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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  r3mu511 on Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:43 am

    ^thanks... since it seems the info on the Puma is mostly pre-2013, I wonder if they have now found another means to provide midcourse uplinking for the missiles? if not then it might indeed be like you've said that perhaps no midcourse updates are used...

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Ned86 on Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:37 am

    Just for size comparison, Project 20380(light frigate) officially Corvette and Large project 956 destroyers.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:27 am

    Russia’s Pacific Fleet to commission corvette Sovershenny in Jan-Jun

    At present, the ship is doing seaworthiness trial tests under the control of the Fleet’s military specialists on armament systems, communications air defenses, radio-electronic warfare

    VLADIVOSTOK, January 10. /TASS/. The Pacific Fleet, a territorial division of the Russian Navy, plans to commission the corvette Sovershenny (Unbeatable) in the first half of 2017, the press service of the Fleet said on Tuesday.

    "The Pacific Fleet will put the corvette Sovershenny on its table of equipment in the first half of 2017," the report said. "At present, the ship is doing seaworthiness trial tests under the control of the Fleet’s military specialists on armament systems, communications air defenses, radioelectronic warfare, and other aspects."

    The Sovershenny was laid down at the Amur shipbuilding yards in the Far East of Russia back in 2006 and launched in 2015. The Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy, Viktor Bursuk said last year the military hoped to put it into service before the end of 2016.

    Project 20380 family corvettes are the ships of the shore maritime zone with capabilities for conducting combat against ships and submarine and rendering fire support during landfall operations.

    They have water displacement of about 2,200 tons, a speed of about 27 knots (27 nautical miles or 42.6 km per hour), and the unescorted transit distance of 4,000 nautical miles (7,200 km).

    Their combat equipment consists of anti-ship and air defense systems, as well as gunnery and antisubmarine complexes. Each corvette in the family carries a helicopter aboard.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:26 am

    Hopefully the next one won't take quite so long to complete...
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:36 pm

    George1 wrote:The Pacific Fleet, a territorial division of the Russian Navy, plans to commission the corvette Sovershenny (Unbeatable) in the first half of 2017

    The Sovershenny was laid down at the Amur shipbuilding yards in the Far East of Russia back in 2006 and launched in 2015. The Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy, Viktor Bursuk said last year the military hoped to put it into service before the end of 2016.

    11 years for a corvette is terrible.
    Also "first half of 2017" lingo has a familiar ring to it silent
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:25 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    George1 wrote:The Pacific Fleet, a territorial division of the Russian Navy, plans to commission the corvette Sovershenny (Unbeatable) in the first half of 2017

    The Sovershenny was laid down at the Amur shipbuilding yards in the Far East of Russia back in 2006 and launched in 2015. The Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy, Viktor Bursuk said last year the military hoped to put it into service before the end of 2016.

    11 years for a corvette is terrible.
    Also "first half of 2017" lingo has a familiar ring to it silent

    It's more the tonnage of a light frigate but 11 years for a 3Ton ship is beyond terrible.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Isos on Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:34 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    George1 wrote:The Pacific Fleet, a territorial division of the Russian Navy, plans to commission the corvette Sovershenny (Unbeatable) in the first half of 2017

    The Sovershenny was laid down at the Amur shipbuilding yards in the Far East of Russia back in 2006 and launched in 2015. The Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy, Viktor Bursuk said last year the military hoped to put it into service before the end of 2016.

    11 years for a corvette is terrible.
    Also "first half of 2017" lingo has a familiar ring to it silent

    It's more the tonnage of a light frigate but 11 years for a 3Ton ship is beyond terrible.

    Nothing to do with the structure. The problems are money and integration of Advanced system. Building just the structure can be done in less than a year.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:52 pm

    Guys,

    Please refrain from quoting KiloGolf.

    Look at his posts on the various threads. He and his cohort (Militarov) are spreading only negativity about Russian Navy, Kuznetsov carrier, Russian welding etc. etc.

    I give them the benefit of doubt for too long. But it turns out that they have an agenda. Enough is enough.
    I don't want to waste my time reading their garbage.
    So, I have used the ignore function for these clown posters and I am now enjoying the forum to its fullest.

    It is up to you to reply to their cacophony. If you want to do so, please go ahead but don't use the "quote" function because their post will show up.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:14 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Guys,

    Please refrain from quoting KiloGolf.

    Look at his posts on the various threads. He and his cohort (Militarov) are spreading only negativity about Russian Navy, Kuznetsov carrier, Russian welding etc. etc.

    I give them the benefit of doubt for too long. But it turns out that they have an agenda. Enough is enough.
    I don't want to waste my time reading their garbage.
    So, I have used the ignore function for these clown posters and I am now enjoying the forum to its fullest.

    It is up to you to reply to their cacophony. If you want to do so, please go ahead but don't use the "quote" function because their post will show up.

    Thanks


    In all fairness there I have seen them posts none negativity about russian gear.

    That said it's no secret the Russian navy isn't in good shape there is nothing wrong with commenting on that. This is a forum for discussion no? no kiss assing.

    Comments both negative and positive should be welcome. I have critical doubts about the Navy but I do think their aircraft and tanks are top notch stuff.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  marat on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:57 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Guys,

    Please refrain from quoting KiloGolf.

    Look at his posts on the various threads. He and his cohort (Militarov) are spreading only negativity about Russian Navy, Kuznetsov carrier, Russian welding etc. etc.

    I give them the benefit of doubt for too long. But it turns out that they have an agenda. Enough is enough.
    I don't want to waste my time reading their garbage.
    So, I have used the ignore function for these clown posters and I am now enjoying the forum to its fullest.

    It is up to you to reply to their cacophony. If you want to do so, please go ahead but don't use the "quote" function because their post will show up.

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    WTF????
    11 years for 2k ship is disaster and  that should and have to be said loud and clearly.  Kuznetsov lost 2 great fighters for being not fitted for usage.

    Just imagine it was in war  in real war with seriouse enemy not like action he had in Syria, somwhere in ocean and that he send 10 SU 33 on mission. All 10 of them would be lost becouse stupid cable.....and fleet he should protect would lost cover. That is a very seriouse issue. Ship proved himself as dangerouse for its fighters and not reliable protector of fleet.

    And welding was terrible.

    Covering the truth and not pointing at bad things you did will not help you to improve yourself.

    Addmiting that you made mistake and that you have a problem is first step in problem resolving.

    Russia did some great things and do produce great weapons and equipement, thats why we like Russia and thats why we are here. But there are sectors as shipbuilding industry in which they are not good enought today.
    I hope they will be better and that next two Corvetes for Pacific fleet will be completed soon.

    What is status of Gromkiy? He is also 4 years in production and that is also too long for ship of its size.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:45 am

    Covering the truth and not pointing at bad things you did will not help you to improve yourself.

    Who is covering up the truth?

    This is an internet forum... focusing on the bad things only and whining that Russia is not better than the US or the UK or the EU will not effect Russia in any way or form.

    Addmiting that you made mistake and that you have a problem is first step in problem resolving.

    Ahhh... so admitting that the Russian Navy is all crap will suddenly stop the Ukraine from sanctions restricting access to propulsion systems and all of a sudden Poliment redut will work fine.

    Trolling on a forum wont solve any problems.

    But there are sectors as shipbuilding industry in which they are not good enought today.

    You say that... all the people involved should be fired I guess. There will always be problems.... with any navy... for instance the US Navy can't build a conventional sub to save its own ass... and its new carriers are ridiculously expensive sitting targets.

    I hope they will be better and that next two Corvetes for Pacific fleet will be completed soon.

    They will be ready when they are ready... how old are you... 12?


    What is status of Gromkiy? He is also 4 years in production and that is also too long for ship of its size.

    And that is the heart of the problem... a 2,000 ton ship must be completed within 3 years or else your navy is crap. What are the problems and issues? What solutions are there?

    They could put out thousands of small ships and be building larger ships right now... it is easy... just make them crap with old technology and old weapons.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:29 pm

    Russian ships are very good but they can't buy lot of them immediatly. Yassen, grigorovitch, gorshkov, impro kilo ... Very good but they have like one or two them that won't be decisive in a battle against NATO, that's why they are focusing on nulear weapons.

    Russian navy is well trained and very good as a power, not superpower. Most navy's on the world won't attack them. But if you are comparing it with NATO yes it's a crap navy even French, german, UK, US navies are crap if you compare them with NATO. It's the richest countries with the best technlogy in one entity. You can't do anything against that. So having 1 gorshkov, 1 yassen and lot of older but still capable ship is more than enough for a one vs one comparison.

    Against China, there are more and more comparison with china these days, it will act very good as china is not a blue navy at all and the SNA would just destroy all the pseudo-frigate destroyer that china has. The quality of their ship is really bad. 20 years ago they made 0 ship and now they build 40 per years. It's impossible they have good quality ships, the fact they make lot of them proves that they are chosing quantity over quality. The recent Attack on US ship with chinese missiles shows how it's easy to jamm them.

    The same way a west navy like UK's won't be able to do anything against an alliance Russia-China. their destroyer don't even have anti ship missiles... So Russian navy is very good.

    Like I said the shipyards are not bad. They achieve to produce any ship at time. The problems are integration of system and now they have issues with engines. They can produce easily 10 gorshkov in 2 years but it would be stupid as they don't have new engine and till recently they had issues with the anti air system.


    Back to the topic, Steregoushy corvettes are very good for closed sea. Their paket-NK would be usefull in the black sea and near the cost in pacific to intercept (with the recent kilos) diesel subs and protect naval formations.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  marat on Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Covering the truth and not pointing at bad things you did will not help you to improve yourself.

    Who is covering up the truth?

    This is an internet forum... focusing on the bad things only and whining that Russia is not better than the US or the UK or the EU will not effect Russia in any way or form.

    Look at post that i have quoted. In that post it was requested not to look at reality.

    Addmiting that you made mistake and that you have a problem is first step in problem resolving.

    Ahhh... so admitting that the Russian Navy is all crap will suddenly stop the Ukraine from sanctions restricting access to propulsion systems and all of a sudden Poliment redut will work fine.

    Trolling on a forum wont solve any problems.


    Again old story regarding Ukraina? So becouse Ukraina this ship was not finished in perido between 2006 and 2014? Stop blaming others for all problems you have. Problem with Ukraina is not related with this ship.


    And same old story regarding attacking person and noth arguments? I think thay acctualy you are troling whenever you do not like diferent opinion  but have no arguments to counter them....as in this situation.

    But there are sectors as shipbuilding industry in which they are not good enought today.

    You say that... all the people involved should be fired I guess.  There will always be problems.... with any navy... for instance the US Navy can't build a conventional sub to save its own ass... and its new carriers are ridiculously expensive sitting targets.
    And i said that when and when?

    I hope they will be better and that next two Corvetes for Pacific fleet will be completed soon.

    They will be ready when they are ready... how old are you... 12?

    Old enought to be aware of time frame when other finish ship of similar  role and size. Or i said something wrong. You find that 11 years are great time for that task?




    What is status of Gromkiy? He is also 4 years in production and that is also too long for ship of its size.

    And that is the heart of the problem... a 2,000 ton ship must be completed within 3 years or else your navy is crap. What are the problems and issues? What solutions are there?

    They could put out thousands of small ships and be building larger ships right now... it is easy... just make them crap with old technology and old weapons.[/


    Did you even read my post, i have mentioned that Russian navy is crap in my post???

    Calm down nobody didnt touched your bone so stop growling.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:13 am

    My reply was not directed specifically at you Marat, but at the general "the sky is falling" crowd.

    Again old story regarding Ukraina? So becouse Ukraina this ship was not finished in perido between 2006 and 2014? Stop blaming others for all problems you have. Problem with Ukraina is not related with this ship.

    Most of the conventional naval propulsion systems for the Soviet Navy were made in what is now the Ukraine. Making thousands of small, medium, and large ships right now would be totally useless without any Russian way of making them move.

    This problem has been further made worse by Germany stopping selling their engines too as a sanction for the alleged Russian aggression in the Ukraine.

    And same old story regarding attacking person and noth arguments? I think thay acctualy you are troling whenever you do not like diferent opinion but have no arguments to counter them....as in this situation.

    Continuing to complain that Russia is not making enough ships fast enough while ignoring the reasons put forward is called trolling.

    Calling people for trolling is not trolling.

    You find that 11 years are great time for that task?

    Hahahahaha... you look at start date and current date and think that is the work time... the thing about problems is that some are serious enough to stop further work until a solution or an alternative is found.

    Russian ships are very good but they can't buy lot of them immediatly. Yassen, grigorovitch, gorshkov, impro kilo ... Very good but they have like one or two them that won't be decisive in a battle against NATO, that's why they are focusing on nulear weapons.

    The new ships are nothing like anything they have ever produced before.

    They are standardised and modular and fully multirole... once the designs are perfected they should be able to pump them out very rapidly and in much larger numbers than they have ever made them.

    More importantly when a ship moves between their ports all their equipment and weapons are standard so it does not matter which port they go to the missiles and ammo and equipment will all be standardised... so minor repairs or maintainence or just rearming should be easier and simpler.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:57 pm

    The newest Steregushchy-class corvette, the Sovershenny ('Unbeatable') has begun sea trials, the Russian Pacific Fleet reported on Monday. Armed with the latest missile technology and fitted with advanced radar, stealth and electronic warfare systems, the warship is expected to significantly improve the Pacific Fleet's defensive capabilities.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201701301050150193-russian-corvette-sovershennyy-sea-trials/


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:49 pm

    Well about time dam.

    The pacific fleet should be getting the next five if I understand right after that this class won't be produced anymore.

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    Post  walle83 on Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:01 am

    Isos wrote:
    Against China, there are more and more comparison with china these days, it will act very good as china is not a blue navy at all and the SNA would just destroy all the pseudo-frigate destroyer that china has. The  of their ship is really bad. 20 years ago they made 0 ship and now they build 40 per years. It's impossible they have good quality ships, the fact they make lot of them proves that they are chosing quantity over quality. The recent Attack on US ship with chinese missiles shows how it's easy to jamm them.

    How do you know that the quality of the Chines warships is bad? China has done a relly great job expanding their navy the last 10-15 years. I would say that in every way the chines has succeded. Thier building rate is almost in soviet 1980s numbers and they are making huge progress in AGEIS technology and engines. In the last decade they have commissioned over 10 destroyers, 20 frigates, 40 corvettes and have also started construct heavy aircraft carriers and missilecruisers.

    If I were in the Russian Pacific Navy I would be worried.
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:13 am

    Isos wrote:Russian ships are very good but they can't buy lot of them immediatly. Yassen, grigorovitch, gorshkov, impro kilo ... Very good but they have like one or two them that won't be decisive in a battle against NATO, that's why they are focusing on nulear weapons.

    Russian navy is well trained and very good as a power, not superpower. Most navy's on the world won't attack them. But if you are comparing it with NATO yes it's a crap navy even French, german, UK, US navies are crap if you compare them with NATO. It's the richest countries with the best technlogy in one entity. You can't do anything against that. So having 1 gorshkov, 1 yassen and lot of older but still capable ship is more than enough for a one vs one comparison.

    Against China, there are more and more comparison with china these days, it will act very good as china is not a blue navy at all and the SNA would just destroy all the pseudo-frigate destroyer that china has. The quality of their ship is really bad. 20 years ago they made 0 ship and now they build 40 per years. It's impossible they have good quality ships, the fact they make lot of them proves that they are chosing quantity over quality. The recent Attack on US ship with chinese missiles shows how it's easy to jamm them.

    The same way a west navy like UK's won't be able to do anything against an alliance Russia-China. their destroyer don't even have anti ship missiles... So Russian navy is very good.

    Like I said the shipyards are not bad. They achieve to produce any ship at time. The problems are integration of system and now they have issues with engines. They can produce easily 10 gorshkov in 2 years but it would be stupid as they don't have new engine and till recently they had issues with the anti air system.


    Back to the topic, Steregoushy corvettes are very good for closed sea. Their paket-NK would be usefull in the black sea and near the cost in pacific to intercept (with the recent kilos) diesel subs and protect naval formations.

    And "nuclear weapons" are going to be decisive? What are you smoking? From where are you all "nuclear weapons" freaks appearing...

    Chinese navy is not blue water navy? Then what Russian navy is, swamp navy?

    Chinese ships are of bad quality? Based on what did you determine that exactly? Actually from what we know only ships China has issues with keeping operational are of Soviet-Russian origin... mighty quality.

    10 Gorshkovs in 2 years? Not even South Korea would manage that lol
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:46 am

    Wasn't the sovershenny batch supposed to already have UKSK VLS instead of the obsolescent uran?
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:24 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Wasn't the sovershenny batch supposed to already have UKSK VLS instead of the obsolescent uran?

    No the 20385 (Gremyashchiy-class) will have UKSK VLS


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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:27 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Well about time dam.

    The pacific fleet should be getting the next five if I understand right after that this class won't be produced anymore.

    Gromkiy, Aldar Tsydenzhapov and Rezkiy will join Pacific fleet

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2405593.html

    so there are 2 remain for other fleet, Retiviy and Strogiy


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:07 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Wasn't the sovershenny batch supposed to already have UKSK VLS instead of the obsolescent uran?

    What exactly is obsolete about Uran? Care to back up your claim with some well reasoned arguments?

    No?.... didn't think so....
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:21 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Wasn't the sovershenny batch supposed to already have UKSK VLS instead of the obsolescent uran?

    What exactly is obsolete about Uran?  Care to back up your claim with some well reasoned arguments?

    No?....  didn't think so....

    You are all calling Harpoon obsolete because its subsonic without terminal boosters... now somehow Uran is top-notch on other hand Smile? Reality check son. lol1
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    Post  Isos on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:42 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    And "nuclear weapons" are going to be decisive? What are you smoking? From where are you all "nuclear weapons" freaks appearing...

    Chinese navy is not blue water navy? Then what Russian navy is, swamp navy?

    Chinese ships are of bad quality? Based on what did you determine that exactly? Actually from what we know only ships China has issues with keeping operational are of Soviet-Russian origin... mighty quality.

    10 Gorshkovs in 2 years? Not even South Korea would manage that lol

    As the tensions grows , they are investing in developpement of nuclear forces (Borei, Bulava ...). Maybe I should have said nuclear forces instead of nuclear weapons. I was thinking about the dissuasion instead of weapons like Nuclear torpedo and tacticle missiles. I never said they are decisive, I said that having on gorshkov and one Yassen more won't be decisive against all the ship of the US navy and other Nato forces in a battle. That's why they build Borey's instead of Yassens first.

    Is china able to fight in the Atantic ? No. Their nuclear subs are outclassed and outnumbered by US, Fr and UK's subs. Their carriers aren't ready. And they have less experience compared to Ru or Nato. Russia at least knows its weakness and don't pretend to rule a sea by itself. Chinese ships would just go down once they achieve (if they achieve) to go in the middle of Pacific or Atlantic (A blue navy is meant to fight there without any support).
    F-18 and rafales could lunch all day exocets and harpoons at them at safe distances.

    Even if their ships work that doesn't meant they are dangerous. I have no proof they are bad quality but neither you have proof they are good. Knowing that western countries leads in science technology today, I can assume their ships have a better quality. Moreover they deploy them all the year around the world, not the case of China.

    Sovrommenys are known to have issue but they are still upgrading them. If they managed to build tens of destroyers and frigates in 10 years, why not add 4 more to replace them ?

    That was irony. I wanted to say that they could just build Gorshkovs in all their shipyards and recruit many poeple to build them like they did during USSR. That would be just an arm race again and they would bankrupt again and the situation today doesn't recquire to do so.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:54 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Wasn't the sovershenny batch supposed to already have UKSK VLS instead of the obsolescent uran?

    What exactly is obsolete about Uran?  Care to back up your claim with some well reasoned arguments?

    No?....  didn't think so....
    Compared to the Kalibr and onyx it certainly is obsolete.
    If they could install UKSK on the Buyans, why not on the modernized stereguschy?

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