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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Siempre_Leal on Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:47 pm

    U.S. Made TOW vs U.S. Made HMMWV (Operated by Kataib Hezbollah)


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  iraqidabab on Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:25 am

    Just for the info

    That seems to be a humvee from Lebanon, Iraq's humvees are all in desert color or white/blue (police), it's unlikely some unprofessional folks painted it green that well.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:19 am

    Monarchist wrote:
    In short, the differences between Iran and Russia over the future of Syria appear to be quite serious. Yet, these differences are not out in the open as the two countries are trying to achieve common and short-term goals for now. Moreover, it should not be overlooked that Russia is concerned that Iran and the West will narrow the gap between them in the aftermath of the nuclear deal, and that Moscow is therefore trying to show that it enjoys close ties with Tehran. Therefore, it is obvious that with the start of negotiations on the transition of power in Syria and disarmament of different armed groups in the post-Islamic State era, differences between Iran and Russia will inevitably come to the fore.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/11/iran-russia-syria.html#ixzz3rm05hDw2

    Good analysis.


    And i was saying that for a long time.
    About where is IRAn? Why IRAN with an army of 1 million of soldiers did not helped Syria
    in the 4 years of war and waiting for Russia to jump. When Syria was precisely being attacked
    for its relations with IRAN.

    IRAN wants a puppet government in Syria ,that suck the dick of their Ayatolah religious nuts.
    IRAN is not a secular nation.. that is BULLSHIT.. neither democratic . Is a religious dictatorship
    ruled by an Ayatolah worshiped like a God ,with some freedoms for civilians to rule and make business in the way they want as long does not contradict their version of Islam.

    So IRANIAN religious leaders do not want Assad to rule Syria or any other secular leader.
    they want a loyal SHIA fanatic to the ayatolah ,that could allow them to spread the Ayatolah faith in all middle east and use Syria as the spearhead to fight Israel.. IRAN so called help
    to Syria have been mostly 2,000 volunteers that are not even iranians most of them. This is less than 1% of IRANIAN capabilities.. While Russia is sending almost everything they have and providing Syria with tanks and all kind of weapons. and using a lot of diplomacy to stop
    the NATO powers seeking to destroy Syria.

    Assad calls the muslin brotherhood a terrorist organization and IRAN calls them opposition.
    Putin Correctly dropped a critical statement against IRAN by correctly saying that Syria
    have been alone fighting terrorism without IRANian help.  Only Hezbollah which is not Iranian
    and is fully secular have been a true friends of Syria who wants to be secular. Syria problems
    the major reason is attacked by extremist is precisely for its Secularism.. that is seen as highly
    offensive to ISlam by radical muslins.

    I can truly see IRAN and Russia in major disagreement over Syria future..but Putin is a master
    in politics and he will know how to handle it.

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    Post  iraqidabab on Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:14 am

    Iran is doing far too little, it has a huge population with barely troops in Syria. More Iraqis fighting in Syria... Whilst Iraq has it's own war as well as less people.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  JohnSnow on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:12 am

    iraqidabab wrote:Iran is doing far too little, it has a huge population with barely troops in Syria. More Iraqis fighting in Syria... Whilst Iraq has it's own war as well as less people.

    Bullcrap. Just because some fellow wrote an opinion article doesn't make it correct. The fact that Iran have lost a disproportionate number of very high ranking generals in Syria is just of the signs that point to their heavy involvement in pro-government war-fighting activities in Syria.
    Fact is that without Iran, Assad would've faces worse fate than Gadafi some 2 years ago.
    Russian help is nice to have for Assad, but Iranian/Hezbollah help is fundamental. They have done some serious heavy lifting. SAA today is a skeleton of what existed some few years ago. A very significant proportion of the current pro-government the fighting force are either Iranian trained militia, Iranian operatives or Hezbollah. Most of the vital war planning is done by very senior IRGC commanders on the ground. I don't know what more you folks want from Iran. I don't think they would launches a full scale ground invasion of Syria just to pacify some internet critics on a Russian blog.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:07 am

    Israel wouldn't tollerate a full blown Iranian intervention...so everyone involved is playing a sort of game of shadows

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:23 am

    Russian Tu-95 and Tu-160 launch missiles in Iranian aerospace near Iraq border. This is a very high level of trust between Iran and Russia.

    This is from official grafics, that were showed by Russian Defense ministry
    on video from 33s







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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:26 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Monarchist wrote:
    In short, the differences between Iran and Russia over the future of Syria appear to be quite serious. Yet, these differences are not out in the open as the two countries are trying to achieve common and short-term goals for now. Moreover, it should not be overlooked that Russia is concerned that Iran and the West will narrow the gap between them in the aftermath of the nuclear deal, and that Moscow is therefore trying to show that it enjoys close ties with Tehran. Therefore, it is obvious that with the start of negotiations on the transition of power in Syria and disarmament of different armed groups in the post-Islamic State era, differences between Iran and Russia will inevitably come to the fore.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/11/iran-russia-syria.html#ixzz3rm05hDw2

    Good analysis.


    And i was saying that for a long time.
    About where is IRAn? Why IRAN with an army of 1 million of soldiers did not helped Syria
    in the 4 years of war and waiting for Russia to jump. When Syria was precisely being attacked
    for its relations with IRAN.

    IRAN wants a puppet government in Syria ,that suck the dick of their Ayatolah religious nuts.
    IRAN is not a secular nation.. that is BULLSHIT.. neither democratic . Is a religious dictatorship
    ruled by an Ayatolah worshiped like a God ,with some freedoms for civilians to rule and make business in the way they want as long does not contradict their version of Islam.

    So IRANIAN religious leaders do not want Assad to rule Syria or any other secular leader.
    they want a loyal SHIA fanatic to the ayatolah ,that could allow them to spread the Ayatolah faith in all middle east and use Syria as the spearhead to fight Israel.. IRAN so called help
    to Syria have been mostly 2,000 volunteers that are not even iranians most of them. This is less than 1% of IRANIAN capabilities.. While Russia is sending almost everything they have and providing Syria with tanks and all kind of weapons. and using a lot of diplomacy to stop
    the NATO powers seeking to destroy Syria.

    Assad calls the muslin brotherhood a terrorist organization and IRAN calls them opposition.
    Putin Correctly dropped a critical statement against IRAN by correctly saying that Syria
    have been alone fighting terrorism without IRANian help.  Only Hezbollah which is not Iranian
    and is fully secular have been a true friends of Syria who wants to be secular. Syria problems
    the major reason is attacked by extremist is precisely for its Secularism.. that is seen as highly
    offensive to ISlam by radical muslins.

    I can truly see IRAN and Russia in major disagreement over Syria future..but Putin is a master
    in politics and he will know how to handle it.


    LOOOOL , happy to see such a BS analysis pwnd
    Take it easy dude!

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:02 am

    2000 soldiers can do a lot on tactical/operational level if they are used in the most critical place - 2000 soldiers might have won Gettysburg for the Confederacy had they been present on the 2nd day of the battle.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:15 am

    iraqidabab wrote:Iran is doing far too little, it has a huge population with barely troops in Syria. More Iraqis fighting in Syria... Whilst Iraq has it's own war as well as less people.

    Iran is doing a lot on both fronts.

    Syria should have never gone this low, if the military apparatus there, wouldn't have severly miscalculated this. The knew they were facing a revolt that was going to simmer down in months with enough carrot, but they reacted like dumbfucks, because they knew there was foreign money behind it. Problem with that became clear and Iran's late entry in the fight (Hizb only started open military intervention by mid 2012) almost won the day in mid 2013. Only to get let down by Syrian Army's low preparedness and lack of qualified personnel.

    With Turkey and Jordan allowing ISIS/JAN/Moderate beheaders to use its territory there's also little you can do when you're Iran.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:17 am

    JohnSnow wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:Iran is doing far too little, it has a huge population with barely troops in Syria. More Iraqis fighting in Syria... Whilst Iraq has it's own war as well as less people.

    Bullcrap. Just because some fellow wrote an opinion article doesn't make it correct. The fact that Iran have lost a disproportionate number of very high ranking generals in Syria is just of the signs that point to their heavy involvement in pro-government war-fighting activities in Syria.
    Fact is that without Iran, Assad would've faces worse fate than Gadafi some 2 years ago.
    Russian help is nice to have for Assad, but Iranian/Hezbollah help is fundamental. They have done some serious heavy lifting. SAA today is a skeleton of what existed some few years ago. A very significant proportion of the current pro-government the fighting force are either Iranian trained militia, Iranian operatives or Hezbollah. Most of the vital war planning is done by very senior IRGC commanders on the ground. I don't know what more you folks want from Iran. I don't think they would launches a full scale ground invasion of Syria just to pacify some internet critics on a Russian blog.

    x2; Iran and its proxy forces have helped the SAA and Assad more than anyone else.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:51 am

    Sounds like an attempt to try to split Russia and Iran from their support for Assad... but the reality is I don't think either Putin or Iran are attached to Assad as such... they likely both see Assad as stability in Syria... a moderate Iran and Russia friendly influence.

    If Saudi Arabia or turkey or the US or the west get their way then sunni loonies will get into power and you end up with a split country like Libya is currently.

    Gaddafi and Assad are no saints, but given the choice between them or chaos i think most rational people would choose them... their crime was not being the most dangerous dictators in the region.... their crime was the same as that of Iran and of Russia... nationalising the oil wealth of those countries so the people of those countries benefit from the wealth under the ground instead of foreign oil companies taking everything and a few government officials taking bribes.

    The focus should be to deal with ISIS first and then to sort out elections in Syria... war is no way to settle political issues.


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:36 pm

    Iran allowing the Russians to launch strategic weapons over their territory implies that their partnership is deeper than we thought few months ago. Looks like they are Russia's pivot to the Middle East. I suspect they will get closer by the month. If you think about it, that country is straight corridor to the Gulf. And by that I don't mean controlling the oil but rather keeping the various sheikhdoms in check.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:46 pm



    Ghasem Soleimani is killed in action. A tow missile hit his car affraid


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Monarchist on Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:56 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:

    Ghasem Soleimani is killed in action. A tow missile hit his car affraid

    Edit:It's bullshit. It's been denied by all credible sources.


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:57 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:

    Ghasem Soleimani is killed in action. A tow missile hit his car affraid


    The Tow Attack on Soleimani was posted four hours before Ghasem Soleimani appeared in a tweeter post in Aleppo with Akrabi.

    Nothing there from pro-FSA sources since then.

    http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13940825001681

    Nowhere near Soleimani.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  whir on Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:03 pm

    GarryB wrote:Gaddafi and Assad are no saints, but given the choice between them or chaos i think most rational people would choose them... their crime was not being the most dangerous dictators in the region.... their crime was the same as that of Iran and of Russia... nationalising the oil wealth of those countries so the people of those countries benefit from the wealth under the ground instead of foreign oil companies taking everything and a few government officials taking bribes..
    No, everyone was happy with Assad privatising Syrian economy; Syria it's not about oil, neither gas.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:03 pm

    Monarchist wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:

    Ghasem Soleimani is killed in action. A tow missile hit his car affraid

    Source?

    The Rebels have recently claimed that they targeted a car with Soleimani inside

    It's just a social media  rumor , I mean i hope so pale

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:11 pm

    whir wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Gaddafi and Assad are no saints, but given the choice between them or chaos i think most rational people would choose them... their crime was not being the most dangerous dictators in the region.... their crime was the same as that of Iran and of Russia... nationalising the oil wealth of those countries so the people of those countries benefit from the wealth under the ground instead of foreign oil companies taking everything and a few government officials taking bribes..
    No, everyone was happy with Assad privatising Syrian economy; Syria it's not about oil, neither gas.

    This is the only one thing that Assad had going for "him" yet was the biggest issue with the people. He was "modernizing " Syria and bringing it along the way most former Socialist countries went through in the 90's. By doing so he was breaking a local monopoly to clans and families all around Syria. In places where the State was providing everything this took the food out of the trays for people.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:11 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:

    Ghasem Soleimani is killed in action. A tow missile hit his car affraid


    The Tow Attack on Soleimani was posted four hours before Ghasem Soleimani appeared in a tweeter post in Aleppo with Akrabi.

    Nothing there from pro-FSA sources since then.

    http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13940825001681

    Nowhere near Soleimani.

    Thanks God he is OK

    Iran denies death of elite forces’ commander in Syria


    The Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) has dismissed reports suggesting that its commander of the elite Qods force, Major General Qassem Soleimani, has been killed in Syria.

    The head of the public relations office of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC), Brig-Gen Ramazan Sharif, has said that Qasem Soleimani is alive and in good health.


    Soleimani, has achieved almost celebrity status among Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian Shia Muslims in social media. Many social media pages dedicated to the general have been publishing photos and videos of him on the battlefields in Syria and Iraq.

    According to media reports the elite Qods force is in charge of the IRGC’s operations beyond Iranian borders and it has had a considerable role in fight against the "Islamic State" terrorist organization.

    Rebel Syrian groups have recently claimed that they targeted a car with Soleimani inside, using two missiles near Aleppo.

    Reportedly the Syrian army has recently made advances after launching massive operations backed by the Russian Air Force, IRGC and Lebanon's Hezbollah against armed opposition groups.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Fred333 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:13 pm

    I hope even Iran with its generals on the front lines policy isn't stupid enough to sacrifice a symbol like him in such a manner, the consequences for morale would be devastating and it would be a propaganda field day for team-sunni. Plus, they have worked him up to such mythological proportions they don't even have a "spare" as far as I know.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:15 pm

    Btw Soleimani never drives around in white Hi-Lux/Land Defender style of cars. He rolls around in sedans, this has been the major concern to people who went with him. It's risky frisky whenever he decides to move around.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Fred333 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:21 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Btw Soleimani never drives around in white Hi-Lux/Land Defender style of cars. He rolls around in sedans, this has been the major concern to people who went with him. It's risky frisky whenever he decides to move around.

    Kind of interesting he managed to stay alive for so long then.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:23 pm

    Fred333 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Btw Soleimani never drives around in white Hi-Lux/Land Defender style of cars. He rolls around in sedans, this has been the major concern to people who went with him. It's risky frisky whenever he decides to move around.

    Kind of interesting he managed to stay alive for so long then.

    It's all about loose lips killing peeps.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  ultron on Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:00 pm

    When Putin saw the battle map yesterday he was not impressed with the crappy Syrian army's tiny advances since Russian air ops began so Putin readies ground ops in Syria.

    https://twitter.com/lifenews_ru/status/666907936954916864

    https://twitter.com/ura_ru/status/666925851422887936

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