Brazil Political Crisis

India is next. Due to Modi.

NationalRus wrote:more like under attack by there own corrupt incompetence

Which is par for the course as much as PTB is concerned, they became like any other regime in LatAm, corrupt and daft. But the people who are "impeaching" Dilma belong all on the short end of a rope.

Especially the fuckers who now claim to be super clean and upholding the law. It's a murkier, dirtier less bloody variant of Chile's 73 "adventure".

KoTeMoRe wrote:

NationalRus wrote:more like under attack by there own corrupt incompetence

Which is par for the course as much as PTB is concerned, they became like any other regime in LatAm, corrupt and daft. But the people who are "impeaching" Dilma belong all on the short end of a rope.

Especially the fuckers who now claim to be super clean and upholding the law. It's a murkier, dirtier less bloody variant of Chile's 73 "adventure".

Ironically enough as Pepe Escobar has pointed out that the names of the people leading the prosecution are directly mentioned in the Panama papers, with illegal offshore accounts and all. Expect them not to go after their own as a clear sign of the 'validity' of their anti-corruption campaign...

George1 wrote:In any case Lula is the favorite for the next presidential election. Brazil isnt lost

Now that the impeachment process has been bungled up, even à dead beggar is favorite.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

George1 wrote:In any case Lula is the favorite for the next presidential election. Brazil isnt lost

Now that the impeachment process has been bungled up, even à dead beggar is favorite.

What do you mean?

magnumcromagnon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

George1 wrote:In any case Lula is the favorite for the next presidential election. Brazil isnt lost

Now that the impeachment process has been bungled up, even à dead beggar is favorite.

What do you mean?

I mean that now the "conservative" forces of white, "middle class" (read rich), catholic brazilians have unleashed their poison, the massive weight of poor and real middle class people are going to be put in this mess. The country is going back to the 70's and 80's class warfare elections and this time both sides are in for a vengeance.

So the "left" could present a dead beggar and still win this.


Also this is the direct consequence of a political process of "tolerance" towards outgoing regimes. Put in place by them selves. We know this in Spain, Chile, Argentina (although less so), Portugal, Greece etc. The moment you let the old system survive, it's the moment you sign your death warrant.

One could include Russia in there, but unlike here, Russian situation is actually an improvement over "old regime" kleptocrats. Off course it's not optimal.

sepheronx wrote:India is next. Due to Modi.

I had the impression that Modi is liked by his people. Care to explain some more?

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

sepheronx wrote:India is next. Due to Modi.

I had the impression that Modi is liked by his people. Care to explain some more?

Same old concept of two party structure in India (BJP vs Congress). Issue is that India is well known for sitting on two seats and currently even gave away its sovereignty to the United States by allowing the US military to use Indian airspace, especially if they need to conduct operations against other countries. This was determined by the so called "threat" from China. But essentially India now has effectively pissed off all of its neighbors as this could be used against China, Pakistan or Iran. As well, India is doing business with the Devil himself, trying to obtain weapons that are also sold to its enemy Pakistan while nations who actually gave preference to India like Russia, hesitated and even refused to sell much to Pakistan. This in turn will give Russia incentive to start actually investing and building up Pakistan to help counter any buildup of US in the region as well. This also goes for China too who will use its influence to build up Pakistan more, further possibly destabilizing the region.

People who I talk to and various others even seen online (my wife included) were major Modi/BJP fans. But now are seeing him as a western agent, which comes as something funny since it was the US who refused to give Modi a visa in the past. So many may feel he isn't exactly responsible (which makes sense) but all of his fellow subordinates are the ones to be blamed. And it could be his undoing as people have openly complained about him. I think Aap Party will end up being in power one day actually. That may not be good either. Who knows.

sepheronx wrote:Same old concept of two party structure in India (BJP vs Congress).  Issue is that India is well known for sitting on two seats and currently even gave away its sovereignty to the United States by allowing the US military to use Indian airspace, especially if they need to conduct operations against other countries.  This was determined by the so called "threat" from China.  But essentially India now has effectively pissed off all of its neighbors as this could be used against China, Pakistan or Iran.  As well, India is doing business with the Devil himself, trying to obtain weapons that are also sold to its enemy Pakistan while nations who actually gave preference to India like Russia, hesitated and even refused to sell much to Pakistan.  This in turn will give Russia incentive to start actually investing and building up Pakistan to help counter any buildup of US in the region as well.  This also goes for China too who will use its influence to build up Pakistan more, further possibly destabilizing the region.

People who I talk to and various others even seen online (my wife included) were major Modi/BJP fans.  But now are seeing him as a western agent, which comes as something funny since it was the US who refused to give Modi a visa in the past.  So many may feel he isn't exactly responsible (which makes sense) but all of his fellow subordinates are the ones to be blamed.  And it could be his undoing as people have openly complained about him.  I think Aap Party will end up being in power one day actually.  That may not be good either.  Who knows.

Interesting, so Modi is kind of like a Yanukovich figure in the sense that he is trying to play all sides?

Are you affected by the fires by the way?

Yea, kinda like Yanukovich.  Probably best comparison.

No, I am not as Calgary is far south from Fort Mac.  But with 88,000 people evacuated and Weed Man Justin not wanting any help, I guess when it comes time for volunteers, I will make my way up north.  I was gonna go head to Edmonton to let my family spend time at the mall and I would go see about any need for volunteering but I heard it is heptic up there due to massive amounts of people that were evacuated to there, and major lineups and other issues, so I will do most of what I can from here (I will be donating food and money if need be).

Wikileaks Confirms: Brazil's New President Is a US Asset

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Same old concept of two party structure in India (BJP vs Congress).  Issue is that India is well known for sitting on two seats and currently even gave away its sovereignty to the United States by allowing the US military to use Indian airspace, especially if they need to conduct operations against other countries.  This was determined by the so called "threat" from China.  But essentially India now has effectively pissed off all of its neighbors as this could be used against China, Pakistan or Iran.  As well, India is doing business with the Devil himself, trying to obtain weapons that are also sold to its enemy Pakistan while nations who actually gave preference to India like Russia, hesitated and even refused to sell much to Pakistan.  This in turn will give Russia incentive to start actually investing and building up Pakistan to help counter any buildup of US in the region as well.  This also goes for China too who will use its influence to build up Pakistan more, further possibly destabilizing the region.

People who I talk to and various others even seen online (my wife included) were major Modi/BJP fans.  But now are seeing him as a western agent, which comes as something funny since it was the US who refused to give Modi a visa in the past.  So many may feel he isn't exactly responsible (which makes sense) but all of his fellow subordinates are the ones to be blamed.  And it could be his undoing as people have openly complained about him.  I think Aap Party will end up being in power one day actually.  That may not be good either.  Who knows.

Interesting, so Modi is kind of like a Yanukovich figure in the sense that he is trying to play all sides?

Are you affected by the fires by the way?

not at all. There is no way you can organize a soft coup in India. unlike genius ukies indians are not that gullible. Better consult an indian for such queries

max steel wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Same old concept of two party structure in India (BJP vs Congress).  Issue is that India is well known for sitting on two seats and currently even gave away its sovereignty to the United States by allowing the US military to use Indian airspace, especially if they need to conduct operations against other countries.  This was determined by the so called "threat" from China.  But essentially India now has effectively pissed off all of its neighbors as this could be used against China, Pakistan or Iran.  As well, India is doing business with the Devil himself, trying to obtain weapons that are also sold to its enemy Pakistan while nations who actually gave preference to India like Russia, hesitated and even refused to sell much to Pakistan.  This in turn will give Russia incentive to start actually investing and building up Pakistan to help counter any buildup of US in the region as well.  This also goes for China too who will use its influence to build up Pakistan more, further possibly destabilizing the region.

People who I talk to and various others even seen online (my wife included) were major Modi/BJP fans.  But now are seeing him as a western agent, which comes as something funny since it was the US who refused to give Modi a visa in the past.  So many may feel he isn't exactly responsible (which makes sense) but all of his fellow subordinates are the ones to be blamed.  And it could be his undoing as people have openly complained about him.  I think Aap Party will end up being in power one day actually.  That may not be good either.  Who knows.

Interesting, so Modi is kind of like a Yanukovich figure in the sense that he is trying to play all sides?

Are you affected by the fires by the way?

not at all. There is no way you can organize a soft coup in India. unlike genius ukies indians are not that gullible. Better consult an indian for such queries

Since you are on the ground in India, give me your opinion on this: According to my wife, she thinks Modi wont get a second term cause everyone is pissed off since he is now backtracking on a lot of his promises and hasn't successfully done anything. What is your opinion on this?

kvs wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Wikileaks Confirms: Brazil's New President Is a US Asset

In a rational system the only ones who should be able to impeach a leader are the electorate.   Not some corrupt
legislative branch clowns.   This whole farce is nothing more than a coup.   It means exactly zero that the impeachers
were elected themselves.   The voters never surrendered their right to decide who is their leader.   They were robbed
by rigged system.

Well Pepe Escobar was proven right, a lot of people in this thread scoffed and downplayed the idea if this being a U.S. State dept. coup, now their left with egg on their face.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

They blame Brasil for the fall of BRICS. It was caused by China and their commodity boom bust cycle. They sucker us into expanding production and they fall into a debt crisis for Ponzi finance.

Vladimir79 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

They blame Brasil for the fall of BRICS. It was caused by China and their commodity boom bust cycle.  They sucker us into expanding production and they fall into a debt crisis for Ponzi finance.  

Yellow Peril my god...

Guys what the actual fu**? BRICS this and that...There's only two issue with Brazil. They had a very poor investment level. That they tried to get better, while having a "socialist" Gov. Meanwhile, they were in the middle of Subprimes Cyclon, that they put under the rug by simply Having higher IR and counting on that to cover the expense. The problem is that those IR pushed the credit boom (for housing for instance) up which in return started collapsing slowly. Enter the oil glut which sent every thing down. Main brazilian exports were outmatched with main Brazilian imports. It's the worsening of the terms of the trade that makes for a trifecta of a recession. China has NOTHING to do with the US fucking up everyone with "debt oil" disease. And all that while they can print their own monkey money.

I would call it RC so far by the path modi tries to walk.