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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:25 pm

    Corvette "Sovershennyy" on the demagnetization





    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2146361.html


    This ship was laid down 10 years ago... unshaven


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:08 am

    George1 wrote:Corvette "Sovershennyy" on the demagnetization





    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2146361.html


    This ship was laid down 10 years ago... unshaven

    Amur shipyard??
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:29 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:

    Amur shipyard??

    Yes. First ship of that class for Pacific fleet


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:23 am

    Looks pretty far short of the completion state that other ships have been at for demagnetisation Neutral
    Pretty unusual to do it tied up to a dock with all sorts of random chunks of steel still onboard/right next to it...
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:52 am

    One of the 20380s Soobrazitelnyy tested 9M96 vs surface target


    Most AA missiles seem to have secondary anti-surface ability but pretty rare to see it used.
    Fair bit of it going round lately, particularly US made a big hoo-hah about testing SM-6es, even our local mini-navy shot a couple of old Sea Sparrows at a target ship at RIMPAC.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:02 am

    Corvette " Sovershenny" on demagnetization



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2227965.html


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:43 pm

    TV Zvezda: The barrier: the Corvette "Resistant" and "Savvy" staged a duel in the Baltic sea

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:33 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:TV Zvezda: The barrier: the Corvette "Resistant" and "Savvy" staged a duel in the Baltic sea


    Did they shot down the Kh-35 or a drone ??
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:51 pm

    It's supposedly the Kh-35 fired from one shot down with 9M96 from the other.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Rmf on Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:48 pm

    still using uran?? its a shame russia doesnt have stealthy subsonic antiship missile in this day....
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:58 pm

    It does... the anti ship versions of Klub.

    Stealth would be pointless for Uran and the upgraded Uran as they are active radar homing...

    A better alternative for stealth is speed because most modern ships would have a good chance of detecting an incoming missile stealthy or not due to IR sensors and EO systems.

    The solution of speed means no time to react effectively.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Rmf on Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:37 am

    again this, you always same, going offtopic picking some sideline point- and driving with that, instead of adressing real question.- e.g. stealth subsonic antiship missile.

    could kh-ushke from pak-fa programe be used....?
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:16 am

    Me going off topic.. you are the one complaining about lack of stealth anti ship missiles for Russian corvettes.

    Uran is the bargain basement missile... for upgrades and for ships that don't need anything better.

    There is nothing wrong with the missile... it actually has better performance than the exocet or harpoon which would be the closest western equivalents.

    When operating in a small enclosed area with the enemy in a known position and expecting to be fired upon then a single uran missile is not going to be a devastating weapon... nor is harpoon or exocet or anything else really.

    Ships don't operate with their radars blasing away all the time scanning for threats... that gives away their position and gives up the element of surprise... when they don't have their radars on the Uran will get much closer before it is detected and when more than one is fired its chance of success will be much greater.

    could kh-ushke from pak-fa programe be used....?

    If you mean the latest version of the AS-11 it could only be used if the target is using its radar and the obvious problem there is that it would likely take out the targets radar but not sink the ship...

    For most targets a Uran is fine... for better protected targets several Uran would probably still do the job. For most modern targets bigger than a corvette you would need Yakhont or the supersonic Klub or Zircon/Brahmos II.

    Stealthy subsonic will be detected no matter how radar invisible it is... even old missiles are stealthy in that they don't emit radar signals so a target not scanning... which will be all the ones that don't want to be detected at long range and saturation attacked... wont see it till it is visual on EO or Thermal optics... for subsonic targets that gives little time... for supersonic targets next to no time at all.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  chicken on Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:41 am

    GarryB wrote:It does... the anti ship versions of Klub.

    Did Russia buy that version? I was under the impression that they did not.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:57 am

    Rmf wrote:still using uran?? its a shame russia doesnt have stealthy subsonic antiship missile in this day....

    I can write like an 8 year old too...

    still using harpoon and exocet?? its a shame usa and france don't have stealthy subsonic antiship missile in this day....
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Rmf on Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:33 pm

    thats true but some nato countries do have very stealth subsonic cruise antiship missiles, which usa or any other nato country could get very fast, and besides russia should lead not play catchup most of time.
    i was thinking going with that kh-ushke missile with passive homing and IIR combined warhead.... that would enable totaly passive closure to target using its emisions and with IIR target the ship ,with stealth it would be very hard to intercept missile, plus it has simmilar weight and range characteristics to Uran.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:33 am

    My understanding is that that is still an ARM but with backup guidance options...

    A large radar generates a lot of heat that is rather hard to hide.

    For instance an AWACS aircraft could be targeted based on its radar emissions, but if shut down when the incoming missile is detected then the missile would still detect the heat signature of the target and home in on the turned off radar system.

    The same would apply to ground based radar... I would suspect with a naval vessel the IR signature of the vessel against the water at a different temperature would allow engagement but again I suspect the engagement of the radar would result in trivial/ie not terminal damage as the radar arrays would be hit but the hull would not likely be penetrated.

    Of course taking out the main radar array would leave the vessel vulnerable to attack from more conventional missiles.

    Did Russia buy that version? I was under the impression that they did not.

    Have heard all sorts of rumours... mostly from western sources about them not working. If they want them their new vessels all have UKSK launchers which are compatible with Onyx, Zircon, Calibr... which is the long range land attack version of Klub, and also the rocket powered torpedo delivering Klub model.. I don't see why they would not buy the anti ship subsonic and anti ship supersonic models of Klub too... there is talk of a supersonic anti ship missile in Russian service with a range of 1,500km... sounds like supersonic Klub to me. the whole purpose of a subsonic cruising stage and a supersonic terminal stage is maximum range and max effect in the terminal phase... it ticks all the boxes.


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    9M96 uplinking question

    Post  r3mu511 on Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:00 am

    I was wondering if anyone knew what equipment was providing the midcourse guidance update uplinks to the 9M96 missile from the corvette?

    on the Gorshkov-class frigate the Poliment 5P-20K radar provides this midcourse uplinking, while on the land-based S-350 Vityaz the 50N6 radar does this uplinking, similarly for S-300/-400 systems the Tombstone/Gravestone will perform the uplinks...

    but what equipment is performing the midcourse uplinks for the 9M96 on the Steregushchy corvette?

    or are they not using midcourse update uplinks and instead launching the 9M96 with just it's initial, pre-launch ARH seeker INS activation point and once launched no further seeker activation point updates are done?
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:48 am

    or are they not using midcourse update uplinks and instead launching the 9M96 with just it's initial, pre-launch ARH seeker INS activation point and once launched no further seeker activation point updates are done?
    That's apparently the big issue.
    Supposedly the Puma radar may be able to do it but definitely not optimal.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  r3mu511 on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:28 pm

    ^thanks, would you happen to have a url/link to a reference on the use of the 5P-10E radar to perform the midcourse uplinking to the 9M96?

    per the manufacturer's website (concern-agat.ru / en / production / artillery-systems-fire-control-systems / 5p-10e-radar-control-system), this FCR has a tracking range of around 60 km which would mean it would only be useful with the 40 km range variant of the 9M96, so does this then mean the Steregushchy does not use the 120 km missile variant?
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:51 pm

    Sorry, I don't think I'd be able to find it again (wish I'd kept the URL) but mentioned the article in previous post http://www.russiadefence.net/t47p300-project-2038-0-steregushchy-corvette#172731, as I said there it could be a case of Lost in Translation or outright wrong since it referenced the IR & unspotted 9M100 -> handful of salt.
    But as far as I understand it's either that or just initial inertial with no updates scratch

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  r3mu511 on Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:05 pm

    ^ok, thanks
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:59 pm

    Yeah, almost certainly only the mid-range 9M96.
    Similar to a lot of smallish ships with Mk41: technically can fit Standard missiles but lack the radar power for it -> ESSM only.

    The Furke is possibly shorter ranged than Puma so it could only hope to use the long range 9M96 in some kind of network-centric scenario using targeting data (& updates?) via other platform.
    The combat system is supposed to be capable of that kind of thing though.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:51 am

    Hmm, I wonder how much the sudden progress on Sovershennyy is to do with this http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0211/
    Amur shipyard got/getting a 7 billion rubles payment.
    But is it payment because progress is made or progress because payment is made? Neutral
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:39 pm

    Apologies for triple post pale

    ^thanks, would you happen to have a url/link to a reference on the use of the 5P-10E radar to perform the midcourse uplinking to the 9M96?
    I don't think its what I'd previously seen but found this http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-450.html
    Google translate wrote:Radar "Furke-2" does not have the alleged possibilities of support goals for SAM, and the JMA "Puma" gun mount could issue tselelukazanie with conjugation with SAM through CICS "Sigma", but given the type of CICS supposedly has a sufficiently large dead time, inappropriate for actual defense tasks

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