Deputy Prime Minister, chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission, Dmitry Rogozin, told the Observer "Interfax" Vyacheslav Terekhov and Paul Koryashkinu state program of armaments, armored holding "Rostec", testing new machines, and answered the question, whether the plants are ready to build aircraft carriers.
- Dmitry O., when it is finally agreed upon and approved by the state program of armaments to 2025?
- The program must be formed by July 1 and finally approved at the end of 2017. On January 1, 2018 to begin its implementation.
- We will build a new aircraft carrier for the Navy?
- This question is not for the military-industrial complex. We can build everything for the competence that we have. If a decision is made about the need to equip our Navy aircraft carrier, it will be implemented.
We have an understanding of how to do it. There aviation technology, which can be equipped with a ship strike weapons. From a technical and production point of view, all this is achievable, no doubt.
Preliminary draft, the technical sketch is.
- Assumes whether a new program is building the heavy missile cruisers or will upgrade the old ones?
- They're not old. It is absolutely fit for combat equipment.
We do not consider it shameful to use combat platforms that have been created in the past. These cruisers are subject to thorough modernization. They can last for long service for so many years. They have a new shock weapons can be installed, the latest helicopters. We have excellent helicopters - the Ka-52K as a coaxial screw system, it allows you to withstand any wind loads.
Some experts are of the "Diwali forces" mistakenly think that the most important thing - support. A really important is what the armed cruiser. Heavy cruisers Soviet projects have only one drawback - they are visible. They are not used modern stealth technology. US uses some of its planes for decades - rake stuffing and put all new. All this flies serves. And this is a normal prudent approach.
- Dmitry O., "Rostec" transferred serious defense assets - "Uralvagonzavod" military division "KTZ". What for?
- The first task - creating armored holding. You know, NATO military sometimes jokingly referred to as his armored units "heavy metal forces", if used in the lexicon, we plan to create a "heavy metal" holding. Entering "Uralvagonzavod" in "Rostec" perimeter combine production of combat and combat platforms of tower modules. This will solve a lot of problems - from engineering and design to finance. Doing this within one organization is cheaper and easier.
The second challenge - to improve the difficult financial situation "Uralvagonzavod".
As for the state defense order "Uralvagonzavod", this is no problem, all developed and civil proceedings have subsided due to the crisis. former management calculations on bulk purchases of cars were not justified. On the "Uralvagonzavod" began to experience problems, including social - part-time, part-time working week.
In "Rostec", which operates large finances, the ability to support the "Uralvagonzavod" is. Our economic forecasts show that by this kind of cooperation, "Uralvagonzavod" is already in the can greatly improve their financial situation during 2017. It must be a bit of support. But loans that need to pay large interest. Looking for domestic funds, and they can be produced in "Rostec".
We expect that the appearance of this holding is finally formed through the integration of back and "Kurgan", which produces infantry fighting vehicles and other defense plants "KTZ". It is logical to link it all, add "fresh blood" - the design and management. Who started the corporate procedures. A new CEO, he will form his own team.
The first stage is integrated into "Rostec". In the next stage, we are waiting for from the CEO "Uralvagonzavod" plan for a big Holding: as the work will be built, what economic incentives will be applied to new managers. All this will be heard at the board meeting of the Military-Industrial Commission, and approved by, or, on the contrary, has been rejected.
- How do you assess the rearmament of the army and navy?
- Qualitative change achieved. There are kinds and sorts of the Armed Forces, we are re-equipping first. For example, in strategic nuclear forces must re-create a 100%.
Pride and love of our military - is a unique strategic missile "Voivod", in the West they call it "Satan", and for good reason. This is a very powerful rocket, carrying a huge nuclear potential retaliation. This missile has been extremely successful in terms of resources. We were able to fully ensure the extension of its operation. Earlier on this rocket, we depend on Ukraine. Now everything is fully guaranteed by the Russian enterprises.
Soon the arms will also receive a new intercontinental ballistic missile "Sarmat" with the perfect means of overcoming current and future missile defense systems. With the "Sarmatia" and we fit into the plan to replace our unique missiles "Voivod", and in agreement with the Americans on the reduction of strategic offensive arms on the number of units and the media.
The second type of missiles, which provide strategic deterrence - solid. This development of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology and Labour Hero of Russia General Yuri Semenovich Solomon designer. This silo-based and mobile missiles - "Topol", "Yarsy". This sea-based missiles - "Mace", which are equipped with nuclear submarines of the fourth generation of the boat project "Northwind".
Come into service intercontinental ballistic missiles and long-term, which we do not speak, they will be created in the new armament program, will allow to update the strategic nuclear potential of Russia by 100%. This is the holy of holies. We can not risk it. It is a guarantee of our security, our sovereignty.
- How is the work on the Tu-160m2?
- If we talk about videoconferencing, carried a lot of work to restore the fleet of strategic bombers - Tu-160, Tu-95.
For me it is a personal story. I have a picture of flying over Moscow Tu-160 and a photocopy of the document on the delivery of the second phase of its engine - NC-32, chairman of the commission - Rogozin Oleg K., my father. In 1987, he received a new engine as the head of the commission.
We have restored the production of these engines make a new series. NC-32 - a unique engine. We use new design and engineering solutions. The design basis of the engine ahead of its time, it will be used in the future.
The plane we rearm and from the point of view of modern missile systems, and in terms of the power plant, automated control systems and communications. It is recognizable image of an aircraft with a deep modernization.
We move on. We create and future aircraft systems, including, for the strategic nuclear forces. We're moving. This not only plans, but in practical work. Meeting the college MIC gradually transformed into the beginning of the development work and production.
- How is the development of a new air defense system S-500?
- First, the C-400, C-400 is now the new missile, then C-500. This is our work plans are implemented. It means protecting our cities from attack. From previous air defense systems S-500 will be different actions range and efficiency defeat all the aerodynamic and ballistic targets.
- How do you like the recent statement by the US Secretary of Defense announced plans to speak to Russia with a position of strength?
- It surprised me. I know James Mattis, visited his home in Norfolk, where he worked Permanent Representative of Russia to NATO. It is a lively, interesting, sociable people.
Perhaps, for the time when he was not served at the Pentagon, he is a little behind, unaware of serious scientific, technical and industrial progress of Russian military-industrial complex. Maybe he lives some illusions about the "old rusty Russian missiles." When he will understand, such statements are unlikely to be possible.
If we talk about the logistics of the country's security and defense, I declare that I do not see how you can talk with Russia to a position of strength. We have themselves have the power. We have restored this power, the power of the country. With us, it is necessary to negotiate.
Russia is the only country in the world that can contain any aggressor - the most heavily armed leader of the Western world, together with its surroundings. Keep the anywhere in the world. It is already a fact.
- What the industry is ready to offer land forces, special operations forces?
- We understand that the real military conflict - it is local conflicts.
We have a compact army. We must be in constant readiness forces, owning unique weapons. These forces need to have the highest mobility, precision weapons. For aviation, which secretly transfer them to any place. To ensure that our military had the means of detection of the enemy, suppressing its means of aggression.
I'm talking about robotic complexes. The task - to bring our man from the Gaza defeat to a safe distance, but so that he himself had seen the enemy, and was able to hit it. Our goal - to turn the soldier in the operator's robotic system that can fulfill any combat missions.
- You mean robot "Ally"?
- We have a lot of development. "Nerehta", for example.
My father headed the USSR Ministry of Defense Advanced Research, was the first deputy head of armaments. He foresaw that the war will win the "four-eyes", sitting at a screen and controlling robotic systems.
Recently I was on a training ground near Moscow TSNIITOCHMASH in Nizhny Tagil in the range "Uralvagonzavod". I was shown the result of our Robotics Center, which was created at the factory Kovrov Degtyarev. Conditional "bespectacled" sits a finger on the touch screen controls the objectives that must be struck, and determines the order of destruction of these goals. Robot wakes up in an ambush, identifies the target if he realizes that he is the enemy, gives an indication nominated killer robots that turn enemy column in chips. In this case the operator itself is at such a distance that no funds can not defeat the enemy did not only reach, but also to understand where all of this is controlled. Secure communication channels, they do not intercept.
This scientific and technological progress, the development of robotic systems. But there are certain risks. No wonder they struck the minds of the creators of art, which created all kinds of movies about "robocops" and "Terminator". In all of these fantasies is a certain truth. Machines are becoming more and more complex intelligent. Man in no case should not pass the car right on the final decision. Above that think our general designers, all of our engineers. Questions of life and, God forbid, the death must be determined by a person on the basis of the higher purpose of protecting, defense of the civilian population, the country and its sovereignty. Otherwise, you can get carried away too.
We already see today on television footage, which is actively used robotics, armed with automatic weapons. Progress will be moving in this direction - to the maximum development of artificial intelligence, robotic means, including unmanned. The war of the future will be very tech, very high precision and very remote.
- When completed testing machines for combat equipment "Warrior"? Who will win - the AK-12 "Kalashnikov" or Degtyarevskaya AEK-971?
- Do not be such - one wins, the other loses. We will be sure to develop both design schools - and the Degtyarev plant, and "Kalashnikov".
Machines will doispytany and possibly as early as this year, decisions will be made. The weapon is being tested for years, then to serve decades.
Machines are different. A cheaper machine will be, relatively speaking, a soldier. We need a simple, cheap, efficient machine. In this regard, there is every chance that it will be an AK-12. But with all the "seasoning" - Picatinny rail, telescopic buttstock, and above all - internal design, which allows for automatic shooting "did not turn up your nose."
In AK-12 military personnel according to their preferences, the individual characteristics of a body, the specifics of the tasks will be able to use night, daytime, thermal imaging optics, laser range finder. Someone left-handed - the machine can be cocked his left hand. This is extremely important from an ergonomic point of view questions. And they will be implemented on the AK-12.
AEK-971 - a more complex machine with many features, it is a high-precision, different cartridges can be used. It also can be useful - not an ordinary army units and special purpose forces, the National Guard, Border Guards.
We have a different form, solve a variety of problems. The more weapons, the greater the variety of uses for useful tips and skirts, the better.
Sorry for the slang, but the weapons can also be economy and business class. For special units for officers' departments - "Alpha", "Vympel" - of course, the weapon should be a higher level than the usual soldier's gun.
- There are some interesting developments in the field of ammunition for small arms?
- Interesting developments are many. For example, the first time we have created and are already beginning to produce ammunition for small arms, which ignites the diesel. Neither rifle ammunition in the world, it was not able to.
Our simple soldier from automatic weapons can stop an enemy vehicle that runs on diesel fuel. This success of the revolution in this business.
We are working on the new powder, more energy, even burning. They will create maximum momentum in the trunk to increase shot power. This is a task that will be delivered to the holding company, which is now thought "Rostec" holding special chemistry.
- Are you generally satisfied with the way relations are based defense enterprises with the Ministry of Defence?
- In 2012, when I came to work in this office, we have the relationship between the customer and industry characterized by constant price wars. It came to the fact that the President had to intervene, for example, in matters of pricing in the construction of nuclear submarines.
Then the whole problem was resolved - was found the pricing formula, the laws adopted, amended legislation in the area of pricing, distributed responsibilities, roles of various structures.
For example, the Ministry of Industry knows the industry, he has to understand how a price, to determine, together with the cost of production enterprises. Someone has to act as auditor of the prices, to conduct an independent audit. Who is doing the FAS. If there is still no agreement on the price, is the last instance - the board of the Military-Industrial Commission. It authorized the president to act as the final arbiter.
Through the establishment of the regulatory framework, the involvement of responsible people in charge of a large business, when everyone understands their role and is already established pricing formula, it was possible to minimize the subjective factors and enter the routine process in a good way.
We have introduced, including legislation, different prices. How can I by signing a fixed price contract for the creation of an entirely new nuclear submarine? You do not know how many months or days, hours, minutes, require general designer, to form a technical appearance of a completely new product, as necessary investment in new technologies, new structural material, how much time will be spent on the purchase of the necessary equipment to start the entire process chain.
The fixed price is good when the product exists in the public domain. But when it comes to something completely new, or, conversely, to repair put sophisticated weapons system, and the end is not clear that it needs to be replaced or replaced with modernization, it or the estimated price, or the price, which is established on the basis of operation.
Our military-industrial complex - it is not a shop, which came in and said post from the top shelf, asked why dusty goods, why not tesemochki box.
For example, the Pentagon has no limitations, it works without the sanctions pressure, the Americans themselves these sanctions initiated against us. They quoted the "shop" exists in the face of a huge US military-industrial complex, which operates without restrictions in the supply of components, including from all over the world.
In order to satisfy the interests of our Russian customers, the industry requires a more complex work. We have a whole program of import substitution that we can not bring to our country, the production localization program, there is also a strong social aspect - it is necessary to give our people jobs. It is necessary to inculcate the culture of modern production, pay a decent salary to get through this financial incentive to attract like a magnet of the best specialists in the country and from abroad, for example, from the Ukraine, where they are not wanted.
This is a very complex, high-tech production of high-tech products. I stress, production itself must be high-tech. to do something new on the machines of the 20th century can be, but it would be extremely costly piece-work, which will cost so much money that there simply are not enough physically.
It is for this reason that the state program of armaments is accompanied by parallel programs re industry. Carefully Ministry of Industry, Roscosmos and Rosatom to develop and submit to the board of MIC suggestions that they need to re-equip, which plants need to be rebuilt.
Recently, we showed the prime minister, and before that the president, two of our new plant "EKO Concern" Almaz-Antey "in Nizhny Novgorod and Kirov. Everything is new, including the production of culture.
- These plants Russian equipment completely?
- I would like it to be that way. Unfortunately, the machine tool industry in the 90 years was destroyed in the first place. And now the industry has to rebuild from the ruins.
When we began to buy machines for the upgrading of enterprises, we understand that our scope is required to alert the adversary, and he will find an excuse for imposing sanctions. He found - Crimean occasion.
If we just bought all the machines in large quantities abroad, we have for decades been put in bondage - machines require maintenance, repairs and modernization. So we started to make offset agreements with exporters of equipment: if you want us to sell 50 machines, okay, but, starting from the tenth of the machine, they should be collected, and the thirtieth - produced in our country. First, something as simple as a 5% percent of localization, then 10%, then 20, 25, 50, then the localization should be 100%.
The interest of manufacturers of machine tools in deliveries in Russia, despite the sanctions, has led to the fact that due to this offset we were able to start the recovery of machine production.
We expect that in the spring of Prime Minister will visit Ulyanovsk corresponding production, and there discuss in detail the issues of the industry recovery.
This process goes on. Not to say that everything works magically. But by attracting private capital government spending could be reduced.
In the field of production of machines into Russia, a lot of private traders. This enterprise in Ulyanovsk, excellent production machines in Kovrov, much is being done in Tula. People from the business entered the MIC Council on Public-Private Partnerships. They are involved in a common cause, they are aware of our needs, they are counting on a long order, arrange their rate of return. We obgovarivayem rules of the game, and off we go, there is success.
In general, I am proud of the fact that the country's leadership has invited me and our team to participate in the new industrialization of Russia, to use their knowledge, experience and energy to that, from what for decades to come will depend on the security and economic prosperity of the motherland.