The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

auslander wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

auslander wrote:Bomb in the elevator. He's dead.

Infighting or ukrops?

First word is Ukropov but nothing definite. No rumors ever about him being involved in anything not on the up and up. We'll know for absolute certain shortly, VCO is trying to reach our boy.

В МВД Украины заявили, что Моторола мог быть убит "своими же подельниками"

Hopefully everyone can get this without translation

Militarov wrote:

auslander wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

auslander wrote:Bomb in the elevator. He's dead.

Infighting or ukrops?

First word is Ukropov but nothing definite. No rumors ever about him being involved in anything not on the up and up. We'll know for absolute certain shortly, VCO is trying to reach our boy.

В МВД Украины заявили, что Моторола мог быть убит  "своими же подельниками"

Hopefully everyone can get this without translation

Just in case they, like me can't, this is Yandex.

The interior Ministry of Ukraine said that Motorola could be killed "by his own accomplices"

'Not us Guv' 'Honest'

Don't know but I doubt it was his boys. Things are tense up there of the moment.

Militarov wrote:

auslander wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

auslander wrote:Bomb in the elevator. He's dead.

Infighting or ukrops?

First word is Ukropov but nothing definite. No rumors ever about him being involved in anything not on the up and up. We'll know for absolute certain shortly, VCO is trying to reach our boy.

В МВД Украины заявили, что Моторола мог быть убит  "своими же подельниками"

Hopefully everyone can get this without translation

What I do not get is why you are even posting their bull-shit.

Obviously the Ukrainians killed him, and now they want to get off the hook for it, and at the same time sow discord in the ranks of their opponents.

RIP Motorola. Let's wait and see who did this.

RIP Motorola

VladimirSahin wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

auslander wrote:Bomb in the elevator. He's dead.

Infighting or ukrops?

Ukrops... No faction in the DPR/LPR would risk that. I think it's time for the war to heat up.

recnetly there were infos about US/Polish "instructors" sent to Donbass...now we see results :///

For those connected locally. Any possibility that Motorola was revenge for Zakharchenko intervening in Lugansk a month ago?

RIP Motorola and Stanimirović.

But what is happening with Novo's security system ? VIP like Motorola should be protected with highest priority.

Bloody hell...

RIP to yet another fallen hero.

RIP hero.

Ispan wrote:So Poroshenko when cornered has finally dropped the mask and cancelled Minsk process? When? Good news if true

https://dninews.com/article/zakcharchenko-poroshenko%E2%80%99s-statement-means-cancellation-minsk-new-spiral-conflict

The Minsk Process is not over until the European Union says so..
So Poroshenko can "Cancel it" a million of times , but if Europe says.. no you can't.
Then he will have to do it ,no matter what. Because Ukraine depends from EU economical
help , then kiev is not in any position to say ,Minsk is canceled. This is EU the only one that can say that. So they know the alternative of MINSK is Kiev to start the war in full scale , and the
pipeline from where they get Natural gas to be interrupted affecting their economies. So my guess is they will pressure economically ,blackmail ukraine to comply again or else face sanctions and zero economic aid.

So MINSK is all About what EU says.. not what the american controlled puppets in kiev says.
US do not have the capability to help Ukraine economy with trade , only EU can. So Europe have
more ways to pressure Ukraine to return to Minsk agreement. Because all this goes down to
Economic Aid and TRade. Ukraine cannot exist in the world isolating itself from Russia and Europe. So unless Europe change their tune and give up , with something they have nothing to lose and everything to win to keep the pressure,then they will continue.

Is for nothing that Minsk 2 agreement was called a peace trap. and it is supported by UN and international community ,so is an international law. So Ukraine will be beaten by DOnetsk and Lugansk and after that they will need to return again to minsk 2 again. Which is nothing more than the restoration of democracy in kiev ,and respect of ethnic minority rights in Ukraine.
This is what the special status..and elections really means in minsk2 , that Donetsk and Lugansk will give control of border and recognize Kiev only when kiev recognize their right to their language and right to have representation in the government and right for have their own security and governor in the zone.

higurashihougi wrote:RIP Motorola and Stanimirović.

But what is happening with Novo's security system ? VIP like Motorola should be protected with highest priority.

He was never VIP. He earned his name by fighting.
And I doubt it was ukros who managed to kill him. They are only good at killing political enemies inside ukraine. But we will probably will never find out what happened

R.I.P.

Vann7 wrote:

Ispan wrote:So Poroshenko when cornered has finally dropped the mask and cancelled Minsk process? When? Good news if true

https://dninews.com/article/zakcharchenko-poroshenko%E2%80%99s-statement-means-cancellation-minsk-new-spiral-conflict

The Minsk Process is not over until the European Union says so..

USA

So Poroshenko can "Cancel it" a million of times , but if Europe says.. no you can't.
Then he will have to do it ,no matter what. Because Ukraine depends from EU economical

fascist scum and pro-US oligarchs do not care really, Ukrainian population already lives in poverty. They are downing whole economy only one purpose - get Russia into war.

So MINSK is all About what EU says.. not what the american controlled puppets in kiev says.

and US is no master of EU? you saw what happened with VW? and now with Deutsche Bank. Just US warnings so Germans know ith place. and accept AntiRussian war + mass immigration on Fashington.

higurashihougi wrote:RIP Motorola and Stanimirović.

But what is happening with Novo's security system ? VIP like Motorola should be protected with highest priority.

no Ukrops id say, western "advisors" last 2 years are providing with materials, elint and instructors..lately many more western scum came there.

franco wrote:For those connected locally. Any possibility that Motorola was revenge for Zakharchenko intervening in Lugansk a month ago?

It could have been an attack meant for Zakharchenko, but as he is too well guarded, Motorola "took the bullet". Not about Lugansk but oligarch, possibly, and likely paying several traitors. Poroshenko is of course an oligarch, and has recently said he wants Motorola dead, and this may be at his orders, but there are others, one with deep connections in Donetsk, and deep pockets. Probably we will never know the truth for years.

This info has appeared, but without confirmation. The elevator had been having problems for a week with engineers coming everyday to fix it. The appartment block was an official block for DNR officers and their families and was guarded. Elevator engineers appearing everyday, who should have proper documentation, would have become "routine" to guards, like "oh, elevator broke again, well, come on in" and not bothering to check on what they are actually doing. This is only a scenario of course, but how else is it explained how bomb is attached to the elevator in guarded building with residents walking in and out all the time. Also, if this is anything like the truth, how was it arranged that the elevator "broke" everyday. It would be intersting to hear what those responsible for elevator engineers have to say, and it must be suspected that they are already being spoken to by MGB. I would say that this was inside job in that those who carried out the operation where locals, traitors or for $, but it was ordered from outside, and with outside assistance.

Khepesh wrote:
This info has appeared, but without confirmation. The elevator had been having problems for a week with engineers coming everyday to fix it. The appartment block was an official block for DNR officers and their families and was guarded. Elevator engineers appearing everyday, who should have proper documentation, would have become "routine" to guards, like "oh, elevator broke again, well, come on in" and not bothering to check on what they are actually doing. This is only a scenario of course, but how else is it explained how bomb is attached to the elevator in guarded building with residents walking in and out all the time. Also, if this is anything like the truth, how was it arranged that the elevator "broke" everyday. It would be intersting to hear what those responsible for elevator engineers have to say, and it must be suspected that they are already being spoken to by MGB. I would say that this was inside job in that those who carried out the operation where locals, traitors or for $, but it was ordered from outside, and with outside assistance.

If so expect a couple of engineers to have suddenly gone away on holiday, to safety.

RIP.

Two can play this assassination game, so why aren't they?

Givi "I'm going to level Ukranian cities to the ground" http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201610171412-mahz.htm

Khepesh wrote:Givi "I'm going to level Ukranian cities to the ground"  http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201610171412-mahz.htm

Understandable but at least he could have made the threat credible.

Given the sensitivity of the situation, Moscow will have a big say in this and they, unlike Kiev etc, seem to have some ethics so don't expect assassinations to be on the list. Whilst some might want a blaze of revenge there are colder, more logical minds working on this who are only too well aware that they need action(s) that wouldn't startle the world enough to give Kiev a valid excuse for all out war blamed on the Russians.

I would have thought that much more likely was something that just sent a clear message to those who needed to receive it. So, action not too much out of the ordinary to and fro in the ATO, like a strike targetted at a UA HQ with immediate withdrawal, a single salvo that eliminates lots of 'gear', or an ammo dump or three mysteriously going up. Definitely not civilian or infrastructure. You get the idea.

Well, he speaks from anger and certainly no cities are going to be leveled, and it is not needed. I was just going to post something similar to what you suggest about hitting high value ukrops military targets. I would also say that a demonstration of force needs to be made in the south. Minsk is a sick joke, both sides have no faith in it, so ukrops nonsense in the south should be stopped by local heavy riposte that will have them shitting themselves and running to Mariupol. Of course some may say that to do anything is what Kiev/Washington wants, well, doing nothing has acheived nothing. Time to call the bluff and hit these bastards, not limited counter battery fire and harsh words, but hammer them with proper counter attack and force them to either stop these attacks or to lauch their offensive so they can then be fully defeated along the entire front, and as far west as is needed to make sure of proper victory.

Givi is badly struggling with his emotions...

Khepesh wrote:Givi is badly struggling with his emotions...

You have to feel sorry for the guy. He was just doing the best he could for everyone around him and now he is almost certainly a marked man, never knowing if today is his last. Some believe they live a stressed life, they should try his now.

Funeral and burial of Motorola will take place in Donetsk this Wednesday.

RIP Motorola, true war hero. He is a legend of Donbass.