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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue May 24, 2016 6:23 pm

    NationalRus wrote:justice? nah, somebody doing the same is not a argument for absolution of your own wrongdoing , just a corrupt unpopular leftist that got what was coming for here and what the future brings time will tell might be lessons will be learned, maybe only to some extend, maybe not at all

    But it's not a leftist government...if you don't know much about Brazil, then let the grown ups discuss.

    This is a centrist government with a right wing economical agenda. Gone are the Days of Lula Palooza.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  NationalRus on Tue May 24, 2016 7:49 pm

    center-left is the new far right? lmao
    socialist party president in reality a "right wing" nationalist in disguise maybe? what drugs are you on and why the fuck did you bring economic policy's in a country with a corruption issue in the first place, a attempt to make some point?

    bitch is gone period, now maybe brazil can drift to the center maybe

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue May 24, 2016 8:26 pm

    NationalRus wrote:center-left is the new far right? lmao
    socialist party president in reality a "right wing" nationalist in disguise maybe? what drugs are you on and why the fuck did you bring economic policy's in a country with a corruption issue in the first place, a attempt to make some point?

    bitch is gone period, now maybe brazil can drift to the center maybe

    Center Left? Half the damn cabinet are former Ditatura golden boys.

    PSD= Right wing.
    PR= Right wing
    PMDB= "Centrist" right wing.
    PRB=Right wing
    PP=Right wing.

    All these "Left wing" parties have 194 seats out of the 304 majority seats.

    Sit down boy. Ah corruption issues...hahah, because that corruption is a left wing one? Maybe you should fucking read your own sentences, before posting. There's a systemic corruption scheme since Brazil became a Republic. There's a systemic corruption scheme among the latifundias in Brazil and the extraction industry. There's a corruption and fiscal evasion scheme among Brazilian banks. Especially since they were mostly in the hands of US groups.

    Dilma has been impeached for the same things this government will be lauded. Living out of borrowed money.

    Now yeah you can spin this shit the way you want, it won't matter?

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  George1 on Wed May 25, 2016 3:32 am

    Brazilian Minister Romero Juca Steps Down After Being Traced to Coup Plot

    The official conspired with other prominent Brazilians to oust the sitting president, in order to distract attention away from an ongoing corruption probe in which he was implicated.

    On Monday, Brazil’s Planning Minister Romero Juca announced that he will step down in the wake of released tapes implicating him and former Petrobras subsidiary Transperto President Sergio Machado in plotting a coup against Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, only weeks before impeachment proceedings against the country’s embattled president began.

    The two officials discussed "changing" the government in order to "stop the bleeding" associated with the Car Wash Corruption probe, in which both Juca and Machado were implicated. The two believed that, with the ouster of President Rousseff and the formation of a Temer-led government, the possibility existed to reach a “national pact” to terminate the ongoing corruption probe.

    The impeachment effort against the suspended President Rousseff is ongoing. Earlier this month, the country’s leader was suspended for 180 days pending a full impeachment trial, and power was transferred to interim leader Michel Temer, who looks to advance economic reforms including privatizing natural resources and severe austerity measures.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/news/20160523/1040125441/romero-juca-brazil-coup-dilma.html#ixzz49cwESTtR


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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  NationalRus on Wed May 25, 2016 1:45 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Center Left? Half the damn cabinet are former Ditatura golden boys.

    PSD= Right wing.
    PR= Right wing
    PMDB= "Centrist" right wing.
    PRB=Right wing
    PP=Right wing.

    All these "Left wing" parties have 194 seats out of the 304 majority seats.

    Sit down boy. Ah corruption issues...hahah, because that corruption is a left wing one? Maybe you should fucking read your own sentences, before posting. There's a systemic corruption scheme since Brazil became a Republic. There's a systemic corruption scheme among the latifundias in Brazil and the extraction industry. There's a corruption and fiscal evasion scheme among Brazilian banks. Especially since they were mostly in the hands of US groups.

    Dilma has been impeached for the same things this government will be lauded. Living out of borrowed money.

    Now yeah you can spin this shit the way you want, it won't matter?

    Hahahah kid NONE of this partys are RIGHT WING all centrist slightly conservative while I was talking about the head of state and the party ruling this coalition which is a far leftist communist socialist party and their leftist communist liberal democratic head of state

    brazil is fuckd up = doesn't mater what she did absolve here



    cute how sorry everybody feels for some leftist SJW globalist twat, was she some ultra pro-russian ally for all the tears? cry cry cry should i feel now sorry for here or what? Smile  at least the venezuelan lunatics actively try to "give us head" on every turn

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 25, 2016 2:27 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Center Left? Half the damn cabinet are former Ditatura golden boys.

    PSD= Right wing.
    PR= Right wing
    PMDB= "Centrist" right wing.
    PRB=Right wing
    PP=Right wing.

    All these "Left wing" parties have 194 seats out of the 304 majority seats.

    Sit down boy. Ah corruption issues...hahah, because that corruption is a left wing one? Maybe you should fucking read your own sentences, before posting. There's a systemic corruption scheme since Brazil became a Republic. There's a systemic corruption scheme among the latifundias in Brazil and the extraction industry. There's a corruption and fiscal evasion scheme among Brazilian banks. Especially since they were mostly in the hands of US groups.

    Dilma has been impeached for the same things this government will be lauded. Living out of borrowed money.

    Now yeah you can spin this shit the way you want, it won't matter?

    Hahahah kid NONE of this partys are RIGHT WING all centrist slightly conservative while I was talking about the head of state and the party ruling this coalition which is a far leftist communist socialist party and their leftist communist liberal democratic head of state

    brazil is fuckd up = doesn't mater what she did absolve here



    cute how sorry everybody feels for some leftist SJW globalist twat, was she some ultra pro-russian ally for all the tears? cry cry cry should i feel now sorry for here or what?  Smile  at least the venezuelan lunatics actively try to "give us head" on every turn

    Heh, as I told you before, this isn't about me "crying". It has to do with you sputtering about "leftists" decaying "pure" Brazil. All those parties are right wing groups made out of Ditatura people that just went "democratic". Actually the PTB is in minority since 2014 (they had only 70 seats in of the 304 to start with). It's frankly a bad case of "MSM" diharrea calling this government "leftist". Head of state in Brazil is lame-duck (just like LULA was) because Brasil changed a lot of its executive structure. To block Lula from wielding real power.

    But she doesn't do anything, that's the fucking problem. She was denied borrowing, and then the government let the economical situation rot. Now we hear that she drove the country into recession...while it was the no vote that clearly made the situation worse.

    I'm not adressing her merits, or woes, I'm just laughing at your partisan choices regarding Brazil. Because now Brazil is sure to choke...and you're going to applaud it, kid.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  George1 on Wed May 25, 2016 2:43 pm

    The government's coalition is true that has many centrist and right parties but the main force is PT (Workers Party) from which all the presidents come from 2002 and on. Communist party of Brazil is also in the coalition


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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 25, 2016 2:58 pm

    George1 wrote:The government's coalition is true that has many centrist and right parties but the main force is PT (Workers Party) from which all the presidents come from 2002 and on. Communist party of Brazil is also in the coalition

    Which means nothing when you consider power parity. PTB lost 18 seats from 2010. It lost From 2002 about 57 seats. Basically it ceased to be the main force behind the majority since 2010 as most of the seats in the coalition were from "center-right"...

    Yes communist party is in Coalition, yet that Coalition is in "Centrist hands"...And ironically it is this state of affairs that blocked Brazil.


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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  NationalRus on Wed May 25, 2016 3:40 pm

    duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudeeeee were did i say brazil was "pure" qoute me on that, were did i even say i LIKE brazil? i dont give a fuck about brazil but when people to the hundreds of thousands go out to protest against the goverment for LEGITIMATE reasons and forum smart-ass jerks whine about how they all are bunch of idiots and blahblahblah and they should STFU and blahblah look at other countrys and CIA MOSSAD blahblah that well triggers me

    i dont give a damn what happens in brazil, but i sure like to see the wicked leftist suffer and see people getting their voice heard all the way up to the top, dont put words in my mouth i didnt say and didnt implied

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 25, 2016 3:52 pm

    NationalRus wrote:duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudeeeee were did i say brazil was "pure" qoute me on that, were did i even say i LIKE brazil? i dont give a fuck about brazil but when people to the hundreds of thousands go out to protest against the goverment for LEGITIMATE reasons and forum smart-ass jerks whine about how they all are bunch of idiots and blahblahblah and they should STFU and blahblah look at other countrys and CIA MOSSAD blahblah that well triggers me

    i dont give a damn what happens in brazil, but i sure like to see the wicked leftist suffer and see people getting their voice heard all the way up to the top, dont put words in my mouth i didnt say and didnt implied


    Hundreds of thousands people do also go out and protested on Maidan...you retard squaker...howza going in Ukraine today. Millions marched in Egypt, howza going in Egypt?

    Nothing triggers you obviously more than the truth. The public was manipulated to "protest", as tapes are showing and as the general political swing is showing. Nevermind the reality and characters we're speaking about.

    Voices heard, like what?

    The politics that Dilma initiated especially since 2014, will be maintained, there's nothing that is going to change. You said that people's voice will be heard, I'm denying it and the facts on the ground are proving it. Current president is same old, same old.

    It's simple you right wing Pinochet cock-suckers haven't got the memo, your kind has, is and will destroy LatAm.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 25, 2016 3:55 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudeeeee were did i say brazil was "pure" qoute me on that, were did i even say i LIKE brazil? i dont give a fuck about brazil but when people to the hundreds of thousands go out to protest against the goverment for LEGITIMATE reasons and forum smart-ass jerks whine about how they all are bunch of idiots and blahblahblah and they should STFU and blahblah look at other countrys and CIA MOSSAD blahblah that well triggers me

    i dont give a damn what happens in brazil, but i sure like to see the wicked leftist suffer and see people getting their voice heard all the way up to the top, dont put words in my mouth i didnt say and didnt implied


    Hundreds of thousands people do also go out and protested on Maidan...you retard squaker...howza going in Ukraine today. Millions marched in Egypt, howza going in Egypt?

    Nothing triggers you obviously more than the truth. The public was manipulated to "protest", as tapes are showing and as the general political swing is showing. Nevermind the reality and characters we're speaking about.

    Voices heard, like what?

    The politics that Dilma initiated especially since 2014, will be maintained, there's nothing that is going to change. You said that people's voice will be heard, I'm denying it and the facts on the ground are proving it. Current president is same old, same old.

    It's simple you right wing Pinochet cock-suckers haven't got the memo, your kind has, is and will destroy LatAm.

    So true. Idiots protest and just makes things worst for themselves.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  NationalRus on Wed May 25, 2016 4:11 pm

    fucktard what the people make out of ther country and protest is another thing, maidan had legitimate reasons like corruption till it was hijacked thats not a reason to STFU and take it up the ASS by the regime, its for brazilians to decide what happens in their country and what they will make out of it.

    you leftist scum keep destroying not on latin america but the whole world, funny fact chile thanks to pinochet evil reforms its the most free economy in latin america, with the 4th highes gdp per capita including USA and canada in the americas and the highest quality of life in whole latin america.

    cry your tears leftist scum, this thread ain't gone be so rosy with your SJW dog gone



    lol1 lol1

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  George1 on Wed May 25, 2016 5:19 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    George1 wrote:The government's coalition is true that has many centrist and right parties but the main force is PT (Workers Party) from which all the presidents come from 2002 and on. Communist party of Brazil is also in the coalition

    Which means nothing when you consider power parity. PTB lost 18 seats from 2010. It lost From 2002 about 57 seats. Basically it ceased to be the main force behind the majority since 2010 as most of the seats in the coalition were from "center-right"...

    Yes communist party is in Coalition, yet that Coalition is in "Centrist hands"...And ironically it is this state of affairs that blocked Brazil.


    it seems u have right, the seats of coalition now are:

    Worker's Party (Left wing) 57
    PMDB (Centrist) 68
    Progressive Party (Centre-right) 47
    Social Democratic Party (Centre-right) 36
    Republic Party (Centre-right) 40
    Brazilian Republican Party (Centre-right) 21
    Democratic Labour Party (Centre-left) 19
    Republican Party of the Social Order (Centre-right) 6
    Communist Party of Brazil (Communist) 10

    so total left parties (PT, PDT, PCoB) = 86 seats
    centre-right, right parties = 218 seats

    only 28% of governing coalition seats is "left wing"


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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  Regular on Wed May 25, 2016 5:22 pm

    Yah maidan was cool until pseudonationalists (actually fascist shits) took over. Plus Ukrainians are Ukrainians. Russia was OK with maidan until SHTF and all the Eurocrap poured in and started supporting then hinjacked movement. Egypt is better than it was under muxlim bro'hood. Planes explode but meh can't be worse than for Mallaysians

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 25, 2016 5:37 pm

    NationalRus wrote:fucktard what the people make out of ther country and protest is another thing, maidan had legitimate reasons like corruption till it was hijacked thats not a reason to STFU and take it up the ASS by the regime, its for brazilians to decide what happens in their country and what they will make out of it.

    you leftist scum keep destroying not on latin america but the whole world, funny fact chile thanks to pinochet evil reforms its the most free economy in latin america, with the 4th highes gdp per capita including USA and canada in the americas and the highest quality of life in whole latin america.

    cry your tears leftist scum, this thread ain't gone be so rosy with your SJW dog gone



    lol1 lol1

    Maidan had no legitimate reason whatsoever. It's simple math, if you have 5 cows, but to get better you have to kill 6, then you're not making things better, but worse.
    Same things for Egypt, for Tunisia or Syria.

    Regime which one, el retardo? The one that is skimming IMF loans or the one that was not even getting them? Corruption in country within and identity crisis? Say it ain't so durak?

    Hahahah, Chile was bankrupt thrice when Pinochet stepped down ,that's why he stepped down by the way. The Dollarization of the economy completely destroyed Chilean Industry (ironically it did the same with UK and on a lesser extent US).

    Best part of today's Chile? It's the current most efficient LatAM fiscal paradise and money laundering machine. In ten years Chile had grown it's GDP by 4 (400%). Not even China has been able to do that. And this was the 90's...

    Also, I don't care about Dilma, i care about people who are easily swept away by bona fide retards like yourself promoting "Aryan values" among "brown" people...Yeah sure Brazil is going forward...anyday now.


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    The Aylwin administration acknowledged the "social debt" owed to those who have yet to benefit from the economic "miracle," and made poverty alleviation a priority. The number of people officially defined as living in poverty dropped from 5 million to 4 million, in a country of 13 million, partly as a result of increases in the minimum wage and pensions and increased government expenditures on social services, and partly due to economic growth which decreased unemployment.

    Nevertheless, poverty rates remain much worse than before the neoliberals took over national economic policy. From 1970 to the early 1990s, the percentage of households living below the poverty and indigence lines skyrocketed. In 1970, before Pinochet took power, 17 percent of Chilean household incomes were below the poverty line; by 1990, the rate had doubled, with 35 percent of the households living in poverty; and in 1992 it was still 33.5 percent. After 10 straight years of economic growth, income distribution figures show little improvement.

    Poverty in Chile is caused not so much by unemployment as precarious employment and low wages. As a result of labor's weak bargaining power, wage increases have continually lagged behind productivity gains. While the centrist and leftist political parties promoted "growth with equity" as an economic strategy during the 1960s and early 1970s, today "growth with stability" is the Concertación's mantra.

    The Concertación considers its reform of the labor legislation inherited from the dictatorship one of its major accomplishments. The government lifted the 60-day limit on strikes, and unions are now allowed to join in confederations. But the government denied organized labor's principal demand, obligatory collective bargaining at the industry level, rather than at the firm level, and legal obstacles continue to impede efforts to rebuild the union movement. José Piñera, author of the 1979 Labor Plan, called the Plan a building that could not be burned down, and indeed the basic structure is still standing.

    That organized labor has made such limited gains since the transition reflects in part the weakness of labor as a movement. Unions have only recently begun to rebuild at the base, and with mixed results. Between 1989 and 1991, workers formed thousands of new unions, but many other unions are no longer active. In 1993, 13.1 percent of the Chilean labor force was unionized, up from 9.8 percent in 1988, but a decline from 1991's 14.5 percent membership level. Many of the new unions, fruit of the high hopes and enthusiasm of the transition period, have found that collective negotiations were not very successful. The bulk of firm-level unions, the only type of union with which employers must negotiate, have only 25 to 50 members, and correspondingly little power.

    The Concertación's strategy of elite negotiation and social demobilization has led to a stable transition period, yet one marked by few concessions from the Right or big business. While Chile under Aylwin saw some major strikes, especially by state and state-enterprise workers such as teachers, health workers and copper miners, on the whole, the Aylwin years were far more remarkable for their stability than for conflict.


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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed May 25, 2016 6:59 pm

    Regular wrote:Yah maidan was cool until pseudonationalists (actually fascist shits) took over. Plus Ukrainians are Ukrainians. Russia was OK with maidan until SHTF and all the Eurocrap poured in and started supporting then hinjacked movement. Egypt is better than it was under muxlim bro'hood. Planes explode but meh can't be worse than for Mallaysians

    What are you talking about, the entire maidan started because (western) Ukraine wanted the "European integration"crap.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  kvs on Thu May 26, 2016 12:52 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Regular wrote:Yah maidan was cool until pseudonationalists (actually fascist shits) took over. Plus Ukrainians are Ukrainians. Russia was OK with maidan until SHTF and all the Eurocrap poured in and started supporting then hinjacked movement. Egypt is better than it was under muxlim bro'hood. Planes explode but meh can't be worse than for Mallaysians

    What are you talking about, the entire maidan started because (western) Ukraine wanted the "European integration"crap.

    They wanted a free lunch and were jealous of Russia for actually having its shit together. Ukrainian inadequacy is an epic societal
    fail. They will be swirling the toilet bowl of failure for as long as they act like a bunch of self-entitled welfare bums who believe the
    world owes them something and that they don't have to work to have the good life.

    There are just different shades of the same shit pile in Ukraine. And as they say in Ukraine, Russia should not disturb the shit or it
    will smell (ne zachipai himno, to bude smerdete).

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu May 26, 2016 2:04 am

    NationalRus wrote:

    Says the idiot who idolizes "torture goggles".

    Go back into your cave.

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    Post  kvs on Thu May 26, 2016 3:57 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:

    Says the idiot who idolizes "torture goggles".

    Go back into your cave.

    He just worships the Banderites in Kiev as the ideal. Nazis who bend over and it take it balls deep from Uncle Scam.
    Considering his love for Pinochet, he is a loyal Uncle Scam bootlick.

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu May 26, 2016 5:22 am

    He is plain and simply a loser. Thats all. Just ignore him, cause he really has nothing to contribute anyway.

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu May 26, 2016 7:10 pm

    sepheronx wrote:He is plain and simply a loser.  Thats all.  Just ignore him, cause he really has nothing to contribute anyway.

    So someone waking up to the double account abuser who claims to be russian while being germano-rus jew living in germany?

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    Post  Project Canada on Mon May 30, 2016 5:26 am


    What is Really Happening in Brazil?

    I was wondering, can Russia and China (since they are the only two countries in BRICS that are resistant to American meddling) set up a joint fund to help set up NGO's in countries like Brazil that will aim to topple pro American governments and install pro BRICS one? The US does this all the time so why not use their own dirty tricks against them?

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon May 30, 2016 11:50 pm

    Project Canada wrote:
    What is Really Happening in Brazil?

    I was wondering, can Russia and China (since they are the only two countries in BRICS that are resistant to American meddling) set up a joint fund to help set up NGO's in countries like Brazil that will aim to topple pro American governments and install pro BRICS one? The US does this all the time so why not use their own dirty tricks against them?
    The idea is good, as long as China and Russia don't ally necessarily with leftism, would be good if a non-ideologized party, with a national interest platform, existed in Latin America in the first place. What is the point of financing corrupt inefficient leftists politicians like Chavez or Kirchner or Lula whose government are doomed from the start? These guys are ready to sink their entire country to remain in power and continue with their ilusory ideologies.

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    Re: Brazil Political Crisis

    Post  George1 on Tue May 31, 2016 12:17 am

    there will be reversals and opportunities in latin america.

    In 70s Peru and Chile under Velasco and Allende aligned with USSR. Now these countries even under leftist goverments are more pro-western.

    Lula in Brazil will sure be elected in 2018 and unless right wing government make any outstanding economic results in Argentina, Kirchnerists will win again in 2019

    In Equador and Bolivia Left is still solid.

    I am afraid only for Venezuela. That right wing when they will win presidency may start a persecution against PSUV politicians including Maduro in a bid to neutralize left for years


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