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    Syrian Civil War: News #2

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    Post  zorobabel Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:04 pm

    SAA seems to be taking moderate armor losses in North Hama offensive:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtibdbC_7TI
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    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:42 pm

    How Iranian general plotted out Syrian assault in Moscow

    Iranian Revolutionary Guard Commander Qassem Soleimani (L) stands at the frontline during offensive operations against Islamic State militants in the town of Tal Ksaiba in Salahuddin province March 8, 2015.
    REUTERS/STRINGER

    At a meeting in Moscow in July, a top Iranian general unfurled a map of Syria to explain to his Russian hosts how a series of defeats for President Bashar al-Assad could be turned into victory - with Russia's help.

    Major General Qassem Soleimani's visit to Moscow was the first step in planning for a Russian military intervention that has reshaped the Syrian war and forged a new Iranian-Russian alliance in support of Assad.

    As Russian warplanes bomb rebels from above, the arrival of Iranian special forces for ground operations underscores several months of planning between Assad's two most important allies, driven by panic at rapid insurgent gains.


    Soleimani is the commander of the Quds Force, the elite extra-territorial special forces arm of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, and reports directly to Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

    Senior regional sources say he has already been overseeing ground operations against insurgents in Syria and is now at the heart of planning for the new Russian- and Iranian-backed offensive.

    That expands his regional role as the battlefield commander who has also steered the fight in neighboring Iraq by Iranian-backed Shi'ite militia against Islamic State.

    His Moscow meeting outlined the deteriorating situation in Syria, where rebel advances toward the coast were posing a danger to the heartland of Assad's Alawite sect, whereRussia maintains its only Mediterranean naval base in Tartous.

    "Soleimani put the map of Syria on the table. The Russians were very alarmed, and felt matters were in steep decline and that there were real dangers to the regime. The Iranians assured them there is still the possibility to reclaim the initiative," a senior regional official said. "At that time, Soleimani played a role in assuring them that we haven't lost all the cards."



    "SEND SOLEIMANI"

    Three senior officials in the region say Soleimani's July trip was preceded by high-level Russian-Iranian contacts that produced political agreement on the need to pump in new support for Assad as his losses accelerated.

    Their accounts suggest planning for the intervention began to germinate several months earlier. It means Tehran and Moscow had been discussing ways to prop up Assad by force even as Western officials were describing what they believed was new flexibility in Moscow's stance on his future.

    Before the latest moves, Iran had aided Assad militarily by mobilizing Shi'ite militias to fight alongside the Syrian army, and dispatching Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps officers as advisors. A number of them have been killed.

    Russia, an ally of Damascus since the Cold War, had supplied weapons to the Syrian army and shielded Damascus diplomatically from Western attempts to sanction Assad at theUnited Nations.

    Their support did not prevent rebels - some of them backed by Assad's regional foes - from reducing Assad's control of Syria to around one fifth of its territory in a four-year-long war estimated to have killed 250,000 people.

    The decision for a joint Iranian-Russian military effort in Syria was taken at a meeting between Russia's foreign minister and Khamenei a few months ago, said a senior official of a country in the region, involved in security matters.

    "Soleimani, assigned by Khamenei to run the Iranian side of the operation, traveled to Moscow to discuss details. And he also traveled to Syria several times since then," the official said.

    The Russian government says its Syria deployment came as the result of a formal request from Assad, who himself laid out the problems facing the Syrian military in stark terms in July, saying it faced a manpower problem.

    Khamenei also sent a senior envoy to Moscow to meet President Vladimir Putin, another senior regional official said. "Putin told him 'Okay we will intervene. Send Qassem Soleimani'. He went to explain the map of the theater."


    RESIDENT IN DAMASCUS

    Russian warplanes, deployed at an airfield in Latakia, began mounting air strikes against rebels in Syria last week.

    Moscow says it is targeting Islamic State, but many of Russia's air strikes have hit other insurgents, including groups backed by Assad's foreign enemies, notably in the northwest where rebels seized strategically important towns including Jisr al-Shughour earlier this year.

    In the biggest deployment of Iranian forces yet, sources told Reuters last week that hundreds of troops have arrived since late September to take part in a major ground offensive planned in the west and northwest.

    Around 3,000 fighters from the Iranian-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah have also mobilized for the battle, along with Syrian army troops, said one of the senior regional sources.

    The military intervention in Syria is set out in an agreement between Moscow and Tehran that says Russian air strikes will support ground operations by Iranian, Syrian and Lebanese Hezbollah forces, said one of the senior regional sources.

    The agreement also included the provision of more sophisticated Russian weapons to the Syrian army, and the establishment of joint operations rooms that would bring those allies together, along with the government of Iraq, which is allied both to Iran and the United States.

    One of the operations rooms is in Damascus and another is in Baghdad.

    "Soleimani is almost resident in Damascus, or let's say he goes there a lot and you can find him between meetings with President Assad and visits to the theater of operations like any other soldier," said one of the senior regional officials.

    Syria's foreign minister said on Monday that the Russian air strikes had been planned for months.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:01 pm

    Guaranteed that there will be heavy armor losses, due to all the atgms there are. I wish the SAA the best of luck.
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    Post  Dima Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:04 pm

    Its disturbing to see the loses on Syrian side in the new battle. SAA can't and should not afford to have such loses. Hope they are moving in after softening the target areas with artillery. All the terrorists with anti-tanks weapons seen in that video are in the open/on rooftops which can be easily spotted from air and neutralised....doesn't the SAA have any UAVs where by they could spot these units and destroy?

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:07 pm

    Dima wrote:Its disturbing to see the loses on Syrian side in the new battle. SAA can't and should not afford to have such loses. Hope they are moving in after softening the target areas with artillery. All the terrorists with anti-tanks weapons seen in that video are in the open/on rooftops which can be easily spotted from air and neutralised....doesn't the SAA have any UAVs where by they could spot these units and destroy?


    They do, but they need actual air support like attack choppers (Mi-24's) and Su-25's to be able to make constant strikes and provide intel. But you cant prevent all attacks. At that, saa has a ridivulous amount of T-55's, they are not running out anytime soon. Looks like many of these attacks, the crew managed to escape.
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    Post  medo Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:21 pm

    Syrian need more artillery to support their troops. Such positions of ATGM should be under fire of Grad MLRS as Syria doesn't have TOS-1, which is excellent to wipe off such teams. They should also more intensively use air support.
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    Post  Dima Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:26 pm

    Attack choppers going in without softening the targets still risks getting shot at. An armed UAV (where are Chinese?) would have been the best option. There maybe too many tanks to spare but its the men operating these machines that makes the core to fighting machines and we cant let to loose any single men to these terrorists. Let Russian AF soften up the area real good and then let SAA move in rather than hurry...

    Btw, would have been good if Russia readies a 100 of modernized  T-72 and ship them to SAA, let these tanks spearhead the ground offensive rather than putting the already worn out machines.

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    Post  Dima Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:29 pm

    medo wrote:Syrian need more artillery to support their troops. Such positions of ATGM should be under fire of Grad MLRS as Syria doesn't have TOS-1, which is excellent to wipe off such teams. They should also more intensively use air support.
    Yes precise artillery support is needed, but looks lacking?

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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:33 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Yeah and it already has started with TOW's on T's/ not good.

    That was predictable.
    It was obvious that there will be an offensive and the rebels had enough time to prepare.
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    Post  Guest Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:50 pm

    Khepesh wrote:American backed terrorists fire ATGM at Syrian army tank. I think ISIL will soon crack and run tho
    Not so fast, first the SAA backed up by Iran on the ground and Russia from the sky will clean out what is left of the FSA narrowing the fight down between the SAA, Iraq, Iran, and possible the Kurds all against ISIS. It will clear up more SAA forces and their friends so they can begin to fight ISIS without having the FSA bothering them. Besides, the world will be left with the choice of Assad or ISIS and everybody has already decided on that. Once the FSA are all 6 feet under, then ISIS will be dealt with.
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    Post  zg18 Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:19 pm

    Objectively , tanks on modern battle field are sitting ducks without Active protection system.

    Since terrorists are well supplied with modern ATGM systems initial armor losses before breakthrough are going to be relatively high.
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    Post  zg18 Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:22 pm

    Some moderate progress has been achieved.

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    Goal is to encircle enemy forces at Kafr Zita. With Kafr Nabudah in Syrian army hands , rebel position on maintaining the front line is critically weakened.
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    Post  Heartbeer Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:55 pm

    Dima wrote:Its disturbing to see the loses on Syrian side in the new battle. SAA can't and should not afford to have such loses. Hope they are moving in after softening the target areas with artillery. All the terrorists with anti-tanks weapons seen in that video are in the open/on rooftops which can be easily spotted from air and neutralised....doesn't the SAA have any UAVs where by they could spot these units and destroy?


    I agree. SAA should have sent some guys the past year to Donbass to learn some tricks from Novoruss soldiers. This column attacks on fortified lines in broad daylight really is disturbing
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    Post  Solncepek Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:59 pm

    Things on the ground are looking really bad...
    Reports for 17 destroyed tanks till now...
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    Post  zorobabel Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:05 pm

    If the SAA cannot rapidly close this pocket with the support of Russian airstrikes, Russian CAS, Hezbollah, and Iranians in the NDF, I have my doubts that they'll ever be able to regain much of the country. The next few days are crucial.

    As for the future, the Gulf states will flood the opposition with even more TOWs now.
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    Post  Guest Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:09 pm

    Damn, things on ground look troubling at least to say. Syrians are losing armor so fast and they do not have alot of it remaining to be honest at least not in good shape and working...
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    Post  Monarchist Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:11 pm

    zorobabel wrote:If the SAA cannot rapidly close this pocket with the support of Russian airstrikes, Russian CAS, Hezbollah, and Iranians in the NDF, I have my doubts that they'll ever be able to regain much of the country. The next few days are crucial.

    As for the future, the Gulf states will flood the opposition with even more TOWs now.
    The goal is not regain the whole country. The objective is to secure the coast, Hama, Homs, Damascus, regain Palmyra and that's that. The population in Daraa, Idlib, Raqaa are wahabist sympathizers, I say fck em. Let them remain under wahabist rule. SAA should create a buffert zone and that's the objective.
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    Post  zorobabel Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:14 pm

    Monarchist wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:If the SAA cannot rapidly close this pocket with the support of Russian airstrikes, Russian CAS, Hezbollah, and Iranians in the NDF, I have my doubts that they'll ever be able to regain much of the country. The next few days are crucial.

    As for the future, the Gulf states will flood the opposition with even more TOWs now.
    The goal is not regain the whole country. The objective is to secure the coast, Hama, Homs, Damascus, regain Palmyra and that's that. The population in Daraa, Idlib, Raqaa are wahabist sympathizers, I say fck em. Let them remain under wahabist rule. SAA should create a buffert zone and that's the objective.
    I agree.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:22 pm

    Militarov wrote:Damn, things on ground look troubling at least to say. Syrians are losing armor so fast and they do not have alot of it remaining to be honest at least not in good shape and working...

    yeah... and where's the infantry and IFV support ?... basically the same disturbing view as Saudis M1's... tank work alone without support...
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    Post  Solncepek Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:25 pm

    zorobabel wrote:If the SAA cannot rapidly close this pocket with the support of Russian airstrikes, Russian CAS, Hezbollah, and Iranians in the NDF, I have my doubts that they'll ever be able to regain much of the country. The next few days are crucial.

    As for the future, the Gulf states will flood the opposition with even more TOWs now.

    I completely agree with you..
    They have problems with this little pocket, what to say about Jisr-As-Shugur, Idlib, Allepo..I dont want even to imagine...
    Something with their tactics is completely wrong. Probably the better idea is to make active advances during the night with massive support of combat UAVs.
    Don't know why Iran is not sending a large number of Shahed-129s, Mohajers and Fotros (they have combat versions)...I think they will be quite good for non-stop tactical support of advancing infantry units.


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    Post  Guest Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:27 pm

    Dima wrote:
    medo wrote:Syrian need more artillery to support their troops. Such positions of ATGM should be under fire of Grad MLRS as Syria doesn't have TOS-1, which is excellent to wipe off such teams. They should also more intensively use air support.
    Yes precise artillery support is needed, but looks lacking?


    They need more and better artillery, they are basing their artillery on D30s almost entirely thats the problem, i am not even sure whats up with all the M46 guns they had, probably lacking ammunition. They need something more potent, at least decomissioned 2S5 Giatsints or 2A36s. D30s simply do not cut it.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:32 pm

    I agree that initial losses may well be high, partly due to the supplies of ATGM and general ammunition that are already on site. Once that is gone the 'activists' will face increasing problems as their supply chain is disrupted or even destroyed. They will be lucky to be able to call for help either as their comms networks break down under air or EW attack.

    The NW corner of Syria seems to be attracting particular RuAF attention, partly because it seems to be the area where thousands of Chechen 'activists' are based. Also, lines in the sand seem to have been drawn between Russia/Turkey over who now 'owns' the airspace in the border area which should allow unfettered destruction of cross border traffic on the Syrian side. Once that is sorted attention will move to the Jordan border which will probably be a joint action with Iraq as Iraqi air bases are closer.

    It may not yet have sunk in or they may not even be aware but the 'good old days' of virtually unlimited and on demand supplies are probably over and not many of the current crop of 'activists' will remember the 'bad old days' of intermittent supply and hoarding stocks.

    Also beware propaganda, from both sides, saying how good or bad the results are now there is Russian air support.
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    Post  Guest Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:42 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Damn, things on ground look troubling at least to say. Syrians are losing armor so fast and they do not have alot of it remaining to be honest at least not in good shape and working...

    yeah... and where's the infantry and IFV support ?... basically the same disturbing view as Saudis M1's... tank work alone without support...

    Their armed forces shrinked 3-4 times since start of the war they do not have enough infantry and that is the big issue. Saudis on other hand have infantry they are just retarded.
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    Post  zg18 Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:49 pm

    Todays operations near Hama

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    Post  Guest Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:52 pm

    "Zain al-Hassan, one of anti-tank TOW missiles operators in Syria, is said he destroyed 4 gov. tanks near Murak"

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