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Project 955: Borei class SSBN

dino00

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Post n°726

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

dino00 Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:50 pm

There are no plans for new laying of nuclear submarine missile carriers "Borey-A"

According to the head of the Rubin Central Engineering Bureau Igor Vilnit, further submarines of more advanced projects will be laid

MOSCOW, April 17th. / Tass /. Atomic missile submarines of the type "Borey-A" will no longer be laid. This was reported on Tuesday by TASS head of the Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering "Rubin" Igor Vilnit.

"Borey-A" will not be pawned anymore, "said Vilnit.

He made it clear that in the future submarines of more advanced projects will be laid. “Everything will go according to plan,” the head of the bureau concluded.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6344752

This means Borey-B or wait for Husky?

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Post n°727

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

Arrow Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:25 pm

Lack of money. There will be no more 955A or more advanced 955B.

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Post n°728

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

LMFS Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:54 pm

Arrow wrote:Lack of money. There will be no more 955A or more advanced 955B.

Keep dreaming troll

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Post n°729

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

dino00 Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:07 am

Arrow wrote:Lack of money. There will be no more 955A or more advanced 955B.

Russia recorded a government budget surplus of 545.67 RUB Billion in March of 2019

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/government-budget-value

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Post n°730

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

LMFS Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:34 am

dino00 wrote:Russia recorded a government budget surplus of 545.67 RUB Billion in March of 2019

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/government-budget-value

The equivalent to more than 270 Su-35S Laughing

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Post n°731

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

PapaDragon Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:16 am

So those last two Boreis are getting cancelled?

Looks like Navy is changing their minds mid-project again as usual

Calling it now: they will drop the ball and get nothing after all is said and done

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Post n°732

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

Big_Gazza Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:54 am

PapaDragon wrote:
So those last two Boreis are getting cancelled?

Looks like Navy is changing their minds mid-project again as usual

Calling it now: they will drop the ball and get nothing after all is said and done

What a drama queen. Sure you're not Indian? Suspect

So they will limit the 955 to 3 units and 955A to 5. So what? Clearly they are deciding to accelerate the follow-on Huksy SSBN variant. Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

Arrow wrote:
Lack of money. There will be no more 955A or more advanced 955B.

Yeah, no problem identifying you as a troll idiot jocolor

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Post n°733

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

miketheterrible Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:04 am

borey B (or as said, Husky variant since they want to streamline ) will be built instead. Only makes sense they are dropping older model. Plus they are working on the next modular nuclear sub as mentioned by Tass news agency.

Ignore Arrow guys. He is a proven retard. He has zero knowledge of Russian economy or development and proven it time and time again.

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Post n°734

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

PapaDragon Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:09 pm

Big_Gazza wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So those last two Boreis are getting cancelled?

Looks like Navy is changing their minds mid-project again as usual

Calling it now: they will drop the ball and get nothing after all is said and done

What a drama queen. Sure you're not Indian?

So they will limit the 955 to 3 units and 955A to 5. So what? Clearly they are deciding to accelerate the follow-on Huksy SSBN variant. Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

With me?

They were doing this same bullsh*t with corvettes: current version is not cool enough, let's cancel them and order cooler ones even though we are short on vessels, it takes forever to get new ones in production and even longer to actually build one

And when they finally got first new unit up and running they changed their mind again

Result: desperate shortage of corvettes

Just watch, they are about to do the same with SSBNs

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Post n°735

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

Tsavo Lion Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:17 pm

No big deal, they can revive BM trains if needed. Besides, the Yasen SSGNs have semi-strategic role & can be used as 2nd strike platforms.

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Post n°736

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

GarryB Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:08 am

Just watch, they are about to do the same with SSBNs

Even if they only ever make 8 Borei SSBNs... that is 8 x 16 missiles which means 128 missiles in total.

Their current limits are 1,500 in a year or twos time, which basically equates to about 500 SLBMs, 500 ICBMs, and 500 ALCMs...

The Bulava carries 6 warheads per missile so that is 768 warheads ... which is actually too many... and that ignores all the Sinevas in the Delta IV SSBNs they have in service too...

8 Boreis are too many at the moment.

But after the new START treaty expires they can make or convert as many as they want... trains will be cheaper than subs.

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Post n°737

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

miketheterrible Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:52 am

PapaDragon wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So those last two Boreis are getting cancelled?

Looks like Navy is changing their minds mid-project again as usual

Calling it now: they will drop the ball and get nothing after all is said and done

What a drama queen. Sure you're not Indian?

So they will limit the 955 to 3 units and 955A to 5. So what? Clearly they are deciding to accelerate the follow-on Huksy SSBN variant. Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

With me?

They were doing this same bullsh*t with corvettes: current version is not cool enough, let's cancel them and order cooler ones even though we are short on vessels, it takes forever to get new ones in production and even longer to actually build one

And when they finally got first new unit up and running they changed their mind again

Result: desperate shortage of corvettes

Just watch, they are about to do the same with SSBNs

This isnt the same. We do not know exactly yet as to what they plan. Don't forget they are still building the current ones so there is still time till they decide. But so far, the options are Borei B or Husky which in this case, Husky is going to be probably the smarter choice as it can be both SSBN and SSBM.

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Post n°738

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

Tsavo Lion Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:16 am

U mean SSGN? There's no SSBM designation.

PapaDragon

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Post n°739

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

PapaDragon Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:26 am

miketheterrible wrote:

This isnt the same. We do not know exactly yet as to what they plan. Don't forget they are still building the current ones so there is still time till they decide. But so far, the options are Borei B or Husky which in this case, Husky is going to be probably the smarter choice as it can be both SSBN and SSBM.

They already made it very clear that Husky can't do SSBN, too small

And it's been years since any new sub was laid down with years more to go before next one, they are spinning their wheels

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Post n°740

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

dino00 Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:28 pm

Source: Russia can build two nuclear submarines "Borey-K" with cruise missiles

According to the source, if the decision is made, the submarines can be handed over to the customer after 2027.

MOSCOW, April 20. / Tass /. The Ministry of Defense is considering the possibility of building two nuclear submarines of the new Borey-K project, which will become carriers of cruise missiles. This was reported by TASS on Saturday a source in the military-industrial complex of Russia.

“The military department is considering the creation of two more Boreevs, but not with ballistic missiles, but with long-range cruise missiles. If the decision is made, these submarines will be built according to a new Borey-K project with delivery to the customer after 2027,” - Said the source agency. He did not name the intended characteristics of the new submarines.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6356693

Lack of money Razz

The article don't say if conventional or not, I think it's kalibr-M or Super Giant Zirkon.
They are thinking along in Navy, I prefer Borey-K to Borey-B!

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Post n°741

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PapaDragon Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:24 pm

dino00 wrote:Source: Russia can build two nuclear submarines "Borey-K" with cruise missiles

According to the source, if the decision is made, the submarines can be handed over to the customer after 2027....

YEEEESSSSS!!!!

Don't wait, do it!!!

dino00 wrote:...They are thinking along in Navy, I prefer Borey-K to Borey-B!

I prefer both.

They finally have the good stuff, now just build them!!!

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Post n°742

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

GarryB Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:45 am

Well as they retire Delta IV subs there will be plenty of hulls to fill with cruise missiles if they want them... I mean these weapons they will be using... 4,500km range calibrs and perhaps 1,000km plus mach 9 Zircons... it is not like they need to get very close to their targets for their attack... as an example in Syria, there is no way ISIS could sink any type of submarine let alone a Delta IV, and with hundreds of missiles it could hit large numbers of targets over a very long period of time before needing to reload...

By 2027 the new START treaty will mean nothing and it seems to me nothing will be signed to replace it... mostly because you can bet the US and the EU will demand hypersonic missiles will be included, while murder bots will not until Russia has some and then they will be included too.

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Post n°743

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Arrow Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:14 am

Delta IV which will be 40 years old will be withdrawn and not converted into SSGN. In 2030 it will be very old submarine.

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Post n°744

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miketheterrible Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:35 am

Tsavo Lion wrote:U mean SSGN? There's no SSBM designation.

yes, SSGN. My bad and thanks for correction.

Looks like they are now working to make Borei a multipurpose based submarine. This could possibly be what Husky program was and this is all leading up to a new series of subs. Very interesting.

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Post n°745

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

hoom Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:35 pm

Interesting.
Could free up Husky from having to be an expensive SSGN (VLS tubes add complexity & size -> cost) & just concentrate on being a relatively affordable SSN that can be built fairly quick in numbers?

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Post n°746

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AlfaT8 Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:24 pm

dino00 wrote:Source: Russia can build two nuclear submarines "Borey-K" with cruise missiles

According to the source, if the decision is made, the submarines can be handed over to the customer after 2027....

YES!!, i was hoping for this
A Borei SSGN would be the best, it's a good stopgap until Lider or the Super-Gorshkov are ready, and since the design is already in production it shouldn't take too long to get it in the water, although 2027 is oddly on the high side.

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Post n°747

Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

verkhoturye51 Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:55 pm

And cheap...for some 800 mio you can get more missiles than on 3,5 bn Yasen. And on even more quiet, pump-jet sub. British will start snorting again.

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Post n°748

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PapaDragon Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:04 pm

verkhoturye51 wrote:And cheap...for some 800 mio you can get more missiles than on 3,5 bn Yasen. And on even more quiet, pump-jet sub. British will start snorting again.

Price of Yasens dropped now that it's in production (first ship was more expensive as always) but yeah Boreis are still cheaper

Best way to go about this would be:

-Borei SSBN for nuclear role

-Borei SSGN to perform the role currently done by Oscar SSGN and to act as land attack platform, Ohio-style

-Yasen and Husky to replace Akulas, Sierras and other SSNs

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verkhoturye51 Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:36 pm

You means increased from 1,5 bn to 3,5 bn? Laughing

https://www.russiadefence.net/t1692p425-project-677-lada-class-submarine#250377

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PapaDragon Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:43 pm

verkhoturye51 wrote:You means increased from 1,5 bn to 3,5 bn?

https://www.russiadefence.net/t1692p425-project-677-lada-class-submarine#250377

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