The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

JohninMK wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians are all descendants of thr Rus' people.

Indeed.. but Ukraine and Belarus as countries ,were created just recently after the collapse of Soviet Union. They did not exist in Imperial Russia times or earlier. Soviets Bolcheviks when took power killing ROmanov family ,just like Ukraine is doing today ,began to destroy the past and rewrite their history and culture.  and then began to create Autonomies in the new bolshevik
world. TO split Russia in regions with Autonomy with the capability to separate from Moscow.
This have to be done as a tactic ,that if the Pro Romanov orthodox factions tried to overthrow them ,that Russia will be disbanded.. and so they did. a case of if Russia will not be ruled by bolshevicks then it will be disbanded by them. Stalin was against this idea of giving so much power to Ukraine republic and belarus. of spliting from Russia. Soviets it seems to me tried
to change the center of power from moscow to Ukraine.

All said Ukrainians and Belarusians are another faction of Russians ,and their language a dialect of Russian mixed with polish and baltic words. Same people who funded kiev funded moscow..
Russians changed its capital many time , and Ukraine and Belarus are regions of Russia that split from moscow to create a new country. and largely have failed since depends a lot their business with Russia.

Please can we call time on this? If you want to discuss it can you start another thread.

I am sure the last thing any of us want is for this thread to go the way of the Ukraine thread on MP.net.

franco wrote:Today was the 2nd year anniversary in Kiev of the shooting in Kiev. There have been rumors from the Right Sector and other Maidan fighters coming into the city for the event that it was time for Maidan 3 and it starts now, Porky and YukYuk must go. A couple of tents were set up in Maidan Square and the Right Sector took over a Hotel there. Some clashes with the police, National Guard and a couple of Russian banks attacked but doesn't look like it is going too far.

http://tass.ru/en/world/858244

JohninMK wrote:SEVASTOPOL (Crimea) (Sputnik) — Russia has started the renovation of a mothballed airfield on the Crimean Peninsula to deploy Black Sea Fleet's naval helicopters and drones after 2017, a source in the Sevastopol city administration said Saturday. The Khersones airfield in Crimea has been mothballed for 20 years, according to the Russian military.

"The renovation work may take several years and envisions full renovation of the airfield's infrastructure," the source told RIA Novosti. "The deployment priority will be given to helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles," the source stressed. The source added that the airfield's development plan had been adopted following the reunification of the peninsula with Russia.

At the moment, the Black Sea Fleet operates three Crimean military airfields — the Gvardeyskoye airfield near Simferopol, Belbek and Kacha airfields near Sevastopol.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160220/1035088297/russia-crimea-airfield-reactivation.html#ixzz40igD4PuP

auslander wrote:

JohninMK wrote:SEVASTOPOL (Crimea) (Sputnik) — Russia has started the renovation of a mothballed airfield on the Crimean Peninsula to deploy Black Sea Fleet's naval helicopters and drones after 2017, a source in the Sevastopol city administration said Saturday. The Khersones airfield in Crimea has been mothballed for 20 years, according to the Russian military.

"The renovation work may take several years and envisions full renovation of the airfield's infrastructure," the source told RIA Novosti. "The deployment priority will be given to helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles," the source stressed. The source added that the airfield's development plan had been adopted following the reunification of the peninsula with Russia.

At the moment, the Black Sea Fleet operates three Crimean military airfields — the Gvardeyskoye airfield near Simferopol, Belbek and Kacha airfields near Sevastopol.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160220/1035088297/russia-crimea-airfield-reactivation.html#ixzz40igD4PuP

That is out on southside near Chersoness Church. I was there a couple years ago and I doubt it will take several years to get it back in operation and anyone looking at google maps will notice that it is not the only aerodrome in this region, some operational and some not.  

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

franco wrote:Today was the 2nd year anniversary in Kiev of the shooting in Kiev. There have been rumors from the Right Sector and other Maidan fighters coming into the city for the event that it was time for Maidan 3 and it starts now, Porky and YukYuk must go. A couple of tents were set up in Maidan Square and the Right Sector took over a Hotel there. Some clashes with the police, National Guard and a couple of Russian banks attacked but doesn't look like it is going too far.

http://tass.ru/en/world/858244

I have a question. I've read that Igor Kolomoisky &  Rinat Akhmetov back Yats, whom Victoria Nuland chose.

& Right Sector, or the Ultra-Nationalists are against Poroshenko.

Kolomoisky funded the Volunteer Punisher Battalions.

but here "several dozens of activists showered stones and firecrackers on oligarch Rinat Akhmetov."

So, who is backing whom, and who is against whom? & who does it benefit if the Ultra-Nationalists come to power?

If they do, they are anti-Russian, & if they do, imho, the ATO against Eastern Ukrainians is more likely.

Would just like to hear persons' thoughts about it all.

Thanks in advance...

auslander wrote:

Akhmetov is just as much of a snake as Kolomoisky, two peas in a pod. 99.9% of what you are seeing is theatre, pure and simple. When right sector and svoboda operatives show up  in Kiev with automats, RPG's and BTR's, then it's time to break out the popcorn and beer. Until then it's just more of the orc foolishness, pandering to the cameras. If these clowns were brave they would be in the lines facing Novorossiya but they well know they have a good chance of biting the big one there so they scream, bust up some private businesses and mug for the cameras in complete safety in Kiev. The term that comes to mind is cowards, for that is exactly what they are, cowards.

JohninMK wrote: Yup, just like the UK, an unsinkable aircraft carrier.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

franco wrote:Today was the 2nd year anniversary in Kiev of the shooting in Kiev. There have been rumors from the Right Sector and other Maidan fighters coming into the city for the event that it was time for Maidan 3 and it starts now, Porky and YukYuk must go. A couple of tents were set up in Maidan Square and the Right Sector took over a Hotel there. Some clashes with the police, National Guard and a couple of Russian banks attacked but doesn't look like it is going too far.

http://tass.ru/en/world/858244

I have a question. I've read that Igor Kolomoisky &  Rinat Akhmetov back Yats, whom Victoria Nuland chose.

& Right Sector, or the Ultra-Nationalists are against Poroshenko.

Kolomoisky funded the Volunteer Punisher Battalions.

but here "several dozens of activists showered stones and firecrackers on oligarch Rinat Akhmetov."

So, who is backing whom, and who is against whom? & who does it benefit if the Ultra-Nationalists come to power?

If they do, they are anti-Russian, & if they do, imho, the ATO against Eastern Ukrainians is more likely.

Would just like to hear persons' thoughts about it all.

Thanks in advance...

JohninMK wrote:

auslander wrote:

Akhmetov is just as much of a snake as Kolomoisky, two peas in a pod. 99.9% of what you are seeing is theatre, pure and simple. When right sector and svoboda operatives show up  in Kiev with automats, RPG's and BTR's, then it's time to break out the popcorn and beer. Until then it's just more of the orc foolishness, pandering to the cameras. If these clowns were brave they would be in the lines facing Novorossiya but they well know they have a good chance of biting the big one there so they scream, bust up some private businesses and mug for the cameras in complete safety in Kiev. The term that comes to mind is cowards, for that is exactly what they are, cowards.

Or bully.

Vann7 wrote:
Indeed.. but Ukraine and Belarus as countries ,were created just recently after the collapse of Soviet Union. They did not exist in Imperial Russia times or earlier. Soviets Bolcheviks

If you read what i told , you will see is relevant to the topic.
Is part of the Ukraine conflict today. they are rewriting their story..destroying Russian statues ,
brainwashing their children , creating laws to not allow the use of the name Russia.
this IS relevant to the topic in discussion. Since i explained why it happens . How this political warfare of Ukraine on Russia is not relevant to this topic?  Unless you want a topic for Ukraine political war on Russia..and another for military war.?  I explained the motives of Ukraine
for changing its laws to ban the use of word Russia. what they are aiming with that.

the thread title name is   The Situation in Ukraine .. Is not about Ukraine military battles only. how kiev new laws to rewrite the  Russian history is not part of the conflict? so we cannot discuss Kiev new laws against Russia? and their attempts to rewrite history?  If you only want to read about military battles in Ukraine ,then go an create your own topic then. then create one topic for Ukraine tank battles.. then another for Ukraine airforce battles.. then another for Ukraine navy battles ,another for fights in kiev parliament. and another for Ukraine economy.. and  split the conflict in a hundreds of subtopics if you want.  or simply use the ignore button and stop wasting my time.

franco wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

franco wrote:Today was the 2nd year anniversary in Kiev of the shooting in Kiev. There have been rumors from the Right Sector and other Maidan fighters coming into the city for the event that it was time for Maidan 3 and it starts now, Porky and YukYuk must go. A couple of tents were set up in Maidan Square and the Right Sector took over a Hotel there. Some clashes with the police, National Guard and a couple of Russian banks attacked but doesn't look like it is going too far.

http://tass.ru/en/world/858244

I have a question. I've read that Igor Kolomoisky &  Rinat Akhmetov back Yats, whom Victoria Nuland chose.

& Right Sector, or the Ultra-Nationalists are against Poroshenko.

Kolomoisky funded the Volunteer Punisher Battalions.

but here "several dozens of activists showered stones and firecrackers on oligarch Rinat Akhmetov."

So, who is backing whom, and who is against whom? & who does it benefit if the Ultra-Nationalists come to power?

If they do, they are anti-Russian, & if they do, imho, the ATO against Eastern Ukrainians is more likely.

Would just like to hear persons' thoughts about it all.

Thanks in advance...

Kolomoisky and Akhmetov are major enemies. Akhmetov plays with everyone and no one as his major holdings are in Donbas. There is not a high wire artist or juggler in the world that could possible compete. He actually seems the least political of the Oligarchs by nature but in Ukraine there is no other way but to be political if you're a businessman. That's my view.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

franco wrote:Today was the 2nd year anniversary in Kiev of the shooting in Kiev. There have been rumors from the Right Sector and other Maidan fighters coming into the city for the event that it was time for Maidan 3 and it starts now, Porky and YukYuk must go. A couple of tents were set up in Maidan Square and the Right Sector took over a Hotel there. Some clashes with the police, National Guard and a couple of Russian banks attacked but doesn't look like it is going too far.

http://tass.ru/en/world/858244

I have a question. I've read that Igor Kolomoisky &  Rinat Akhmetov back Yats, whom Victoria Nuland chose.

& Right Sector, or the Ultra-Nationalists are against Poroshenko.

Kolomoisky funded the Volunteer Punisher Battalions.

but here "several dozens of activists showered stones and firecrackers on oligarch Rinat Akhmetov."

So, who is backing whom, and who is against whom? & who does it benefit if the Ultra-Nationalists come to power?

If they do, they are anti-Russian, & if they do, imho, the ATO against Eastern Ukrainians is more likely.

Would just like to hear persons' thoughts about it all.

Thanks in advance...

auslander wrote:

JohninMK wrote: Yup, just like the UK, an unsinkable aircraft carrier.

You got that right, and with S-400's over it.