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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  medo on Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:33 pm

    If I'm correct Gremyashy will be the seventh ship of Steregushy class.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:42 pm

    medo wrote:If I'm correct Gremyashy will be the seventh ship of Steregushy class.

    No,it will be the sixth:

    Steregushy
    Soobrazitelny
    Boiky
    Stoiky
    Sovershenny (Building in the far East)
    Gremyashy

    You may be confused with another name "Provorny", No ship with that name was laid down.

    By the way, the differences in armament (between 20380 and 20385) are highlighted in this comparison picture:
    (Red is for anti-ship missiles cells, green for anti-air)

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Viktor on Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:18 pm

    I wonder what will occupy space where antiship missiles on 20380 where?
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:49 pm

    Note that the newer version is a bit longer, but unfortunately I have no idea how the interior has been re-arranged.
    There is talk that the 20385 has a proper galley and is better suited for longer times at sea. The first two units were limited in endurance because of a lack of a proper galley, inadequate catering and other facilities.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  runaway on Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:32 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Note that the newer version is a bit longer, but unfortunately I have no idea how the interior has been re-arranged.
    There is talk that the 20385 has a proper galley and is better suited for longer times at sea. The first two units were limited in endurance because of a lack of a proper galley, inadequate catering and other facilities.

    Proper galley? I dont think i have ever heard that limiting a warship. A small galley is perhaps tiresome on long journeys, but sailors can make do, and there is rations...
    Only thing limiting my ship was fuel and water. Hm, not that swedish navy needs so long endurance as russians.

    And serving on a ship vs Army means always a hot meal and a soft bunk to sleep in.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:43 am

    Most Navies AFAIK limit the amount of operation duration for ships based on food and water because refuelling and rearming at sea are standard practise.

    If a ship is too small to have a proper galley where fresh food is prepared daily then you basically feed the crew on the equivalent of TV dinner type meals... 2-3 weeks of that and you will have a mutiny!!!

    Regarding the Redut SAM system... the whole concept behind it and the UKSK is standardisation... which only makes sense if the system in every case is the same.

    The Redut system on Corvettes will be the same as on Aircraft Carriers (note they are putting Redut on the Kuznetsov to replace the Klintok system and the Mistrals will likely get them too) so in theory they will be able to take all the big and small missiles of the RIF and later model Naval SAMs.

    Very much the same as the UKSK launchers fitted to corvettes will be able to carry 2,000km range land attack cruise missiles, but more likely will carry a mix of Yakhont and the anti ship model of Kalibr... which makes them a combination of the old light patrol missile craft and the old light patrol torpedo craft.

    Their own sensors would make fitting 400km range SAMs pointless, but their Sigma battle management system allowing them to communicate with other ships and subs and share data on the air, sea surface and underwater target picture would allow them to be the launch platform against long range targets with a good chance of success.

    Again, I repeat, this would be only in very specialist circumstances that would need preparation and planning but is still an option.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:52 pm

    Onyx/Yakhont on the Gremyashy (Project 20385).



    Some great photos of the model:
    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=262652&download=1
    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=262653&download=1
    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=262655&download=1

    Regarding the last picture, I am looking forward to a confirmed answer about the number of 9M96 missiles carried on the ship: Is it 16 missiles or 16 x 4 = 64 missiles ???

    I am more and more being convinced it is the greater figure.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Viktor on Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:54 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Onyx/Yakhont on the Gremyashy (Project 20385).


    Have you got the same about Redut system?
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:19 pm

    The Russians have traditionally strong on air defence, so I would think 64 SAMs would make it a well defended vessel, but 16 would be a bit weak...
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Viktor on Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:06 am

    GarryB wrote:The Russians have traditionally strong on air defence, so I would think 64 SAMs would make it a well defended vessel, but 16 would be a bit weak...

    Batter armed than first 20380 but still week.

    I have this link where 4x9M96E (40km version) is confirmed by author and in that

    sense 64 40km range missiles would be good enough by my opinion but I dont get it

    If it is possible to place 4x9M96 in one launcher why not lengthier and longer

    ranged version 9M96E2 with 120km range except if Redut VLS is not able to

    support its length cozz 9M96E and 9M96E2 have the same diameter.

    http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/topic-13.html
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  medo on Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:41 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The Russians have traditionally strong on air defence, so I would think 64 SAMs would make it a well defended vessel, but 16 would be a bit weak...

    Batter armed than first 20380 but still week.

    I have this link where 4x9M96E (40km version) is confirmed by author and in that

    sense 64 40km range missiles would be good enough by my opinion but I dont get it

    If it is possible to place 4x9M96 in one launcher why not lengthier and longer

    ranged version 9M96E2 with 120km range except if Redut VLS is not able to

    support its length cozz 9M96E and 9M96E2 have the same diameter.

    http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/topic-13.html

    Maybe Steregushy class ships don't have deep enough space to place longer 120 km range 9M96E2 missiles, but enough for 40 km range 9M96E missiles. Gorshkov is larger ship and could have enough deep space to place 120 km range 9M96E2 missiles. It also have different radar complex, which could enable work of 120 km range missiles. We will see what capabilities and armament will Gorshkov have, when it will be finished.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:08 pm

    The other question is will the pre 20385 ships even be able to guide a missile that far. Furke is not the most impressive set, it is designed for smaller ships after all, typically ships of that size do not have 120+ km range SAMs. If the Furke specs that are floating around online are any indication, it would not be even close to utilize the 120km range of the bigge missile. Hopefully the unified mast of the 20385 fixes this.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:48 am

    Probably a combination of reduced weight and radar limitation with the Furke would make the 40km missiles the best choice for this sort of vessel.

    In fact, when Morfei is ready perhaps 40 x 40km range missiles and 24 x 9M100 short range IIR guided missiles in a SEA RAM like role.

    The 9M100 should be a much smaller and more compact weapon so it might be possible to use two layers of 4-6 missiles per tube, so the weapon load could be 40 x 40km range missiles and 48-72 short range missiles. That would give it the equivalent of an SA-N-7 system with the 40 x 40km range missiles and 1.5-2.5 Kashtans, though with shorter range short range missiles, they will be lock on after launch and fire and forget missiles.

    I rather suspect that in time they will develop a small phased array radar for smaller vessels to replace Furke, and at the end of the day it is just a corvette!
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:03 pm

    One more 20380 being laid down. Thats 7th or 8th from 20380/5 series.

    Nice rate, I hope 22350 will get speed up also.


    At the Amur shipyard laid multipurpose corvette
    http://vostokmedia.com/n129400.html
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TR1 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:39 pm

    Viktor wrote:One more 20380 being laid down. Thats 7th or 8th from 20380/5 series.

    Nice rate, I hope 22350 will get speed up also.


    At the Amur shipyard laid multipurpose corvette
    http://vostokmedia.com/n129400.html

    It is the 7th. The disturbing thing is pics were released of the Soversheny @ Amur, it is not anywhere close to completion. Looks like the truth of the 20380 slow pace of construction is true, it is because funding was non existent half the time, and the hulls were simply conserved.

    Pics of Soversheny, 2012:
    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=265035&download=2
    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=265036&download=2

    And even Boiky @ Severnaya at one point was taken out of the slip and conserved for some time:
    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=265382&download=2
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:03 am

    Corvette Gromky Laid Down at Amur Shipyard to Join Pacific Fleet in 2015

    Keel of corvette Gromky for Pacific Fleet (PF) was laid down at JSC Amur Shipyard which is the largest shipbuilding plant at the Russia's Far East.

    The ceremony took place at the ship's first section welded in mid-Feb and was attended by PF Acting Commander RADM Sergei Avakiants, Governor of Khabarovsk Krai Vyacheslav Shport, representatives of shipbuilding industry and community of Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

    When the meeting was over, team of arc welders headed by Eduard Bytov attached the ship's keel-laying plaque to the first section.

    According to the shipyard's deputy director Viktor Myshkin, that is the second corvette in the series laid down at JSC Amur Shipyard.

    "We plan to deliver the corvette in 2015. Her elder sister – corvette Sovershenny – will be completed and join Pacific Fleet in 2013", Myshkin said.

    Project 20380 corvettes are designed for littoral sea warfare, e.g. countering enemy surface ships, providing gunfire support to landing operations, etc. Constructively, their hulls are built under advanced technology. For the first time in Russian Navy, ships of such size will have stern hangar with heliport. Basic weapon is Uragan antiship missile system.

    Ships of this kind will strengthen Pacific Fleet at Primorsky Krai and Kamchatka, said RADM Sergei Avakiants at the keel-laying ceremony.

    "We also expect new-generation seagoing ships capable to be deployed worldwide", emphasized Avakiants.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon May 14, 2012 10:01 pm

    STOYKY to be launched on 30 May.

    http://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=111931
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    Post  TR1 on Sun May 20, 2012 9:40 pm

    3rd 20380 @ Amur will hopefully be laid down this Autumn.
    Will go to the Pacific Fleet like its sisters.
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    Post  TR1 on Sat May 26, 2012 10:54 pm

    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=282015&download=2

    Boiky getting close to completion.
    There seems to be a slight difference, the walkway around the bridge juts out at the end, while it is flush on the previous 2 boats.

    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=282016&download=2

    Soobrazitelny.

    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=282019&download=2

    Stereguhsy behind it.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TR1 on Sun May 27, 2012 9:33 pm

    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=282174&download=2

    Stoiky launched.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:35 am

    Corvette Soobrazitelny Leaves DANEX Exercise Due to Fire Incident

    Corvette Soobrazitelny happened to be motionless in the western part of the Baltic Sea due to fire in the ship's engine room.

    According to information available to Central Navy Portal, although the crew managed to extinguish the fire, as a result of firefighting activities some equipment was flooded by water and went out of service. No one suffered in the accident.

    Reportedly, probable cause of the fire was either short circuit in electric wiring or the crew's fault. Seat of fire was in the chimney. It took personnel more than one hour to neutralize the fire.

    According to vesti.ru, director of Danish working group at the DANEX-NOCO 2012 joint naval exercise expressed regret over the corvette Soobrazitelny would not continue participation in the exercise started on Monday.

    Soobrazitelny was built by JSC Severnaya Verf shipyard. The ship was laid down on May 20, 2003 and launched on March 31, 2010. Headed by commanding officer Capt 2 Rank Alexander Telepov, the ship's crew settled on board early in 2011. State trials began on July 27, 2011. The ship was delivered to the Navy on Oct 14, 2011. Naval ensign was triumphantly hoisted on the same day, the ship was commissioned into Baltic Fleet and stationed in Baltiysk Naval Base.

    On the Russian Navy Day (July 29, 2012), corvette Soobrazitelny obtained the honorable Guards title and a special Guards naval ensign.

    Soobrazitelny is the second Project 20380 corvette, a multipurpose 2-nd rank littoral zone warship. Her predecessor, corvette Stereguschiy is presently in service. Further ship of this series will have names of Boiky, Stoiky, and Provorny.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/newsofday/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15813
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:09 pm



    Boikii.
    Still without gun, apparently A-190 production is still not worked out.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:11 pm

    what about Stoikiy ?
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:15 pm

    Presumably still fitting out, it is somewhat less than a year behind Boiky.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:55 am

    Still without gun, apparently A-190 production is still not worked out.

    This is strange... you'd think they would be investing in sorting this out because the range of frigates that will use this gun will only increase as the domestic frigate starts production in numbers.

    For the Destroyers they are working on perhaps they have a 152mm weapon related to Koalition being finalised.

    It would be interesting to know their plans for the upgraded Orlans... 152mm or 203mm?


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