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    Russian Military Bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan

    Post  RuStepan on Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:17 pm

    MOSCOW, July 30 (RIA Novosti) - Tajikistan wants Russia to start paying to use a military base on its territory and also wants Russian border guards deployed in the country to leave, a leading business daily reported on Thursday.

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is due to arrive in Tajikistan on a two-day official visit on Thursday to discuss bilateral military cooperation, the status of the Russian language in Tajikistan, as well as energy issues.

    Kommersant reported that the issue of paying rent for the 201st military base had been raised by Tajikistan to try and find a bargaining chip with Russia in exchange for financial support amid the global economic downturn. Tajikistan has been badly hit by the slump in global prices for its main exports, cotton and aluminum.

    "Threats of changing the status of our [military] base onto a paid basis...and other steps [President Emomali] Rakhmon has made, create objects for bartering with Russia, which he hopes he can swap for grants and loans," the department director of the Central Asian Institute, Andrei Grozin, was quoted as saying by the daily.

    Grozin said that the collapse of Tajikistan's main exports has made the situation so dire, that Rakhmon has urged Tajiks to store up a two-year supply of food in preparation for hard times.

    Russia currently deploys a military base near the Tajik capital, Dushanbe. The base is home to the 5,000-strong 201st motorized infantry division. It was established in 2005 to provide assistance to Tajik border guards protecting the Tajik-Afghan border.

    Dushanbe is also threatening to ban the use of Russian in public institutions and official documents after criticizing journalists for their poor knowledge of Tajik. Rakhmon has said the ban will promote the development of Tajik and bolster patriotism in the country.

    In the Soviet period, Russian was the lingua franca among the various ethnic groups in Tajikistan and other ex-Soviet republics. Many ethnic Russians have left Tajikistan since the breakup of the Soviet Union and the ensuing civil war, but Russian is still spoken by much of the indigenous population.

    Russian is still an official language in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and it is also widely spoken in Ukraine and some other parts of the former Soviet Union.

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    Re: Russian Military Bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan

    Post  Vladislav on Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:40 am

    Loans are fine, I don't think we should be giving them money for a base we really don't need.

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    Re: Russian Military Bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan

    Post  Viktor on Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:51 pm

    Vladislav wrote:Loans are fine, I don't think we should be giving them money for a base we really don't need.

    By the year 1997 Russia saved Tajikistan ass from invading talibans from witch they could not defend themselves ...

    So Russia had a right response to just withdrawn from state and left it to the talibans as they where never exactly totaly destroyed.

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    Post  Vladislav on Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:46 am

    Viktor wrote:
    Vladislav wrote:Loans are fine, I don't think we should be giving them money for a base we really don't need.

    By the year 1997 Russia saved Tajikistan ass from invading talibans from witch they could not defend themselves ...

    So Russia had a right response to just withdrawn from state and left it to the talibans as they where never exactly totaly destroyed.

    I just don't see the need for a base in Tajikistan when they are going to do oil and gas deals with Western companies. Now they want us to pay for something we don't even want?!? pale

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    Russian Military Bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:43 am

    Russian defense minister says Tajik base still under discussion

    RIA Novosti

    17:32 22/10/2009 MOSCOW, October 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's defense minister said on Thursday the issue of paying rent for a Russian military base in Tajikistan was still being discussed.

    "We have considered two issues - either to continue using the base in the current form or on a paying basis," Anatoly Serdyukov told reporters after talks between the countries' presidents, adding that it was too early to discuss specific figures.

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and his Tajik counterpart Emomali Rakhmon held talks in the Kremlin earlier in the day.

    Serdyukov said the parties were discussing the possibility of the base's paid use by Russia only after 2014.

    In September, the Tajik Defense Ministry denied asking Russia to pay $300 million in rent for the base.

    The 201st Base, Russia's largest base abroad, was established in October 2004, following a deal signed by President Rahmon and the then Russian president, Vladimir Putin.

    The base has about 7,000 personnel, comprising three motorized infantry regiments, a self-propelled artillery regiment, an anti-aircraft missile regiment, and a combat helicopter group.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2009/10/mil-091022-rianovosti04.htm

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    Russia-Kyrgyzstan military and other relations

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:41 am

    Russia to discuss rent for military facilities in Kyrgyzstan
    RIA Novosti

    16:08 23/10/2009 MOSCOW, October 23 (RIA Novosti) - Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has instructed the government to conduct negotiations with Kyrgyzstan on rental payment for Russian military facilities in the Central Asian country in 2009.

    Based on the results of the talks, the Russian Defense Ministry will conclude protocol with the Kyrgyz military.

    Kyrgyzstan currently hosts a Russian airbase in Kant, some 20 kilometers (12 miles) outside the capital, Bishkek, a naval communications center in the village of Chaldovar in the Chui region, and a naval testing site near the city of Karakol, 380 km (240 miles) from Bishkek.

    The Russian Defense Ministry also maintains an automated seismic station in Ichke-Suu (Issyk-Kul region) and a radioseismic laboratory in Mailuu-Sai, which are part of the unified automated system designed to detect the testing and use of nuclear weapons around the world, as well as earthquakes.

    The airbase in Kant was opened in 2003. Some 250 Russian officers and 150 enlisted personnel from Russia's 5th Air Army are deployed at the base, as well as Su-25 Frogfoot strike aircraft and Mi-8 transport helicopters.

    Russia has so far paid annually some $4.5 million to Kyrgyzstan for military bases and also provided Bishkek with military and technical equipment as part of the lease agreements.

    Russia and Kyrgyzstan signed in August a new memorandum on Russian military presence in Kyrgyzstan.

    In line with the memorandum, the republic will extend the lease of the airbase in Kant for 49 years with an automatic extension every 25 years.

    Kyrgyzstan will also host an additional Russian military contingent the size of up to a battalion and a training center in Kyrgyzstan's southern Batken region on the similar terms.

    A definitive agreement detailing the status of the proposed base and Russia's existing Kant base is expected to be signed by November.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2009/10/mil-091023-rianovosti03.htm

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:40 am

    Russia's military airbase in Kyrgyzstan put on high alert

    RIA Novosti

    08/04/201002:28

    MOSCOW, April 8 (RIA Novosti) - Russian airbase in Kyrgyzstan has been put on high alert in the wake of an unrest in the Central Asian country that left at least 47 people killed and some 400 injured, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry said.

    "Due to the unrest in Bishkek military servicemen at the airbase in Kant have been put on high alert. Permission to leave the base has been restricted for the servicemen," he said.

    Protests, initiated in by the country's opposition began in the northwestern Kyrgyz town of Talas on Tuesday spreading to other regions of the country, including the capital Bishkek, on Wednesday. Opposition has declared that it assumed full power in Kyrgyzstan.

    The source added that no incidents have so far been registered near the Russian airbase, which is located some 20 kilometers (12 miles) outside Bishkek.

    The airbase in Kant was opened in 2003. Some 250 Russian officers and 150 enlisted personnel from Russia's 5th Air Army are deployed at the base, as well as Su-25 Frogfoot strike aircraft and Mi-8 transport helicopters.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100408-rianovosti11.htm

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    Re: Russian Military Bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:42 am

    Russia sends paratroopers to its airbase in Kyrgyzstan - General Staff

    RIA Novosti

    08/04/201016:13

    PRAGUE, April 8 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has sent some 150 paratroopers to its Kant airbase in the ex-Soviet Central Asian republic of Kyrgyzstan to ensure the safety of families of Russian military staff, the General Staff chief Nikolay Makarov said.

    "The president has decided to send two companies of paratroopers there and some 150 people have arrived in Kant," Makarov, who is with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Prague for the signing of a new arms cut deal, said.

    Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev has fled capital Bishkek for southern Kyrgyzstan, his powerbase, amid violent protests by opposition in which 74 people were killed and over 500 injured.

    A new provisional government led by former foreign minister, Roza Otunbayeva, said it now controlled the situation in four out of seven regions. But Otunbayeva also said Bakiyev was trying to rally his supporters and organize his comeback.

    In a clear gesture of support for the new government, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin earlier on Thursday spoke on the phone with Otunbayeva, who asked Moscow for economic assistance. Putin said Russia was ready to offer humanitarian aid.

    Russia is the leading political and economic partner of Kyrgyzstan and jealously watches for any efforts by the West to establish its influence in the country. Along with Russia, the United States has a military base in Kyrgyzstan.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100408-rianovosti06.htm

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    Russia - Kyrgyzstan relations, Russian military bases:

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:27 pm

    Kyrgyzstan ready to open Russian, U.S. antiterrorism training centers

    RIA Novosti

    12:18 15/03/2011 BISHKEK, March 15 (RIA Novosti) - Kyrgyzstan is ready to open both a Russian and U.S antiterrorism training center, President Roza Otunbayeva said on Tuesday.

    "Two objects may be created, both U.S. and Russian," Otunbayeva said. "There is nothing bad in this, we should be pragmatists," she continued. "We are ready to get instructions on fighting terrorism, we have no experience in these issues," she added.

    "[Some] constantly try to oppose these countries on our territory," Otunbayeva said. "In Europe and in the United States, I was asked about the relations with Russia," she said. "There is no doubt that Russia is our strategic partner and ally," she said, adding that apart from Russia and the United States, other countries also help to ensure security in the Central Asian country.

    Otunbayeva, who came to power amid large-scale protests that ousted former Kyrgyz president Kurmanbek Bakiyev in April last year, was approved as the country's new leader in a referendum in June.

    The political situation in Kyrgyzstan stabilized after the country elected a new parliament and approved Otunbayeva as president for a transitional period until 2012.

    Kyrgyzstan hosts a U.S. transit center on the territory of Manas Airport in the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek. The base serves as a major transit point for supplying troops in Afghanistan. It also hosts a fleet of coalition aerial tankers for fighters' refueling and surveillance aircraft used in Afghanistan.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2011/03/mil-110315-rianovosti01.htm

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    Tajikistan repeats call for Russia to pay for military base

    Post  Russian Patriot on Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:26 pm

    Tajikistan repeats call for Russia to pay for military base

    RIA Novosti

    12:49 18/07/2011 DUSHANBE, July 18 (RIA Novosti) - Dushanbe reiterated on Monday that Russia should pay rent for its military base in Tajikistan, a request that has been rejected by Moscow.

    "Russia is our important strategic partner," Tajik Foreign Minister Hamrokhon Zarifi told journalists in the Tajik capital, but "our land cannot be free; it has its price, and no one can use it without paying."

    Tajikistan, a former Soviet republic, asked Russia several years ago to pay rent for its military base created in 2005, and the Ayni airport that Russia plans to start operating in line with an agreement signed in 2008.

    "Currently, the two sides' positions do not allow for the preparation of agreements on Russia's military base and the Ayni airport," the minister said.

    He added, however, that talks between Dushanbe and Moscow on the issue would continue.

    "Negotiations are taking place in a constructive spirit, without a rush and unnecessary emotions," Zarifi said.

    A total of 7,000 Russian troops are serving at three Russian military units in Dushanbe, the southwestern city of Qurgonteppa some 100 km from Dushanbe, and Kulob, about 200 km to the southwest of the capital. Russian troops in Tajikistan constitute the country's largest ground force deployed abroad.

    An agreement between Moscow and Dushanbe on the use of the Ayni airport just outside the capital has not come into force as Moscow has refused to pay the requested rent, which Tajikistan have put at $300 million a year, according to Tajik government sources quoted by the press.

    Moscow and Dushanbe are currently in talks on the joint use of the airport.

    Media reports said that Tajikistan has also been in talks with Washington on a possible lease of the airport, which the United States view as a possible hub for supplying U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The Tajik authorities have denied the allegations, saying that talks on the airport are only being held with Russia.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2011/07/mil-110718-rianovosti02.htm

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    Re: Russian Military Bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan

    Post  NationalRus on Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:33 am

    how did we get the base for free in the first place? strange

    if they want 300mil (nearly 1/4 of ther yearly state budged) what a redicules demand, a big part of ther economy is based on ther dirty tajik citizen working in russia steeling work from russians and sending home money, and then they want 300 million a year which is nearly 25% of ther countrys budged just to illustrate the size in comperison to ther poor shithole country

    we should offer them 12mil a year with joint use and if they say no then to hell with them, fuck this base why we need it in the first place

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    Post  Viktor on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:13 pm

    LOL this is most funny cozz VDV save their ass from taliban invasion on early 90ies and formed that base.

    If they want to kick Russian base it would be very interesting since things would

    likely go back to where they where in early 90ies specially after 2014 once NATO

    forces retreat.

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:44 pm

    Russia to extend lease of Tajikistan military base

    RIA Novosti

    18:40 02/09/2011 DUSHANBE, September 2 (RIA Novosti) - The presidents of Russia and Tajikistan agreed to prepare in early 2012 an agreement extending Russia's lease of a military base in Tajikistan by 49 years.

    Moscow and Dushanbe are currently in talks on the continued market-based lease of a base in Tajikistan by the Russian military. Talks to extend the lease beyond 2014 were held at the working-group level in August.

    "We agreed to instruct our departments that a new forward-looking agreement for 49 years should be prepared for signing in the first quarter of the next year," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said.

    In exchange, Russia will provide Tajikistan’s army with up-to-date weaponry, a source within the Russian Defense Ministry said.

    He added that the presidents have also agreed to sign a new agreement on the joint use of Ayni airport near Dushanbe.

    Medvedev and his Tajik counterpart Emomali Rakhmon confirmed their determination to finalize the deal in the agreed timeframe.

    A total of 7,000 Russian troops are serving at three Russian military units in Dushanbe, the southwestern city of Qurgonteppa some 100 km from Dushanbe, and Kulob, about 200 km to the southwest of the capital. Russian troops in Tajikistan constitute Moscow's largest ground force deployed abroad.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2011/09/mil-110902-rianovosti02.htm

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:19 am

    Be interesting what they mean by up to date in terms of weaponry.

    This could be an opportunity to solve some potential problems in armour purchases over the next few years.

    Right now the cheapest option for the Russian military is to upgrade T-72s and buy a few T-90AMs till the Armatas are ready for production, but the problem there is that you end up with three different levels of tank.

    An upgraded T-72 is a good tank, so maybe Tajikistan might consider used T-72s that have been upgraded up to date weaponry?

    Hopefully the Armatas will have little foreign content so their costs will be reduced, but they will never be "cheap" tanks.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:33 am

    This is still unofficial but apparently they're getting the whole lot...aircraft, helicopters, tanks, BMPT...

    (translated excerpt)
    The extension of the base rental period for 49 years to be included in a joint plan to improve the combat readiness and rearmament of the Tajik Army.

    "We agreed to extend the lease for 49 years. The parameters of the agreement provide that we train and arm the Tajik army with modern weaponry to make it a modern and efficient force" - said the source.

    According to unofficial sources, as rent for the air base, "Aini" the Russian Federation will supply Tajikistan with combat helicopters, combat-capable trainer aircraft, communications and command and control systems, army air defense systems, a few hundred Question T-90S and T-90MS tanks (probably typo) BMPT "Terminator", Modernized BMP and armored personnel carriers, as well as patrol boats.

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2011/09/blog-post_3691.html

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:22 pm

    If they are giving them brand new stuff then it would probably be cheaper just to give them $20 million a year for the base.

    Giving them slightly outdated but still useful gear would have given the Army etc a place to send their upgraded stuff when their new stuff comes...

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:00 pm

    This would be the perfect way to get rid of some T-72/80 tanks, BTR-70/80, Mi-24, etc .... and get those base for free. Than charge them upgrades. Dont believe they gona get thos modern weapons after all.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:04 am

    More to the point... what is Tajikistan going to do with the latest Russian hardware?

    They would be better off with simple but effective stuff that is proven than new stuff they might have trouble maintaining and supporting operationally.

    Hopefully they will be more pragmatic in private talks.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:46 am

    There's a danger that Tajikistan could once again sink into full scale civil war if islamist rebels manage to infiltrate in force from Afghanistan. From there the whole of Central Asia and the Caucasus could be threatened. So it's in Russia's interest to bolster the Tajik government.

    Another angle to equipping the Tajiks and other smaller CSTO members is that they can then provide decently equipped contingents in any joint CSTO operations. Multinational operations are more politically preferable than just strictly Russian operations in case of unrest in any of the more vulnerable CSTO members.

    But I don't think they will be getting new equipment in the hundred's but in small numbers on top of some refurbished older stuff.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:15 am

    I want to be clear, I don't want Russia to give them rubbish they can't use, but I think that for the use they will likely put their hardware to that a good reliable older system that isn't full of complex electronics, that is effective and straight forward to operate and maintain is much better than having state of the art stuff.

    It is best if this is good for both Russia and Tajikistan.

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    Post  Corrosion on Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:17 pm

    This is interesting news.

    If India can lease this airbase or join some form of joint operation from this airbase, it will go a long way as far as Indian perspective is concerned. This move will be seriously opposed by China and also Pakistan. It is going to be interesting next few years. When US + NATO leave Afghanistan it will be interesting to see how strong Pakistan is going to be in Afghanistan. If Pakistan is strong enough in Afghanistan then it will kick India out of Afghanistan as I suspect taliban will be anti India and Karzai and Co. will not last long against Taliban, sponsored by money from Saudi Arabia and China (Via PAkistan ofcourse) Agian India will have to support some sort of Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. BAck to pre 2001 position for India after spending billions in infrastructure development in Afghanistan. I think this airbase is some sort of back up plan if the worst case scenario plays out as far as India is concerned.

    If taliban wins back Afghanistan from US supported regime then it will be a huge moral victory for TAliban and their backers. Central Asia has big muslim population and it will eventually be the place where future proxy wars will be fought and this region is going to become very unstable. There are going to be a large number of powers looking for some sort of control here eg. Turkey, Iran, Pakistan+Taliban+Saudi, US, China, India and Russia.

    As far as Russia is concerned it is in its best interest that problems of Afghanistan don't spill into Central Asia. Either way if US wins or looses in Afghanistan, it is a loose loose situation for Russia. They have two choices I think
    1. engage Pakistan and its supporters
    2. form some sort of strong military alliance in Central Asia and stop any plans of jihad backers to export jihad to central Asia.

    Clearly one is a passive approach and second is an active one.

    A lot hinges on US of A how it goes in next few years with respect to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    And people, this military base is just a small tool in grand scheme of things.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:53 am

    What I don't understand is how will India operate a base in Tajikistan?

    India has no land border with Afghanistan or Tajikistan... to get to an air base in Tajikistan from India you will need to either over fly Pakistan and Afghanistan or China.

    The Taleban kept a tight hand on illegal drug production in Afghanistan, the Russians certainly supported the Northern Alliance, but at the end of the day if the Taleban win and go back to doing what they did before the US/UK etc arrived then Russia really doesn't have a huge amount to worry about.

    The Taleban will deal with the drug trade and life in Afghanistan for the Afghans will become unbearable again but for the neighbours of Afghanistan things will quieten down.

    The only friendly neighbour would be Pakistan, but Iran and China and Tajikistan will simply increase their border security... I am sure the Russians will assist Tajikistan with UAVs and other support, but with the Taleban treating the poppy fields as unislamic the Russians will not longer have to worry about new drugs being produced and trafficked into Russia... the existing stocks will be a problem which border patrols can deal with, but even if the Taleban take all of Afghanistan they are not strong enough and never will be strong enough to invade a neighbouring country... and are therefore little threat.

    The main problem is that while the US/UK etc forces are there the poppy farmers are protected... so the sooner they leave the better.

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    Post  Corrosion on Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:19 am

    GarryB wrote:What I don't understand is how will India operate a base in Tajikistan?

    India has no land border with Afghanistan or Tajikistan... to get to an air base in Tajikistan from India you will need to either over fly Pakistan and Afghanistan or China.

    Actually these news about India leasing a base in Tajikistan has been going on from about 10 years now.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayni_Air_Base &
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farkhor_Air_Base

    To look at this you have to look at how situation is going to pan out. IF US+NATO leaves Afghanistan with Pakistan in dominant position in Afghanistan a new sort of Taliban will come into being which will be friendly to Pakistan as it also will be supplied militarily and economically by Pakistan. It will be a new problem for IRAN as well. Now I dont think India will do it everything by itself and you can expect some sort of alliance again much like Northern Alliance, which will be supported by Russia, Iran and some other "like minded" countries in Central Asia. So, problems associated with over flying will be solved through Western and Northern side. As I said this has to be back up plan as far as India is concerned. India have to wait it out when US leaves the theatre, whether Karzai govt. is strong in Afghanistan and if India gets some say in Afghanistan for all the non military it has done in Afghanistan. India has very good goodwill in Afghanistan as far as everybody except Taliban is concerned. So taliban must not come into power in Afghanistan as far as Indian interests go. If US leaves defeated/dejected then it will mean things have gone badly and it is not going to end good for Karzai and co. and other anti taliban people in Afghanistan. Old scores will be settled. Have you heard that all Afghanistan leaders have been assassinated. No one has died natural death.

    It will be of great strategic importance for India to have a base in Tajikistan, if some sort of arrangement can be reached with Tajikistan and ofcource Russia. All the costs of overfying few more countries can be justified. Remember we will have all the required equipment to make it possible for example big transports such as C-17. But I dont think India will have a capability to deploy anything more than a squadron of fighters there, even that is stretching it. If it is a shared base with everyone involved contribution it will be in best interest for everyone involved.

    The Taleban kept a tight hand on illegal drug production in Afghanistan, the Russians certainly supported the Northern Alliance, but at the end of the day if the Taleban win and go back to doing what they did before the US/UK etc arrived then Russia really doesn't have a huge amount to worry about.

    Russia's main worry will be Central Asia turning "politically" Islamic. Poverty is rampant in Central Asia and I don't be surprised if they are exploited by "rich" Arabic speaking countries down the line based on their shared religion similarly like Afghans. Look current generation of Central Asia are not very religious, having been brought up with Soviet values. but are bets are off when you consider newer generation. Central Asia is up for grabs, frankly speaking and to put it bluntly.

    The Taleban will deal with the drug trade and life in Afghanistan for the Afghans will become unbearable again but for the neighbours of Afghanistan things will quieten down.

    Garry, Do you really think drug trade is the biggest worry for its neighbors?

    The only friendly neighbour would be Pakistan, but Iran and China and Tajikistan will simply increase their border security... I am sure the Russians will assist Tajikistan with UAVs and other support, but with the Taleban treating the poppy fields as unislamic the Russians will not longer have to worry about new drugs being produced and trafficked into Russia... the existing stocks will be a problem which border patrols can deal with, but even if the Taleban take all of Afghanistan they are not strong enough and never will be strong enough to invade a neighbouring country... and are therefore little threat.
    You dont have to invade another country to do things. e.g. Pakistan never invaded Afghanistan.

    The main problem is that while the US/UK etc forces are there the poppy farmers are protected... so the sooner they leave the better.
    No, not for India or Iran or some others for that matter. Look it is their decision to leave or stay after all. But they have a big hand in problems in Afghanistan, they should stay there, not to mention it is going to create even bigger problems in whole region and for their own interests in the region.

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    Re: Russian Military Bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:13 am

    IF US+NATO leaves Afghanistan with Pakistan in dominant position in Afghanistan a new sort of Taliban will come into being which will be friendly to Pakistan as it also will be supplied militarily and economically by Pakistan.

    That is not a new Taliban... it is the same old Taliban.

    The CIA drones killing innocent civilians in Pakistan are trying to get Taliban based in Pakistan. The Taliban operate openly in Pakistan because Pakistan supports them and has supported them in the past.

    It will be a new problem for IRAN as well.

    It is the same old problem for Iran and Russia.

    The US did a huge favour for Iran in both Afghanistan AND in Iraq, which is why Iran has done diddly squat to interfere.
    Saddam was a Sunni muslim... like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
    NOT a Shia muslim like Iran.
    The US did Iran a favour by removing the Sunni muslims from power in Iraq and Afghanistan, and when they leave Iran can expect a Shia majority government in Iraq because the Shia are the majority...
    In Afghanistan... well no one can guess what will happen there... most of the west believed that when the Soviets left in 1989 that the muj would sweep straight into power within a year, but with the Soviets gone they spent more time fighting amongst themselves and the puppet regime stayed in power till the mid 1990s against all experts best estimates.

    A fully supported and funded Taliban could easily sweep aside the current opposition as it is mostly US/UK based... when they leave however, I think there will be turmoil, but I think the US will leave behind enough "advisers" to allow the current regime to survive a while, but it all depends about the outside support for the Taliban from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and how that compares with the support the other factions get from Russia, Iran, and the US.

    If Russia and the US support the same factions they might hold out longer than most believe... especially if Iranian backed factions can be brought on board too... if not then it will be an all out multiple way conflict that will destroy all that has been built and Afghanistan will stay poor and fked up.

    Have you heard that all Afghanistan leaders have been assassinated. No one has died natural death.

    Very few warlords in war torn countries die natural deaths.

    Russia's main worry will be Central Asia turning "politically" Islamic.

    The Talibans harsh rule of Afghanistan while they were in power is the best defence against the spread of their power. The Taliban were welcomed into power as liberators but pretty soon the people realised that even communism is not so harsh as the Talibans form of rule.

    Poverty is rampant in Central Asia and I don't be surprised if they are exploited by "rich" Arabic speaking countries down the line based on their shared religion similarly like Afghans. Look current generation of Central Asia are not very religious, having been brought up with Soviet values. but are bets are off when you consider newer generation. Central Asia is up for grabs, frankly speaking and to put it bluntly.

    The terrible irony is that there is enormous wealth beneath their feet in Afghanistan, but it is made worse because the people of Afghanistan have no chance to benefit from it no matter what happens. Either the Taliban will rule and might exploit it on the side to generate revenue, or America will win and western companies will go in like they do in oil rich countries and bribe officials and take most of the wealth for themselves...

    Garry, Do you really think drug trade is the biggest worry for its neighbors?

    Yes.

    This isn't cold war part two... the new threat isn't the spread of radical islam... the threat is law and order and quality of life. Solve those problems and Russia will be happy, and apart from the flow of drugs from Afghanistan then Afghanistan has little to interest Russia. Russia should be helping Tajikistan to better patrol its rugged borders with UAV technology and indeed UCAV technology, as well as training and equipping border patrol personnel.
    For Afghanistan it can be a customer for small arms and helicopters and vehicles, but I can't see Russia going back in there again... the last time it was a country on their border... now it is a country on their neighbours border.
    They can certainly offer a helping hand to Karzai and let Afghanistan join the CSTO and similar orgs, but at the end of the day the Taliban are not fighting Russia, so civil relations should be possible if they prevail too.

    You dont have to invade another country to do things. e.g. Pakistan never invaded Afghanistan.

    That is quite true, but Russia is not allowed a sphere of influence so because Afghanistan is not a direct neighbour then interests can only be commercial.

    No, not for India or Iran or some others for that matter. Look it is their decision to leave or stay after all. But they have a big hand in problems in Afghanistan, they should stay there, not to mention it is going to create even bigger problems in whole region and for their own interests in the region.

    I doubt Iran prefer US/UK forces in Afghanistan over the Taliban and in many ways the same is true for Russia. Afghanistan was a perfectly containable problem when the Taliban had almost total control, and I don't see why that would be any different if they seize power again.

    Of course if they do try to seize power again with US/UK forces out of the country it is highly likely the US will stop them. I rather doubt the US/UK forces will pull out completely, they will have special forces "advisors" left behind able to call in air support from nearby... either UAV air bases in Afghanistan or Tajikistan as eyes and ears at the very least.

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    Russian military bases in Kyrgyzstan:

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:50 am

    Russia owes rent on military bases unpaid for 4 years – Kyrgyz President

    RIA Novosti

    11:53 29/12/2011

    BISHKEK, December 29 (RIA Novosti) - Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev described Russia as a key strategic partner but claimed that Moscow had not paid rent for military installations on the country's territory for the past four years.

    The main strategic partner of Kyrgyzstan is Russia but the former leadership "did not leave a good legacy in relations with Russia," Atambayev said.

    “Over the past year and a half we managed to establish relations with Russia, which were ruined by the former government,” he said, noting that a lot of support was afforded to the republic by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

    Atambayev said that he was able to reach an understanding also with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, in particular on the issue of the payment of debt on the Russian side that has accumulated over the past four years for territories in the republic used as Russian military facilities.

    Four Russian military facilities are situated on the territory of Kyrgyzstan, as well as an air base in the city of Kant.

    Atambayev also said that the U.S. air base at the Manas International Airport in Kyrgyzstan should be closed, as it is a threat to the country.

    “Kyrgyzstan does not need a military air base at the civilian airport, it is very dangerous. We want the Manas airport to only be a civilian airport,” he said at his first press conference.

    The U.S. airbase at Manas was set up near the Kyrgyz capital Bishkek in 2001 in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks in America to support military operations in Afghanistan. Under the current U.S. agreement with Kyrgyzstan expires in 2014.

    Atambayev, 55, who served as the country’s prime minister, overwhelmingly won the October 30 presidential elections with 62 percent of the vote. Interim President Roza Otunbayeva, who took power after Kurmanbek Bakiyev was ousted as president amid large-scale popular protests in April 2010, was barred from running in the polls.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2011/russia-111229-rianovosti02.htm

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