider six candidates of new general designer DIC
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:53 pm

    George1 wrote:Putin: MIC will consider six candidates of new general designer DIC

    Yeah, as long as they don't put Rogozin as chief designer of the Russian MIC, I'm good with that.

    But I won't feel safe until I hear it's not so for sure, that guy seems to get around everywhere these days.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:51 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    George1 wrote:Putin: MIC will consider six candidates of new general designer DIC

    Yeah, as long as they don't put Rogozin as chief designer of the Russian MIC, I'm good with that.

    But I won't feel safe until I hear it's not so for sure, that guy seems to get around everywhere these days.

    What makes you think he designs anything? Rogozin largely holds a figure-head position.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:44 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    George1 wrote:Putin: MIC will consider six candidates of new general designer DIC

    Yeah, as long as they don't put Rogozin as chief designer of the Russian MIC, I'm good with that.

    But I won't feel safe until I hear it's not so for sure, that guy seems to get around everywhere these days.

    Rogozin designs precisely nothing...

    From what I managed to piece together his job is to forcefully and repeatedly insert footwear up the posterior orifices of various underperforming MIC managers.

    Gotta say, he's been doing excellent job on that ''front'' since results are improving constantly. thumbsup

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:38 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    George1 wrote:Putin: MIC will consider six candidates of new general designer DIC

    Yeah, as long as they don't put Rogozin as chief designer of the Russian MIC, I'm good with that.

    But I won't feel safe until I hear it's not so for sure, that guy seems to get around everywhere these days.

    Rogozin designs precisely nothing...

    From what I managed to piece together his job is to forcefully and repeatedly insert footwear up the posterior orifices of various underperforming MIC managers.

    Gotta say, he's been doing excellent job on that ''front'' since results are improving constantly. thumbsup

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    He actually designed a good number during the negotiation with France. clown
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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:21 pm

    Russia’s sole manufacturer of armored vehicles may grind to a halt over debts

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:02 am

    Russias maker of tracked IFVs is not Russias only maker of armoured vehicles.

    UVZ makes armata and T-90s... Kamaz and several other manufacturers make armoured vehicles too.

    And the whole story is about not paying a gas bill... sounds like it is really sensationalist crap not actually worth posting...
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    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:11 am

    Russia’s only infantry fighting vehicle manufacturer files for bankruptcy

    KMZ in 2015 struck a long-term contract with Russia’s Defense Ministry to supply in 2015-2017 more than 200 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles to Russian army units

    YEKATERINBURG, February 9. /TASS/. A bankruptcy petition regarding Kurganmashzavod (KMZ) - Russia’s only enterprise manufacturing infantry fighting vehicles (BMP) - has been filed with the Kurgan Arbitration Court, the court press service told TASS Tuesday.

    The petitioner is MTE Group registered in Moscow.

    "The petition is connected with arrears on lease contracts of MTE Group and KMZ. Earlier the companies struck an amicable agreement, under which KMZ was to pay in two stages 41 million rubles ($515,000) of total debt on lease payments and some 1.9 million rubles ($23,800) of cancelation penalty," the press service said.

    The court said Kurganmashzavod only paid 276,000 rubles ($3,460) out of the debt. "That’s why MTE Group demands that the plant be recognized bankrupt and that a bankruptcy commissioner be appointed," it said.

    The petition was filed February 5 and has not yet been accepted for hearing. TASS was unable to get a comment from the plant.

    KMZ, making part of Tractor Plants concern, is Russia’s only enterprise producing infantry fighting vehicles being in operational service with the armies of nearly 30 countries.

    KMZ in 2015 struck a long-term contract with Russia’s Defense Ministry to supply in 2015-2017 more than 200 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles to Russian army units.

    KMZ had wage arrears and a debt for gas to Gazprom mezhregiongaz Kurgan company.

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    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:08 pm

    Kalashnikov arms manufacturer raised investment into production sites upgrade in 2015

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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:36 am

    Crimean defense plants receive state contracts — Putin

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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:27 am

    Russia’s major tank producer restructures its debt to Czech Export Bank — official

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    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:26 am

    New facilities of Concern "Kalashnikov" in Izhevsk

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    Post  George1 on Fri May 27, 2016 2:16 pm

    Russia's defense industry showed 13% production growth in 2015 — deputy PM

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    Post  franco on Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:37 pm

    Some 1300 new technology and 929 facilities for the Defense Industry by 2020.

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/884319
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:32 pm

    Russia to spend $15.6 bln on defense industry development — PM

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:26 am

    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.ru/vpk.name/news/159819_pravitelstvo_usilivaet_kontrol_za_dolgosrochnyimi_programmami_goskompanii_opk.html

    This means that they will enforce the idea of monitoring the efficiency and success of the companies. Companies that underperform, do not meet the demands set forth or are lackluster in terms of overall performance of their products, will face the management being terminated from their positions.
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    Post  Project Canada on Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:10 am




    KRET entered the top 100 defense companies in the world


    Concern took 48th place in the ranking of 100 of the largest military-industrial corporations according to Defense News

    Concern "Radio-electronic technology '(KRET), part of the State Corporation Rostec, ranked 48 th position in the ranking of the 100 largest global military-industrial companies, which is the American edition of Defense News annually.

    According to its activity in KRET increased its position in the ranking last year to four lines, occupying the 48th place. Let's remind, that on results of 2014 the concern was on the 52 th place in the list of Defense News.

    The reason was the improved financial performance of the company. KRET showed total sales of $ 1.9 billion in 2015, including $ 1.6 billion of military products.

    As noted in the concern, the appearance KRET in the list of the largest military-industrial companies in the world in the 48 th place on the right shows the selected course of development, which is actively developing, despite the depreciation of the ruble. Under the old course of the financial performance KRET would ensure him a place in the top 20 global military-industrial holdings. The concern confident that the expansion of the export portfolio of the organization it could happen in the next few years.

    Recall that in the preparation of Defense News rankings take into account brand awareness, quality, reliability and popularity of the company's products. In addition, international experts thoroughly study their financial performance and growth dynamics over the past few years on the weapons line.

    In recent years KRET demonstrated tangible progress. By results of 2015 the Group's revenues amounted to about 120 billion rubles, at times exceeding the index of 2011 - 45 billion rubles. Net profit for the last year amounted to about 10 billion rubles, exceeding the index of 2014 by 20%.

    According to the plans concern the estimated volume of production, which will be implemented in the current year will amount to more than 101 billion rubles. In 2016 it is planned to increase the supply of land, air and naval systems, radar and electronic warfare and advanced the state radar identification.

    http://kret.defence.ru/military_technology/kret-voshel-v-top-100-oboronnikh-kompanii-mira/

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:29 am

    the russians don't have decked out tanks...and that's where we run into issues. The russian army--and more importantly, the countries it exports to (because we all know they don't actually build or design competitive stuff, but rather, they design products to be paper champions...they're made to be sold "as good as" or "better than the western versions"), are in quite the perdicament. They compete on paper, but anyone who's seend the inside of a Mig 29 vs a F16 understands just how superficial these competions are...

    Russian equipment is "designed" like their rockets....I.E. they're supposed to be more rugged (read: most of the time, heavy) and more powerful (read: it has to be, because they build heavier stuff, and lack the knowledge, capacity, and manufacturing capability to use modern materials). How does that translate?

    It translate to: every russian aircraft that was ever made. They're needlessly heavy, in avionics, weapons, and engines, as well as in powerplant technology, which refers tk energy prodution, storage, and use. In the end, soviet and russian weapons are built in the same manner a 2 year old might design an animal, if asked to produce the best animal for meat production:

    "I'll have the breasts, and legs of a chicken...the ribs of a cow...the tail of a kangaroo, because hey, lets face it, they're cool." The result is an aircraft that is big because it has big engines. It needs big engines because the avionics are heavy. It needs big avionics because of inefficiency and lazinees. And because it's all really big, they....oh yeah, they need one giant fucking fuel tank. In the end, the thing lights up like an atomic bomb on every radar in the same hemisphere, and it maneuvers with it's weapons and fuel the same way a pregnant cow approaches hopping a fence.

    But back to the problem..the problem is that they have to build shit the way they do because it subsidizes the russian army. The countries that russia exports to consist of: people who shit in holes. They couldn't tie their own shoe laces if given a 6 month course. In the end, this means that during a conflict, because the russian government and the governments of russia's friends don't exactly inspire loyalty, it's best not to put a lot of weight on the shoulders of say...a technically inclined loader, who needs a ttoooonnnn of practice (which they cant afford), training, and investment. So what would you do? You wouldnt design the best equipment for the people; who you cant count on. People are an expendable resource in conflict; instead, you design a piece of equipment that can stand on it's own, and then send one or two mechanics to take care of it.

    So...in the end, the soldiers that use the equipment never need a single degree of technical aptitude. Idiots without technical skill, and who can be sent to pull a trigger where they're told, are generally in abundace during wartime. But the fact remains, that this is a vicious, never ending cycle. You have unskilled armies with deadly, but often inferior weaponry, and because you have an unskilled and inferior force, people aren't exactly looking to sign up as a career move, and likewise, no sane leader would equip such an army with say, a billion dollar aircraft.

    So, in the end, you have autoloaders. Autoloaders are both the symptom, and the problem.

    This started with talk of why the Iraqi T-72s fought so poorly against the U.S, and this fool pretty much insulted the entire Russian MIC that's why i post this here.

    Wanna hear what you guys think.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:40 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    the russians don't have decked out tanks...and that's where we run into issues. The russian army--and more importantly, the countries it exports to (because we all know they don't actually build or design competitive stuff, but rather, they design products to be paper champions...they're made to be sold "as good as" or "better than the western versions"), are in quite the perdicament. They compete on paper, but anyone who's seend the inside of a Mig 29 vs a F16 understands just how superficial these competions are...

    Russian equipment is "designed" like their rockets....I.E. they're supposed to be more rugged (read: most of the time, heavy) and more powerful (read: it has to be, because they build heavier stuff, and lack the knowledge, capacity, and manufacturing capability to use modern materials). How does that translate?

    It translate to: every russian aircraft that was ever made. They're needlessly heavy, in avionics, weapons, and engines, as well as in powerplant technology, which refers tk energy prodution, storage, and use. In the end, soviet and russian weapons are built in the same manner a 2 year old might design an animal, if asked to produce the best animal for meat production:

    "I'll have the breasts, and legs of a chicken...the ribs of a cow...the tail of a kangaroo, because hey, lets face it, they're cool." The result is an aircraft that is big because it has big engines. It needs big engines because the avionics are heavy. It needs big avionics because of inefficiency and lazinees. And because it's all really big, they....oh yeah, they need one giant fucking fuel tank. In the end, the thing lights up like an atomic bomb on every radar in the same hemisphere, and it maneuvers with it's weapons and fuel the same way a pregnant cow approaches hopping a fence.

    But back to the problem..the problem is that they have to build shit the way they do because it subsidizes the russian army. The countries that russia exports to consist of: people who shit in holes. They couldn't tie their own shoe laces if given a 6 month course. In the end, this means that during a conflict, because the russian government and the governments of russia's friends don't exactly inspire loyalty, it's best not to put a lot of weight on the shoulders of say...a technically inclined loader, who needs a ttoooonnnn of practice (which they cant afford), training, and investment. So what would you do? You wouldnt design the best equipment for the people; who you cant count on. People are an expendable resource in conflict; instead, you design a piece of equipment that can stand on it's own, and then send one or two mechanics to take care of it.

    So...in the end, the soldiers that use the equipment never need a single degree of technical aptitude. Idiots without technical skill, and who can be sent to pull a trigger where they're told, are generally in abundace during wartime. But the fact remains, that this is a vicious, never ending cycle. You have unskilled armies with deadly, but often inferior weaponry, and because you have an unskilled and inferior force, people aren't exactly looking to sign up as a career move, and likewise, no sane leader would equip such an army with say, a billion dollar aircraft.

    So, in the end, you have autoloaders. Autoloaders are both the symptom, and the problem.

    This started with talk of why the Iraqi T-72s fought so poorly against the U.S, and this fool pretty much insulted the entire Russian MIC that's why i post this here.

    Wanna hear what you guys think.

    Nothing more than vapid trash talk. Trash talk indicates insecurity.

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