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    SeigSoloyvov

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:04 am

    Isos wrote:
    This is what I was saying back when.

    Also bigger ship does not necessarily mean bigger pricetag, especially of they went with modular construction. And we still don't know exact size. Old ones had misleading data as well like Armenian pointed out.

    Imported engines and other gear were not cheap. 20386 uses all local stuff. Another possible savings method.

    Price might very well be higher indeed but maybe not by much.

    The price of 20386 will be higher than 20380 and 20385 as they use new electronics, new design and more equipement (new AESA radar and if I'm not wrong it wiil be equiped with Urans and Kalibr so they will need to put both systems).

    20385 is not a big upgrade and look how the price increased.

    That's the problem with russian they can't build one ship, they always want to upgrade and at the end they have lot of versions with each have having 1 or 2 ss in service. 20380 was very good (when equiped with redut), build for close sea. It could have been used to defend shores in the north and pacific with it's Paket-NK and sonars (which are according to me the best way to use them). For anti ship role they should go for bigger ship (which they already designed) like Gorshkovs and Grigorovitch.

    They are planning to build lot of small and cheaper corvettes with UKSK so the modularity of the 20386 is not a priority.


    Export versions are also worse than their domestic counterparts.

    At the same time it's a 3k ton ship it can go into the blue water just fine.

    These aren't merely brown water vessels.

    I suspect Russia is just calling them corvettes so they can get more bigger ships quicker.

    The 36 is a light frigate if it's over 3k tons.

    It could be smaller? sure but until I see anything official it remains ar 3k tons

    For the same price if you can have a 4K tons "medium" frigate instead of a 3k tons "big corvette-light frigate", you chose it the medium frigate.

    On this I can agree Russia has a huge problem when it comes to building small amounts of things and having tons of different versions in service. Their logistics are a nightmare has a result.

    That said if the price tag of a 20386 gets that high yeah they may has well just build more normal sized frigates.

    If they really need ships that can launch speeds boats and what not at that size they have the project 22160.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  franco on Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:39 pm

    PETERSBURG, February 16 - RIA Novosti. Shipbuilding Plant "Severnaya Verf" (part of the USC) is planning to lower the water head corvette project 20385 "Gremyashchy" in May 2017, said the plant.

    "Shipyard" Severnaya Verf "plans to lower the water head corvette project 20385" Gremyashchy "in May 2017 subject to the suppliers of all its obligations in due time", - said in a statement.

    According to the deputy chief builder of the plant Alexander Ulyasheva, "domestic counterparts, realizing the importance of the problem, complete manufacturing equipment designed to replace imported in the near future." Launching corvette will complete the installation of ship systems, main engine and shafting, alignment and execute them to prepare "Gremyashchy" for mooring trials.

    "It is already almost finished painting the body immediately before launch will be mounted radome sonar." - Quoted in the message words Ulyasheva plant.

    Multipurpose corvettes of this project are designed to detect and destroy submarines and surface ships of the enemy, ensuring the landing, as well as solving various problems in the near maritime zone. The basis of the arms corvettes make universal missile complex "Caliber-NCE", anti-aircraft missile complex "Redoubt" ASW complex "Package", which may be based on one helicopter Ka-27. corvette length is 104 meters, width - 13 m, speed - up to 27 knots, cruising range - 3500 miles, the crew - 99 people. With its original architecture and the use of composite materials, as well as a built-in enclosure missile weapons and antenna posts in corvettes significantly reduced radar, acoustic and optical visibility.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:29 am


    On this I can agree Russia has a huge problem when it comes to building small amounts of things and having tons of different versions in service. Their logistics are a nightmare has a result.

    Actually the truth is the opposite... the Sovremmeny and Udaloy are totally different with different propulsion, different weapons, different sensors... in fact each class was made with different weapons and different systems optimised for the job.

    Their new vessels... even though they are different types have largely unified weapons and systems and C4IR systems so they will be vastly much more easy to support and to operate and will be rather more multipurpose vessels than previous models.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:11 am

    plans to lower the water head corvette project 20385" Gremyashchy "in May 2017
    Urrrrah! cheers
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:33 am

    Some nice pics via Balancer forum



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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:36 pm

    Couple of potato quality pics of the Pacific one from Balancer forum.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:39 pm


    I think this one is still under construction

    Has Russian flag but no Navy flag
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:18 pm

    Those potato quality photos were taken from a shitty cell phone camera.
    One more:
    http://files.balancer.ru/forums/attaches/2017/03/21-4753417-20380-333-2.jpg

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  walle83 on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:36 am

    Project 2038.0, Project 2038.5, Project 20386....

    How about insted of laying down new ships all the time maybe they could use the money to finish the ships already in costruction. Whats the point of having ships in slow construction face year after year.
    They now have 6 ships under construction at the same time with the first being laid down back in 2012...5 years ago.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Militarov on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:44 am

    walle83 wrote:Project 2038.0, Project 2038.5, Project 20386....

    How about insted of laying down new ships all the time maybe they could use the money to finish the ships already in costruction. Whats the point of having ships in slow construction face year after year.
    They now have 6 ships under construction at the same time with the first being laid down back in 2012...5 years ago.

    Throwing money on stuff doesnt finish them instantly, its not a video game. For some ships they still lack engines, they need to wait abit and work on what they can without engines.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:42 am

    Sovershennyy factory tests













    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2533765.html


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:29 am

    So 2 of these are on the way from Baltic to off Syria. (has been posted in other thread here)
    Big question is if they'll continue on to BSF as exchange for the Buyans that went to Baltic afterwards.

    Interesting that in several English language places I've seen quite admiring remarks relative to the Type 23 that escorted them through the English Channel vs condescending lols at pics of K/PtG/Slavas & even Grigorovich.




    Here's a couple of vids that have been doing the rounds, I'm pretty sure I saw them last year?
    Some good shots of 20385 in build & onboard 20380.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:53 am

    Amur Shipbuilding Plant plans to transfer to the Pacific Fleet the first corvette of Project 20380, "Sovershennyy" in June 2017.
    In March, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov after visiting the company told that the delivery of the remaining three ships is scheduled for 2018, 2019 and 2020 respectively. (Gromkiy, Aldar Tsydenzhapov, Rezkiy)

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2559333.html


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:34 pm

    hoom wrote:


    Look at those non stealthy 20 years behind Russian corvettes compare to this stealthy alien technology Uk frigate ...
    ...
    ...
    Wait ...
    ...
    scratch
    ...


    lol!
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:13 pm

    To be clear they were admiring the 20380s for being modern relative to the Type 23.

    Personally I've always been a fan of Type 23 & its fairly equivalent to 20380 in a lot of ways.
    But it's certainly showing its age in this comparison, I seem to recall much less clutter down the sides originally
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Wed May 03, 2017 2:24 pm

    So apparently not going to Syria after all, back in Baltysk
    http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.com/2017/05/blog-post_88.html


    http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.com/2017/05/blog-post_2.html
    Googletranslate wrote:Detachment of ships of the Baltic Fleet has completed the long march

    05.01.2017 detachment of ships of the Baltic Fleet as part of Corvettes "Courageous," "savvy", the sea tug MB-123 performed the tasks of a long voyage. The crews of ships and vessels held for about a month at sea.
    During the campaign a detachment left astern over 4 thousand. Nautical miles, held dozens of naval exercises in the search conditional submarine in various parts of the North Atlantic.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat May 06, 2017 3:01 pm

    Suddenly Amur is all action  Shocked
    http://todaykhv.ru/news/economics-and-business/4465/
    2nd 20380 expected to launch in July.
    Google translate wrote:- The construction of the second Project 20380 corvettes are now thrown all the forces - told the news agency "Khabarovsk region today," head of the department of the stocks of the Amur shipbuilding plant Ivan Hiz .
    - Estimated ship date output from the workshop - 15 July.
    At present, there are no problems in order to carry out all work in the set time frame.
    Conducted enormous work on elektroosnascheniyu corvette shop works practically in two shifts.
    Professionals need to build about 240 km of cables, the daily rate for stacking - 3 km a day, everything goes on schedule.
    This work attracted workers from other plants, all aimed at to pass the patrol at the appointed time.

    And a vid of building action at Amur

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  miroslav on Mon May 08, 2017 11:45 pm

    hoom wrote:Suddenly Amur is all action  Shocked
    http://todaykhv.ru/news/economics-and-business/4465/
    2nd 20380 expected to launch in July.
    Google translate wrote:- The construction of the second Project 20380 corvettes are now thrown all the forces - told the news agency "Khabarovsk region today," head of the department of the stocks of the Amur shipbuilding plant Ivan Hiz .
    - Estimated ship date output from the workshop - 15 July.
    At present, there are no problems in order to carry out all work in the set time frame.
    Conducted enormous work on elektroosnascheniyu corvette shop works practically in two shifts.
    Professionals need to build about 240 km of cables, the daily rate for stacking - 3 km a day, everything goes on schedule.
    This work attracted workers from other plants, all aimed at to pass the patrol at the appointed time.

    And a vid of building action at Amur

    So if I understand right, we will sea 2 more in the Baltic fleet until the end of the next year and one more in the Pacific with 2 more by 2020.

    Any news on the launch of the first 20385, it should be happening soon.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu May 11, 2017 2:50 am

    hoom wrote:Suddenly Amur is all action  Shocked
    http://todaykhv.ru/news/economics-and-business/4465/
    2nd 20380 expected to launch in July.
    Google translate wrote:- The construction of the second Project 20380 corvettes are now thrown all the forces - told the news agency "Khabarovsk region today," head of the department of the stocks of the Amur shipbuilding plant Ivan Hiz .
    - Estimated ship date output from the workshop - 15 July.
    At present, there are no problems in order to carry out all work in the set time frame.
    Conducted enormous work on elektroosnascheniyu corvette shop works practically in two shifts.
    Professionals need to build about 240 km of cables, the daily rate for stacking - 3 km a day, everything goes on schedule.
    This work attracted workers from other plants, all aimed at to pass the patrol at the appointed time.

    And a vid of building action at Amur

    You mean the Gromkiy?

    It took them five years I wouldn't call that all action.

    We will see how fast they build the Aldar Tsydenzhapov and Rezkiy Given how slow Amur moves, I have no idea why the Russian MoD ordered these ships from them.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu May 11, 2017 2:56 am

    To keep them working. Plus they still need ships so even if they take forever, they can still use them once floated out.

    But USC should be putting emphasis on restructuring it.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu May 11, 2017 6:01 am

    It took them five years I wouldn't call that all action.
    I mean after many many years of sloooow progress we have the first completed & the 2nd nearly launched within a few months of each other -> lots of action

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  miroslav on Thu May 18, 2017 1:51 am

    Video from the yesterdays launch, at the end of the video you can see a haul from one of the 20380 corvettes, but which one. You can tell it's a 20380 corvette by the very pointy front end and the slight curve in he bow all the way to the top.

    It might be the second 20385 since the last info is that it will be commissioned in 2019, and the next pair of 20380, the Retiviy and the Strogiy are to be commissioned next year along with the first 20385 so they have to be more far along in the build. Retiviy and the Strogiy where started at the same time but it's a question whether the work was done at the same speed on both ships. Everything else of this project is being built in Amur.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Wed May 31, 2017 11:01 am

    Via Balancer, apparently they are doing a radar upgrade on 20380
    The ship's radar coverage air and surface situation, the system of radar data processing - complex of works on technical maintenance, current repair, completion and servicing (BOM): The ship's radar coverage air and surface situation, the system of radar data processing - Range of works on completion 5P-27M radar on order pr. 20380 of the Baltic fleet
    1* for 20380 not several for 20381 (I assume on an official tender document they'd make the distinction), prototype for upgrading the others?
    5P-27 is the Furke-4 on Gorshkov so presumably 5P-27M is an improvement on that Smile
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:47 am

    The situation with the construction of the project 20380 corvettes at the Amur Shipyard

    - Sovershenny is currently undergoing factory tests and the ship will probably be delivered in mid-summer
    - Gromkiy will be launched in July 15th and will be delivered in the second half of 2018
    - 2 more ships will be delivered to the Navy until the end of 2020

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2652070.html


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  marat on Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:31 pm

    https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/872197842412109827

    1st Pr.20385 Gremyashchiy-class corvette to be launched at the end of June '17.To feature Kolomna 1DDA-12000 power plant via RuMoD

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