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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:41 pm

    India is next. Due to Modi.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:40 pm

    NationalRus wrote:more like under attack by there own corrupt incompetence

    Which is par for the course as much as PTB is concerned, they became like any other regime in LatAm, corrupt and daft. But the people who are "impeaching" Dilma belong all on the short end of a rope.

    Especially the fuckers who now claim to be super clean and upholding the law. It's a murkier, dirtier less bloody variant of Chile's 73 "adventure".

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:22 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:more like under attack by there own corrupt incompetence

    Which is par for the course as much as PTB is concerned, they became like any other regime in LatAm, corrupt and daft. But the people who are "impeaching" Dilma belong all on the short end of a rope.

    Especially the fuckers who now claim to be super clean and upholding the law. It's a murkier, dirtier less bloody variant of Chile's 73 "adventure".

    Ironically enough as Pepe Escobar has pointed out that the names of the people leading the prosecution are directly mentioned in the Panama papers, with illegal offshore accounts and all. Expect them not to go after their own as a clear sign of the 'validity' of their anti-corruption campaign... Rolling Eyes Wink lol1

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:39 am

    In any case Lula is the favorite for the next presidential election. Brazil isnt lost


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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:47 am

    George1 wrote:In any case Lula is the favorite for the next presidential election. Brazil isnt lost
    Now that the impeachment process has been bungled up, even à dead beggar is favorite.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:12 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    George1 wrote:In any case Lula is the favorite for the next presidential election. Brazil isnt lost
    Now that the impeachment process has been bungled up, even à dead beggar is favorite.

    What do you mean?

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:20 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    George1 wrote:In any case Lula is the favorite for the next presidential election. Brazil isnt lost
    Now that the impeachment process has been bungled up, even à dead beggar is favorite.

    What do you mean?

    I mean that now the "conservative" forces of white, "middle class" (read rich), catholic brazilians have unleashed their poison, the massive weight of poor and real middle class people are going to be put in this mess. The country is going back to the 70's and 80's class warfare elections and this time both sides are in for a vengeance.

    So the "left" could present a dead beggar and still win this.


    Also this is the direct consequence of a political process of "tolerance" towards outgoing regimes. Put in place by them selves. We know this in Spain, Chile, Argentina (although less so), Portugal, Greece etc. The moment you let the old system survive, it's the moment you sign your death warrant.

    One could include Russia in there, but unlike here, Russian situation is actually an improvement over "old regime" kleptocrats. Off course it's not optimal.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  George1 on Tue May 10, 2016 12:58 am

    Brazil Lower House Speaker Annuls Rousseff Impeachment Process

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/latam/20160509/1039323391/btazil-rouseff-impeachment.html#ixzz48CbeIe8P


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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Tue May 10, 2016 7:02 am

    sepheronx wrote:India is next. Due to Modi.
    I had the impression that Modi is liked by his people. Care to explain some more?

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  sepheronx on Tue May 10, 2016 7:10 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:India is next. Due to Modi.
    I had the impression that Modi is liked by his people. Care to explain some more?

    Same old concept of two party structure in India (BJP vs Congress). Issue is that India is well known for sitting on two seats and currently even gave away its sovereignty to the United States by allowing the US military to use Indian airspace, especially if they need to conduct operations against other countries. This was determined by the so called "threat" from China. But essentially India now has effectively pissed off all of its neighbors as this could be used against China, Pakistan or Iran. As well, India is doing business with the Devil himself, trying to obtain weapons that are also sold to its enemy Pakistan while nations who actually gave preference to India like Russia, hesitated and even refused to sell much to Pakistan. This in turn will give Russia incentive to start actually investing and building up Pakistan to help counter any buildup of US in the region as well. This also goes for China too who will use its influence to build up Pakistan more, further possibly destabilizing the region.

    People who I talk to and various others even seen online (my wife included) were major Modi/BJP fans. But now are seeing him as a western agent, which comes as something funny since it was the US who refused to give Modi a visa in the past. So many may feel he isn't exactly responsible (which makes sense) but all of his fellow subordinates are the ones to be blamed. And it could be his undoing as people have openly complained about him. I think Aap Party will end up being in power one day actually. That may not be good either. Who knows.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Tue May 10, 2016 7:18 am

    sepheronx wrote:Same old concept of two party structure in India (BJP vs Congress).  Issue is that India is well known for sitting on two seats and currently even gave away its sovereignty to the United States by allowing the US military to use Indian airspace, especially if they need to conduct operations against other countries.  This was determined by the so called "threat" from China.  But essentially India now has effectively pissed off all of its neighbors as this could be used against China, Pakistan or Iran.  As well, India is doing business with the Devil himself, trying to obtain weapons that are also sold to its enemy Pakistan while nations who actually gave preference to India like Russia, hesitated and even refused to sell much to Pakistan.  This in turn will give Russia incentive to start actually investing and building up Pakistan to help counter any buildup of US in the region as well.  This also goes for China too who will use its influence to build up Pakistan more, further possibly destabilizing the region.

    People who I talk to and various others even seen online (my wife included) were major Modi/BJP fans.  But now are seeing him as a western agent, which comes as something funny since it was the US who refused to give Modi a visa in the past.  So many may feel he isn't exactly responsible (which makes sense) but all of his fellow subordinates are the ones to be blamed.  And it could be his undoing as people have openly complained about him.  I think Aap Party will end up being in power one day actually.  That may not be good either.  Who knows.

    Interesting, so Modi is kind of like a Yanukovich figure in the sense that he is trying to play all sides?

    Are you affected by the fires by the way?

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  sepheronx on Tue May 10, 2016 7:47 am

    Yea, kinda like Yanukovich.  Probably best comparison.

    No, I am not as Calgary is far south from Fort Mac.  But with 88,000 people evacuated and Weed Man Justin not wanting any help, I guess when it comes time for volunteers, I will make my way up north.  I was gonna go head to Edmonton to let my family spend time at the mall and I would go see about any need for volunteering but I heard it is heptic up there due to massive amounts of people that were evacuated to there, and major lineups and other issues, so I will do most of what I can from here (I will be donating food and money if need be).

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  George1 on Thu May 12, 2016 1:11 pm

    Brazilian Senate Temporarily Suspends President Rousseff From Office

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/latam/20160512/1039485384/brazil-president-office.html#ixzz48RH3xKm7


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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 13, 2016 7:22 pm

    Wikileaks Confirms: Brazil's New President Is a US Asset

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  kvs on Sat May 14, 2016 2:02 am

    sepheronx wrote:Wikileaks Confirms: Brazil's New President Is a US Asset

    In a rational system the only ones who should be able to impeach a leader are the electorate.   Not some corrupt
    legislative branch clowns.   This whole farce is nothing more than a coup.   It means exactly zero that the impeachers
    were elected themselves.   The voters never surrendered their right to decide who is their leader.   They were robbed
    by rigged system.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  max steel on Sat May 14, 2016 2:06 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Same old concept of two party structure in India (BJP vs Congress).  Issue is that India is well known for sitting on two seats and currently even gave away its sovereignty to the United States by allowing the US military to use Indian airspace, especially if they need to conduct operations against other countries.  This was determined by the so called "threat" from China.  But essentially India now has effectively pissed off all of its neighbors as this could be used against China, Pakistan or Iran.  As well, India is doing business with the Devil himself, trying to obtain weapons that are also sold to its enemy Pakistan while nations who actually gave preference to India like Russia, hesitated and even refused to sell much to Pakistan.  This in turn will give Russia incentive to start actually investing and building up Pakistan to help counter any buildup of US in the region as well.  This also goes for China too who will use its influence to build up Pakistan more, further possibly destabilizing the region.

    People who I talk to and various others even seen online (my wife included) were major Modi/BJP fans.  But now are seeing him as a western agent, which comes as something funny since it was the US who refused to give Modi a visa in the past.  So many may feel he isn't exactly responsible (which makes sense) but all of his fellow subordinates are the ones to be blamed.  And it could be his undoing as people have openly complained about him.  I think Aap Party will end up being in power one day actually.  That may not be good either.  Who knows.

    Interesting, so Modi is kind of like a Yanukovich figure in the sense that he is trying to play all sides?

    Are you affected by the fires by the way?


    not at all. There is no way you can organize a soft coup in India. unlike genius ukies indians are not that gullible. Better consult an indian for such queries Wink

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 14, 2016 3:38 am

    max steel wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Same old concept of two party structure in India (BJP vs Congress).  Issue is that India is well known for sitting on two seats and currently even gave away its sovereignty to the United States by allowing the US military to use Indian airspace, especially if they need to conduct operations against other countries.  This was determined by the so called "threat" from China.  But essentially India now has effectively pissed off all of its neighbors as this could be used against China, Pakistan or Iran.  As well, India is doing business with the Devil himself, trying to obtain weapons that are also sold to its enemy Pakistan while nations who actually gave preference to India like Russia, hesitated and even refused to sell much to Pakistan.  This in turn will give Russia incentive to start actually investing and building up Pakistan to help counter any buildup of US in the region as well.  This also goes for China too who will use its influence to build up Pakistan more, further possibly destabilizing the region.

    People who I talk to and various others even seen online (my wife included) were major Modi/BJP fans.  But now are seeing him as a western agent, which comes as something funny since it was the US who refused to give Modi a visa in the past.  So many may feel he isn't exactly responsible (which makes sense) but all of his fellow subordinates are the ones to be blamed.  And it could be his undoing as people have openly complained about him.  I think Aap Party will end up being in power one day actually.  That may not be good either.  Who knows.

    Interesting, so Modi is kind of like a Yanukovich figure in the sense that he is trying to play all sides?

    Are you affected by the fires by the way?


    not at all. There is no way you can organize a soft coup in India. unlike genius ukies indians are not that gullible. Better consult an indian for such queries Wink

    Since you are on the ground in India, give me your opinion on this: According to my wife, she thinks Modi wont get a second term cause everyone is pissed off since he is now backtracking on a lot of his promises and hasn't successfully done anything. What is your opinion on this?

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 14, 2016 6:02 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Wikileaks Confirms: Brazil's New President Is a US Asset

    In a rational system the only ones who should be able to impeach a leader are the electorate.   Not some corrupt
    legislative branch clowns.   This whole farce is nothing more than a coup.   It means exactly zero that the impeachers
    were elected themselves.   The voters never surrendered their right to decide who is their leader.   They were robbed
    by rigged system.

    Well Pepe Escobar was proven right, a lot of people in this thread scoffed and downplayed the idea if this being a U.S. State dept. coup, now their left with egg on their face.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat May 14, 2016 7:02 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    They blame Brasil for the fall of BRICS. It was caused by China and their commodity boom bust cycle. They sucker us into expanding production and they fall into a debt crisis for Ponzi finance.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 14, 2016 11:54 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    They blame Brasil for the fall of BRICS. It was caused by China and their commodity boom bust cycle.  They sucker us into expanding production and they fall into a debt crisis for Ponzi finance.  

    Yellow Peril my god... lol1

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat May 14, 2016 12:13 pm

    Guys what the actual fu**? BRICS this and that...There's only two issue with Brazil. They had a very poor investment level. That they tried to get better, while having a "socialist" Gov. Meanwhile, they were in the middle of Subprimes Cyclon, that they put under the rug by simply Having higher IR and counting on that to cover the expense. The problem is that those IR pushed the credit boom (for housing for instance) up which in return started collapsing slowly. Enter the oil glut which sent every thing down. Main brazilian exports were outmatched with main Brazilian imports. It's the worsening of the terms of the trade that makes for a trifecta of a recession. China has NOTHING to do with the US fucking up everyone with "debt oil" disease. And all that while they can print their own monkey money.

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    Post  kvs on Sat May 14, 2016 2:31 pm

    I am afraid Latin America is going to be a Yankee toilet for as long as Uncle Scam is around. BRICS is some acronym
    concocted by a NATO entity. The real core of BRICS is RIC. Even South Africa is a dubious "partner".

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat May 14, 2016 3:17 pm

    I would call it RC so far by the path modi tries to walk.

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    Post  George1 on Sat May 14, 2016 3:27 pm

    Brazil isnt lost is my opinion. Other parties politicians are far more corrupt and if we have early elections (which would be ideal) Lula would win for sure


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