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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:01 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:...........................

    Still too much idiotic effort to accommodate Banderastan.  Russia should impose actual sanctions on Banderastan and let them
    eat their own sh*t.   They are a lost cause and trying to be nice to them is counterproductive.  It is, in fact, this sort of
    behaviour by Russia that gives its enemies the delusion that it is weak.

    Looks to me that Russia wants to put back all of Ukropistan under it's control, not just Novo and they will not mind if large percentage of Ukrop population packs their bags and hightail it to EU. In fact, they will welcome and encourage it since it makes their job easier and cheaper. It will take time though...

    Russia's approach here reminds me of this Italian joke:

    Two bulls were standing on top of a mountain looking at herd of cows.

    The younger bull says to the older one: "Hey dad, how about we run down there and f*ck one of those cows?".

    The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down there and f*ck them all".


    Way to be unfunny bro.

    Unfriended.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:14 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:...........................

    Still too much idiotic effort to accommodate Banderastan.  Russia should impose actual sanctions on Banderastan and let them
    eat their own sh*t.   They are a lost cause and trying to be nice to them is counterproductive.  It is, in fact, this sort of
    behaviour by Russia that gives its enemies the delusion that it is weak.

    Looks to me that Russia wants to put back all of Ukropistan under it's control, not just Novo and they will not mind if large percentage of Ukrop population packs their bags and hightail it to EU. In fact, they will welcome and encourage it since it makes their job easier and cheaper. It will take time though...

    Russia's approach here reminds me of this Italian joke:

    Two bulls were standing on top of a mountain looking at herd of cows.

    The younger bull says to the older one: "Hey dad, how about we run down there and f*ck one of those cows?".

    The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down there and f*ck them all".


    Way to be unfunny bro.

    Unfriended.

    Wut? Unfriended him over a crude analogy?

    Okay then...
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    Post  x_54_u43 Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:26 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    Way to be unfunny bro.

    Unfriended.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:34 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:...........................

    Still too much idiotic effort to accommodate Banderastan.  Russia should impose actual sanctions on Banderastan and let them
    eat their own sh*t.   They are a lost cause and trying to be nice to them is counterproductive.  It is, in fact, this sort of
    behaviour by Russia that gives its enemies the delusion that it is weak.

    Looks to me that Russia wants to put back all of Ukropistan under it's control, not just Novo and they will not mind if large percentage of Ukrop population packs their bags and hightail it to EU. In fact, they will welcome and encourage it since it makes their job easier and cheaper. It will take time though...

    Russia's approach here reminds me of this Italian joke:

    Two bulls were standing on top of a mountain looking at herd of cows.

    The younger bull says to the older one: "Hey dad, how about we run down there and f*ck one of those cows?".

    The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down there and f*ck them all".


    Way to be unfunny bro.

    Unfriended.

    Wut? Unfriended him over a crude analogy?

    No, because he used an "*" in place of a "?".

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:08 pm


    Oh c'mon guys, don't blame me, blame Italians, it's their joke. Damn their sharp wit!!! cry

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23 - Page 9 Giphy-facebook_s



    Also more bad news, Fred Durst has been banned from Ukropistan!!! affraid

    Ukraine to Limp Bizkit's Fred Durst: Keep rollin' on – you're banned

    http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/dec/22/ukraine-bans-fred-durst-limp-bizkit-five-years

    What will poor guy do now? How can they be so cruel!!! lol1 Razz

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:10 pm


    Cool Razz

    This Time It's Not Putin: Ukraine Flirts With Political Suicide

    Who needs Vladimir Putin to knock Ukraine off its post-revolutionary path? The nation’s current rulers are managing by themselves.


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-22/this-time-it-s-not-putin-ukraine-flirts-with-political-suicide

    While the Russian president’s new focus on Syria has helped soothe the conflict in eastern Ukraine, offering a window for reform and recovery from a recession, the administration in Kiev is being overrun by internal squabbles. This month’s fist fight in parliament and an expletive-filled clash between a minister and a regional governor underline discord that’s threatening to sink the government and derail a $17.5 billion International Monetary Fund rescue. The next flash point will be a vote on the 2016 budget.

    With memories of the failed Orange Revolution still fresh, Ukraine risks letting internal disputes hijack the second attempt in a decade to break free from its communist past. Reformers are clashing with the vested interests that control swathes of the economy, a target of the protesters who dislodged the country’s pro-Russian leader in 2014 demanding European-style transparency. Dangers to the IMF bailout and billions more in aid from ally nations are reflected in surging bond yields.
    Moscow Wins

    “Judging by recent events, Ukraine is edging ever closer to committing political suicide,” said Joerg Forbrig, senior program director at the German Marshall Fund of the U.S. in Berlin. “Infighting in Kiev benefits no one more than Moscow. If Ukraine’s commitment to change weakens, infighting erupts, and the rapprochement with the West stalls, Moscow has effectively achieved its objective.”

    President Petro Poroshenko and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, backed by the U.S. and Europe, are under pressure for failing to deliver on promises to tame corruption and reduce the sway of oligarchs. Transparency International ranks Ukraine 142nd-worst of 175 countries for graft perceptions, while the World Bank said in October that Ukraine has a “long way to go.”

    Frustration is boiling over. A Dec. 11 speech in parliament by Yatsenyuk was interrupted when a lawmaker from Poroshenko’s party who wants the premier replaced sparked a mass brawl. Days later, ex-Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, now Odessa region governor, used a meeting on reform to accuse Interior Minister Arsen Avakov and other government members of graft. As they hurled abuse at each other, Poroshenko sat with his head in his hands.
    ‘Confidence Shock’

    Rifts within the ruling coalition that won a landslide in elections last year are also holding up next year’s budget, delaying disbursements of almost $5 billion in international aid as the economy struggles to recover from 18 months of contraction.

    The IMF said Friday that parliament must pass a budget that meets its deficit target of 3.7 percent of economic output, as proposed by the government, or the bailout would be interrupted. Ukraine “urgently” needs to meet its IMF commitments to avoid delays in international support, U.S. Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew told Yatsenyuk late Tuesday by phone.

    Some may oppose calls for more fervent anti-corruption efforts and interference from the IMF, which wants tighter budgetary controls, according to Viktor Szabo, a money manager at Aberdeen Asset Management Plc in London.

    “The key risk is that some senior politicians are happy to blow up the budget in an effort to keep the IMF out and prevent the anti-corruption push,” said Szabo, who helps oversee $12 billion of developing-nation debt. “If the IMF deal breaks down, you have another negative confidence shock, and you’ll see no growth next year.”
    ‘Corrupt Oligarchs’

    The tensions are spilling into debt markets. The yield on Ukraine’s dollar-denominated bond due 2019 has jumped by more than a percentage point to 10.112 percent since the notes were first traded a month ago, eroding optimism after a restructuring. Central bank Governor Valeriya Gontareva said last week that political strains were a factor in policy makers keeping the benchmark interest rate at 22 percent.

    The Saakashvili-Avakov spat prompted Ukraine’s leaders to reaffirm their unity and quash talk of a new premier. In a joint statement, Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk and parliament Speaker Volodymyr Hroisman blamed “corrupt oligarchs” for instigating an “anti-government, hysterical and anti-state campaign.” They said togetherness is needed for “successful changes” in Ukraine.

    Unity is just what U.S. Vice President Joe Biden urged when he visited Kiev this month. Addressing lawmakers and the country’s rulers, he said “all of you must put aside parochial differences and make real the Revolution of Dignity,” in reference to last year’s uprising. Bilateral loans from the U.S., the EU and Japan, among others, hinge on progress toward reform. The U.S. has provided guarantees for $2 billion of bond sales by Ukraine’s government.
    Lingering Issues

    The latest political turbulence will blow over, according to Bank of America. “We expect parliament will pass the budget, the IMF program will continue with minor delays and the coalition will remain intact in the next six months,” strategist Vadim Khramov said in a research note.

    Even if lawmakers do what’s necessary for Ukraine to receive its next slice of aid, there are still issues that promise to remain unsettling in 2016.

    Former Premier Yulia Tymoshenko, whose party is part of the government, remains intent on triggering a no-confidence vote against Yatsenyuk. Samopomich, another party from the coalition, is pushing to remove Poroshenko’s top prosecutor, a frequent target for protesters in Kiev who complain he’s not pursuing graft cases. Lawmakers are also at odds with the government over a new tax code, with discussions pushed into next year.

    “It’s obvious that rifts within the governing coalition are becoming a hindrance to policy making,” Eurasia Group analyst Alex Brideau said in an e-mailed note. “The likelihood Yatsenyuk stays in office means that these battles will likely intensify in early 2016.”
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:35 pm

    Poro hedging his bets, from Fortrus

    Poroshenko continues to shift his business offshore, says Ukrainian politician and Doctor of Law Andrew Portnov. In his investigation the expert not only found that the Roshen company is walking away from tax payment in the Ukrainian budget by means of trade operations offshore in Belize and Panama, but that Poroshenko "has also begun moving a smaller business to Belize." "Presidential money feels cozier offshore than in Ukraine," says Portnow.

    As an example, the expert puts forward one of the assets of the Ukrainian president, the Vinnytsa plant bakeries. If you take the analysis of the Ukrainian customs export base, it shows that the plant supplies its products from Ukraine to Turkey by a very long route. Loads from Vinnitsa to go to Kherson port, and then -- through the UK [!].

    For these operations, the plant uses the British company Kulberg Int. Trading LLP. UK legislation allows companies with a mark LLP (Limited Liability Partnership) to pay taxes where their registered partners are participating, making no contributions to the British budget. A formal analysis of the British registry demonstrates that the authorized members of the company are located in Belize.

    "With this example I want to show once again that Petro Poroshenko is not building long-term prospects in Ukraine, but is performing manipulations with tax-exempt companies, is hiding money abroad, is evading tax, and is fighting the oligarchs selectively," the expert concludes.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:57 pm

    More nasties arrive

    DONETSK (Sputnik) — The intelligence service of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) detected the presence of foreign mercenaries in the eastern Ukrainian cities of Artemovsk and Mariupol, a spokesperson of DPR's Defense Ministry said Wednesday.

    "A group of about 100 Turkish mercenaries have arrived in Mariupol. Their main aim is to carry out subversive and inflammatory activities targeting both military and civilian sites in coastal areas in [both] the DPR and Russia," the spokesperson told reporters.

    The spokesperson added that some 200 mercenaries with identifying insignia of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but speaking in Polish, Slovak and Turkish languages, arrived in Artemovsk.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151223/1032212019/donetsk-russia-ukraine-turkish-mercenaries.html#ixzz3v9jX5cVs

    MOSCOW, December 23. /TASS/. Kiev has redeployed up to 300 foreign gunmen to the cities of Artyomovsk and Mariupol, the defense ministry of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic said on Wednesday citing intelligence data.

    A group of around 100 Turkish mercenaries has arrived in Mariupol, in southeastern Ukraine, to "carry out provocative and sabotage actions at the military and civilian facilities in the coastal zone both in the DPR and Russia," a ministry official told the Donetsk news agency. The mercenaries have been also redeployed in the Gorlovka direction, he said. "We have information that 200 foreign mercenaries with the insignia of Ukraine’s armed forces have arrived in Artyomosk (to the north of Donetsk)," the official added.

    Kiev’s mercenaries speak the Polish, Slovakian and Turkish languages, according to the intelligence data. The self-proclaimed Donetsk republic’s defense ministry has repeatedly said that foreign mercenaries were seen in the Donbass conflict zone fighting on the side of the Ukrainian military.

    On November 12, a law came into force in Ukraine legalizing the use of mercenaries in Ukraine’s army. An explanatory note for the document says the goal is to "increase the Armed Forces combat capability and reduce Ukraine’s human and financial losses resulting from combat actions in eastern Ukraine."
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:44 pm

    Well, at least someone is trying. Will it happen and will it hold? This is a Kiev press release so ................................ My highlight

    The Trilateral Contact Group for Ukraine has reached agreement in Minsk on a full and unconditional ceasefire starting midnight on December 23, 2015, says Darka Olifer, the press secretary of former Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma, who represents Ukraine in the Contact Group.

    "The key problem that has still not been resolved is the continuing firing on the contact line. This is precisely why there is an agreement on a full and unconditional silence regime starting 00:00 a.m. on December 23, 2015. This initiative is essential primarily for the civilians in Donbas, so that they could celebrate Christmas and the New Year's in peace," Olifer said on Facebook on Tuesday.

    The Trilateral Contact Group's security subgroup is continuing the mine-clearance work, Olifer said. "This process has already been started in some sections of the territories controlled by Ukraine, but it cannot be continued everywhere because these places have been shelled regularly," she said.

    No progress has been made on the liberation of captives, Olifer said. "At the same time, Ukraine still believes that at least some Ukrainian citizens would be able to return to their families from captivity before the end of this year," she said. Some progress can be seen in the process of searching for those missing, Olifer said. "The sooner this process starts, the easier it will be to find the people," she said. "The International Committee of the Red Cross is involved in this work. The lack of international humanitarian organizations' access to Ukrainian captives is a special problem. Convicts serving their terms in penitentiaries in the part of Donbas not controlled by Ukraine and wishing to serve their terms in the territory controlled by Ukraine still cannot do so, either," she said.

    The economy subgroup is continuing to look for a mechanism to clear debts for water supply in territories not controlled by Kyiv, she said. "Debts for water consumption in some districts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions amount to several hundred million hryvnias. After this mechanism is found, work will be started to restore water supply in these districts," Olifer said.

    The political subgroup did not convene on Tuesday, Olifer said. The main issue on its agenda is the organization of elections on the part of Donbas not controlled by Kyiv. "These elections must be held in line with Ukrainian law, in keeping with the OSCE standards, and with Ukrainian parties' and Ukrainian journalists' involvement," she said.

    Kuchma's press secretary also summed up the outcomes of the Trilateral Contact Group's work in the outgoing year, giving priority to "the ending of large-scale bloodshed."


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/313234.html
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:37 pm

    Looks like someone is after some Ukrainian assets on the cheap, and some vineyards as well.

    KYIV. Dec 18 (Interfax-Ukraine) - Kharkiv Tractor Plant now finds it difficult to forecast production plans for 2016 taking into account the threat of a halt of the company's operations because of a court decision on the recovery of more than UAH 400 million and criminal cases against the plant management, which the plant calls baseless and those aimed at destructing the enterprise.

    Plant CEO Vladyslav Hubin said at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine that on December 8 the Kharkiv Administrative Court of Appeals partially upheld the appeal of the tax authority, obliging the plant to repay debts to the state on the loans issued under state guarantees to the tune of UAH 400.98 million. He noted that the debt on foreign loans, formed in 1998, was restructured in the framework of an amicable agreement signed in 2005 in the case on the plant's bankruptcy and payments must start only in 2030.

    "In the course of a raider attack, realized under the slogan of nationalization, the standard instrument is used: an unfounded prosecution," Hubin said.



    KYIV. Dec 10 (Interfax-Ukraine) – First Deputy Director of public joint-stock company Odesa Port-Side Plant Mykola Schurykov has said that the privatization of the enterprise in H1 2016 is unreal.

    "I've heard the assurances of the State Property Fund that in July we will sell it – maybe I'm a poor judge of procedures, but it would be in October 2016… Can the plant be sold in H1 2016? This is unreal under law and regulations," he said at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine on Wednesday. Schurykov said that the Ukrainian parliament has not passed the bill amending the algorithm for the privatization of public enterprises. He said that the realistic value of the plant is $1-1.5 billion.
    Odesa Port-Side Plant transships ammonia to vessels and produces chemical products. It is in state ownership and it is planned to be privatized.



    Winemakers oppose the increase of excise duty on still wine by 500, sparkling, fortified and flavored wine by 50% and cognac by 135.26% from March 1, 2016 proposed in the bill on the creation of competitive conditions in taxation and stimulation of the economic operations in Ukraine. The bill envisages the annual increase of excise duties by 5% more and by annual inflation in next five years.

    Winemakers said that the increase of the excise duties is a step towards the destruction of the sector, the increase of the shadow alcohol market and the increase of social tension, especially in the regions where the sector is the budget-forming one.
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:33 pm

    A normal working day of Maidan goverment

    https://www.rt.com/business/326975-russia-ukraine-trade-embargo/

    Deputies of the Ukraine's parliament have voted in favor of introducing a trade embargo against Russia. lol1 lol1 lol1 This is a response to Moscow cancelling a free trade agreement with Ukraine as the country joins the European market.

    According to proposer Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk the embargo will begin on January 1, the same date the Ukraine Association Agreement with the EU comes into force.

    “Over the past three years we have cut the dependence on Russia three-fold. lol1 lol1 lol1 Three years ago, the volume of Ukrainian exports to Russia amounted to about 35 percent. Today, it's only 12 percent. We will protect the domestic market of Ukraine,” said Yatsenyuk. lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  Khepesh Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:58 pm

    Budyonnovskiy district in south of Donetsk city seems to have come under artillery fire, exact situation still not clear.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:15 pm

    Top notch thread over on ZH from Dmitry Orlov. Some of the comments are pretty good too, just ignore the idiots! This is the first part to set the tone.

    With all the action in Syria, the Ukraine is no longer a subject for discussion in the West. In Russia, where the Ukraine is still a major problem looming on the horizon, and where some 1.5 million Ukrainian refugees are settling in, with no intentions of going back to what's left of the Ukraine, it is still actively discussed. But for the US, and for the EU, it is now yet another major foreign policy embarrassment, and the less said about it the better.

    In the meantime, the Ukraine is in full-blown collapse - all five glorious stages of it - setting the stage for a Ukrainian Nightmare Before Christmas, or shortly after.

    Phase 1. Financially, the Ukrainian government is in sovereign default as of a couple of days ago. The IMF was forced to break its own rules in order to keep it on life support even though it is clearly a deadbeat. In the process, the IMF stiffed Russia, which happens to be one of its major shareholders; what gives?

    Phase 2. Industry and commerce are approaching a standstill and the country is rapidly deindustrializing. Formerly, most of the trade was with Russia; this is now over. The Ukraine does not make anything that the EU might want, except maybe prostitutes. Recently, the Ukraine has been selling off its dirt. This is illegal, but, given what's been happening there, the term “illegal” has become the stuff of comedy.

    Phase 3. Politically, the Ukrainian government is a total farce. Much of it has been turned over to fly-by-night foreigners, such as the former Georgian president Saakashvili, who is a wanted criminal in his own country, which has recently stripped him of his citizenship. The parliament is stocked with criminals who bought their seat to gain immunity from prosecution, and who spend their time brawling with each other. Prime Minister Yatsenyuk was recently hauled off the podium by his crotch; how dignified is that? He seemed unfazed. Where are his testicles? Perhaps Victoria Nuland over at the US State Dept. is keeping them in a jar. This sort of action may be fun to watch on Youtube, but the reality is quite sad: those who “run” the Ukraine (if the term still applies) are only interested in one thing: stealing whatever is left.

    Phase 4. Ukrainian society (if the term still applies) has been split into a number of warring factions. This was, to some extent, inevitable. What happens if you take bits of Poland, Hungary, Romania and Russia, and stick them together willy-nilly? Well, results may vary; but if you also spend $5 billion US (as the Americans did) turning the Ukrainians against Russia (and, since they are mostly Russian, against themselves), then you get a complete disaster.

    Phase 5. Cultural collapse is quite advanced. The Ukraine once had the same world-class educational system as Russia, but since independence they switched to teaching in Ukrainian (a made-up language) using nonexistent textbooks. The kids have been taught a bogus history hallucinated by rabid Ukrainian nationalists. They've been told that Russia is backward and keeping them back, and that they deserve to be happy in the EU. (Just like the Greeks? Yeah...) But now the population has been reduced to levels of poverty not commonly seen outside of Africa, and young people are fleeing, or turning to gangsterism and prostitution, to merely survive. This doesn't make for a happy cultural narrative. What does it mean to be “a Ukrainian” now? Expletives deleted. Sorry I asked.

    Now, here's what it all really means. With so much going wrong, the Ukraine has been unable to secure enough natural gas or coal supplies to provide a supply cushion in case of a cold snap this winter. A few weeks of frosty weather will deplete the supply, and then pipes will freeze, rendering much of the urban areas unlivable from then on (because, recall, there is no longer any money, or any industry to speak of, to repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet.

    You see, the Ukraine produces over half of its electricity using nuclear power plants. 19 nuclear reactors are in operation, with 2 more supposedly under construction. And this is in a country whose economy is in free-fall and is set to approach that of Mali or Burundi! The nuclear fuel for these reactors was being supplied by Russia. An effort to replace the Russian supplier with Westinghouse failed because of quality issues leading to an accident. What is a bankrupt Ukraine, which just stiffed Russia on billions of sovereign debt, going to do when the time comes to refuel those 19 reactors? Good question!


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-24/ukraines-looming-19-fukushimas-scenario#comment-6962681
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:26 pm

    Farmers in Kherson oblast form local self-defense to protect themselves from Ukrainian Aidar battalion which is involved in the Crimea blockade after they attacked and robbed them.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:53 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Farmers in Kherson oblast form local self-defense to protect themselves from Ukrainian Aidar battalion which is involved in the Crimea blockade after they attacked and robbed them.


    I'm surprised that the military, etc. even let them meet.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:02 am

    I read this by Google Translate. Pretty interesting.

    People here are used to round the clock from February to October plow in their gardens and greenhouses, and spend the cold months in the construction of the Crimea and the Russian Federation. He is no stranger to protect their crops or their homes by bandits, raiders, and so on. D. Weapons in the hands of the more than sufficient, and in case of need, you can always replenish in Munitions (law enforcement, though took a neutral position, morally completely on the side of the locals) . It - steppe region awash embittered poverty Russian-speaking men, whose number is several orders of magnitude greater than the number of "bespredelschik" entrenched on the border with the Crimea. If the bloodshed begins, and "Aydar" and Tatars have a very hard time, even if their side will fight the vaunted "Grey Wolves". In the end, there is no doubt that in case of dust-on assistance Kherson immediately come fighter Novorossia, including non-natives of these places, as well as volunteers from Russia. The border there is almost conditional, and with the necessary knowledge and "loyalty" from the Russian border guards in the steppes Tavria can be several weeks to transfer a sufficient number of volunteers to help the local population to deal with uninvited guests. And already there, you never know, and before the proclamation of the People's Republic near Kherson. wrote:

    http://www.politnavigator.net/kherson-posleduet-za-donbassom.html
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:37 am

    higurashihougi wrote:A normal working day of Maidan goverment

    https://www.rt.com/business/326975-russia-ukraine-trade-embargo/

    Deputies of the Ukraine's parliament have voted in favor of introducing a trade embargo against Russia. lol1  lol1  lol1  This is a response to Moscow cancelling a free trade agreement with Ukraine as the country joins the European market.

    According to proposer Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk the embargo will begin on January 1, the same date the Ukraine Association Agreement with the EU comes into force.

    “Over the past three years we have cut the dependence on Russia three-fold. lol1  lol1  lol1  Three years ago, the volume of Ukrainian exports to Russia amounted to about 35 percent. Today, it's only 12 percent. We will protect the domestic market of Ukraine,” said Yatsenyuk. lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1

    Excellent news. They're doing our work for us. What did they cut off?
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    Post  Godric Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:05 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:A normal working day of Maidan goverment

    https://www.rt.com/business/326975-russia-ukraine-trade-embargo/

    Deputies of the Ukraine's parliament have voted in favor of introducing a trade embargo against Russia. lol1  lol1  lol1  This is a response to Moscow cancelling a free trade agreement with Ukraine as the country joins the European market.

    According to proposer Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk the embargo will begin on January 1, the same date the Ukraine Association Agreement with the EU comes into force.

    “Over the past three years we have cut the dependence on Russia three-fold. lol1  lol1  lol1  Three years ago, the volume of Ukrainian exports to Russia amounted to about 35 percent. Today, it's only 12 percent. We will protect the domestic market of Ukraine,” said Yatsenyuk. lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1

    Excellent news. They're doing our work for us. What did they cut off?

    basically their hands and their d!cks
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    Post  par far Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:33 pm

    Crimean blockade organizer launches guerrilla ‘Tatar battalion’ with ‘Turkish help’

    https://www.rt.com/news/327170-crimea-tatar-batallion-turkey/

    Maybe Russia should start supporting the PKK and the Kurds.
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    Post  Neutrality Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:27 am

    Chonhar in Kherson oblast has all the potential to become the next Mukachevo or even bigger. The locals are setting up local self defense militias against these blockade-our-Crimea activists. The word about them is "activists by day and plunderers by night". People are pissed off at the police specifically. They can't do anything against the looting done by those scumbags and now they are asking Poroshenko and the SBU to step in and deal with them. If nothing is done then they threaten to take matters in their own hands.

    So our potential scenario(s):

    -Right Sector against locals
    -Right Sector against the authorities (police, SBU or NG)
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:35 am

    Neutrality wrote:Chonhar in Kherson oblast has all the potential to become the next Mukachevo or even bigger. The locals are setting up local self defense militias against these blockade-our-Crimea activists. The word about them is "activists by day and plunderers by night". People are pissed off at the police specifically. They can't do anything against the looting done by those scumbags and now they are asking Poroshenko and the SBU to step in and deal with them. If nothing is done then they threaten to take matters in their own hands.

    So our potential scenario(s):

    -Right Sector against locals
    -Right Sector against the authorities (police, SBU or NG)


    Yeah I don't think so. Porko and the SBU are the very architects of their misery, the very founders of these nationalist battallions and it is they who caused the chaos that reigns in the country in the first place. Now the people ask him to step in and so something. They are incapable of thinking for themselves or rather unwilling - which means that they won't take much of anything into their hands and nothing serious will come of this.
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    Post  Neutrality Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:52 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Yeah I don't think so. Porko and the SBU are the very architects of their misery, the very founders of these nationalist battallions and it is they who caused the chaos that reigns in the country in the first place. Now the people ask him to step in and so something. They are incapable of thinking for themselves or rather unwilling - which means that they won't take much of anything into their hands and nothing serious will come of this.

    People's lives and livelihoods are being threatened and I don't think people will simply accept it. That's just not how the Slavic spirit and mind is constituted. There's already a video of a guy addressing the masses (a leader) and people literally signing up for something. Reminds you of something? Exactly. That's how self defense militias were formed in Crimea before the little green men appeared. Ofcourse the same little green men won't appear now (very little chance) but suppose there's a large group of people who have had enough and not only in Chonhar, who will willingly bet his money on some kind of support NOT coming? Crimea is literally next door after all.
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    Post  Guest Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:35 am

    Strange things are going about:

    http://uatoday.tv/society/ethnic-turks-evacuated-from-kharkiv-to-east-turkey-561776.html

    Awful news source for the most part, that's why I was browsing it. But still a strange development.


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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:36 am

    par far wrote:Crimean blockade organizer launches guerrilla ‘Tatar battalion’ with ‘Turkish help’

    https://www.rt.com/news/327170-crimea-tatar-batallion-turkey/

    Maybe Russia should start supporting the PKK and the Kurds.

    What I see in that news is a loser seeks help from another loser.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:28 am

    Neutrality wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Yeah I don't think so. Porko and the SBU are the very architects of their misery, the very founders of these nationalist battallions and it is they who caused the chaos that reigns in the country in the first place. Now the people ask him to step in and so something. They are incapable of thinking for themselves or rather unwilling - which means that they won't take much of anything into their hands and nothing serious will come of this.

    People's lives and livelihoods are being threatened and I don't think people will simply accept it. That's just not how the Slavic spirit and mind is constituted. There's already a video of a guy addressing the masses (a leader) and people literally signing up for something. Reminds you of something? Exactly. That's how self defense militias were formed in Crimea before the little green men appeared. Ofcourse the same little green men won't appear now (very little chance) but suppose there's a large group of people who have had enough and not only in Chonhar, who will willingly bet his money on some kind of support NOT coming? Crimea is literally next door after all.

    Yeah whatever. I'll believe it when I see it.

    So far all I see in East Ukraine are the oppressed thanking their oppressor for protecting them from their liberators.

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